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Tamago · 06-24-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

How can you barter when no one is around? I mean, during Katrina, people were talked about on the news for stealing bread from a bakery that was not attended.

If I could, I would disable a person before using lethal forces. But let's say that you were in a physical position that will not disable a person fully, but were in a position that aims the gun straight to the head, and only have one bullet, where the killer has multiple bullets? I'm not saying that killing is right, and I highly think it is wrong, but if it means keeping my family alive, I will resort to it.

well one of the ten commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill..

but the bible also teaches that you can repent of your sins. the unpardonable sin is the sin of disbelief or chosen ignorance.

would one loaf of bread keep your family alive? i know your reference is full of holes and i'm not going to exploit them. i mean, taking the food without paying for it is definitely not a "christian" thing to do. But what's to stop you from returning later to repay what you've taken? is it then considered theft? i think personal conviction would be outweighed by common sense in most cases and you'd take the food to save your family, but if you were convicted to return later to the shop and pay for what you "stole" then you're on the right track.

does god the fact that YOUR FAMILY is more important than some bum who's gonna kill them? to you, your family is more important than some bum. but would it be fair for God to say "go ahead, kill him, he's just a bum" ? or in the end would the bum get his ultimate "reward" for killing?

and by all means i'd do everything i could to protect my family. the most "christian" thing of all would be to use yourself as a shield to protect your family lol..

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 06:19 PM

Ah, you make me want to stay. But one last reply.

I really do think it's just their leader then, because like my first post here, their leader said that it was okay that those people were killed because they were not Christians, and would get in the way of God's word. And here I am thinking that killing is one of the worse sins one can do.

TinyGiant · 06-24-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I've always found your posts in my threads to be well said. But the things you and I believe in, SDA's refuse to believe in. They HAVE to believe in the bible, which brings me to think...

...in the bible, slavery is an okay thing. So, that means my ex's church leader should be enslaved? I'm sorry, but there are too many things that contradict in the bible for me to believe in it.

Also, on another note, the bible and/or SDA's say that the world's knowledge means nothing to God, correct? So tell me why in one of the their church meetings, they mention how scientists who conducted scientific research have found that breakfast is something needed by humans to stay healthy? I'm sorry, but didn't they just tell me that the world's knowledge is incorrect and means nothing? So why use science in their lectures?

Again, too many things wrong.

Furthermore, the last bible study, the leader mentions vines and wine, and says "what do you think of when you hear vines? Grapes." Ummm, no, I was actually thinking of plants that grow on walls, sticks, etc, like golden honeysuckles.

I hate it how their leader says that the bible interprets itself, but and uses another verse to interpret another verse, but uses his opinions and stuff (like that grape vine) on the verse that's interpreting the other. Umm, so that's not the bible interpreting itself, it's him that is.

i wish you lived around here. some friends of mine and I get together weekly and have open discussion about this sort of stuff .. we do it at a local resturant and its really a blast to discuss all sorts of stuff. a few weeks back we talked about the validity of scripture .. and it was very interesting people brought up the fact that the books of the bible were chosen by a group.. it wasnt like they chose from a hat .. but it led some people to question what if some books were left out? granted there are books and writings that defintely dont belong in the bible .. lol but it was interesting to talk about .. they also mentioned that the first new testament writings they have found date to like 150 ad or something .. so they werent the writings of the actual apostles.. but their accounts passed down and recorded later on. some of which it says is the actual words.. some maybe not

but God's ultimate strength and power would easily beable to give us what he wants to have in the bible. I believe that the scripture wouldnt have survived what it has been subject to and not be valid.

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 06:20 PM

Also, to further explain my self again, I do not think religion is all bad. I mean, what ever gets one closer to God is a good thing. And if you don't believe in God, but believe in another god (or the lack thereof), it's fine by me. Like I said, believe what you believe, they're your beliefs and no one should impose their beliefs onto you.

areithan1980 · 06-24-2009, 06:21 PM

It's all about personal relationship with God through Christ basically before you even get in to more deeper issues like the Bible, "religion" coz really non of those can really change you but you now if u don't believe in God that's a whole different ball game. Once you established a more solid foundation and relationship with Him all these things Bible, God, religion etc. will make more sense to you and I Love My Yaris!!!!!! :P

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TinyGiant

i wish you lived around here. some friends of mine and I get together weekly and have open discussion about this sort of stuff .. we do it at a local resturant and its really a blast to discuss all sorts of stuff. a few weeks back we talked about the validity of scripture .. and it was very interesting people brought up the fact that the books of the bible were chosen by a group.. it wasnt like they chose from a hat .. but it led some people to question what if some books were left out? granted there are books and writings that defintely dont belong in the bible .. lol but it was interesting to talk about .. they also mentioned that the first new testament writings they have found date to like 150 ad or something .. so they werent the writings of the actual apostles.. but their accounts passed down and recorded later on. some of which it says is the actual words.. some maybe not

but God's ultimate strength and power would easily beable to give us what he wants to have in the bible. I believe that the scripture wouldnt have survived what it has been subject to and not be valid.

That would be nice to eat and discuss, but this will have to do. I mean, I'm not saying the bible is bad, I'm just saying that I do not agree with some things it says. There are a lot of good in it, but there are some things that I consider to be wrong in it.

TinyGiant · 06-24-2009, 06:33 PM

we have women in our churches that preach :) (to reply to the post that never made it up here)

feel free to site some things that you dont agree with and i'd be glad to do some research and try to shed some light on them :)

Tamago · 06-24-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Ah, you make me want to stay. But one last reply.

I really do think it's just their leader then, because like my first post here, their leader said that it was okay that those people were killed because they were not Christians, and would get in the way of God's word. And here I am thinking that killing is one of the worse sins one can do.

that is creepy as fuck.

get your girlfriend out of there ASAP and find some normal people (or even normal SDA's)

Bob Dog · 06-24-2009, 08:27 PM

Don't walk run, this is not religion within any kind of reasonable social parameter, this is unreasoning rationalization and mind control, more commonly known as a cult. Get her out of forget her.

Tamago · 06-24-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

Don't walk run, this is not religion within any kind of reasonable social parameter, this is unreasoning rationalization and mind control, more commonly known as a cult. Get her out of forget her.

it's not a cult

she just met some creepy people.

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-25-2009, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TinyGiant

we have women in our churches that preach :) (to reply to the post that never made it up here)

feel free to site some things that you dont agree with and i'd be glad to do some research and try to shed some light on them :)

Will do. When ever I have a question during their bible studies, I'll save it and ask you.

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-25-2009, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

that is creepy as fuck.

get your girlfriend out of there ASAP and find some normal people (or even normal SDA's)

HAHAHAHA. I won't be able to persuade her to go to another church since I think this is the closest SDA church.

TinyGiant · 06-25-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Will do. When ever I have a question during their bible studies, I'll save it and ask you.

sweet i'll do my best to answer them for you :)

i'll give you some questions to ask them too :)

and i'll give you the correct answers to those questions so you can come back with another question. :)

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-25-2009, 07:43 PM

Oh, no, I won't ask them questions tho. hahahaha.

Kaotic Lazagna · 07-01-2009, 01:33 AM

You guys are going to get a kick out of what was lectured on at my gf's SDA group's bible study.

Okay, the usual "Catholicism is the anti-Christ" stuff, but then went as far as calling Catholicism a cult. Also, their church leader was saying that America is going to help lead to Armageddon. Wow...Tamago, is this what you learned when you were an SDA? Please tell me no.

TinyGiant · 07-01-2009, 01:37 AM

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/sta...in_stat42.html

it seems that all cults .. sda, JW, mormons are all very stuck on end times.. wierd

Kaotic Lazagna · 07-01-2009, 01:48 AM

hehe, I'll read that after I finish my gov essay. But yeah, they were saying how Ellen G. White was such a great writer at church and the bible study. Man, only if they knew that she went against the bible on pretty much everything, and that she plagiarized from someone else who plagiarized from someone else. hahahahaha. I respect them enough to not bring that up.

TLyttle · 07-01-2009, 11:22 PM

This stuff is interesting; I was born a Bastard (according to the Bible), and therefore have an objective point of view. I laugh a lot at what some of the JWs, SDAs, and Catholics have to say, because I am "condemned" due to something in the Bible that I have no control over, regardless of what I do. I am retired, and spent a lot of time helping the handicapped, and will easily pass through the "eye of a needle". How easy is it? Really simple: I follow most of the Ten Commandments because they make sense, not because they came from the Bible. I believe in Community rather than Christ, and read ALL publications, not just the Bible.

Live your lives as best you can, not because the Bible says so, but because your Community needs it that way...

06-24-2009, 06:33 PM	#61
TinyGiant Tiny Giant Clothing View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue Yaris 3D LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 3,394	we have women in our churches that preach :) (to reply to the post that never made it up here) feel free to site some things that you dont agree with and i'd be glad to do some research and try to shed some light on them :) __________________ Sold the yaris... rocking an 89 vw cabriolet now :)

07-01-2009, 01:37 AM	#70
TinyGiant Tiny Giant Clothing View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue Yaris 3D LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 3,394	http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/sta...in_stat42.html it seems that all cults .. sda, JW, mormons are all very stuck on end times.. wierd __________________ Sold the yaris... rocking an 89 vw cabriolet now :)

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06-24-2009, 06:19 PM	#56
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	Ah, you make me want to stay. But one last reply. I really do think it's just their leader then, because like my first post here, their leader said that it was okay that those people were killed because they were not Christians, and would get in the way of God's word. And here I am thinking that killing is one of the worse sins one can do.

06-24-2009, 06:20 PM	#58
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	Also, to further explain my self again, I do not think religion is all bad. I mean, what ever gets one closer to God is a good thing. And if you don't believe in God, but believe in another god (or the lack thereof), it's fine by me. Like I said, believe what you believe, they're your beliefs and no one should impose their beliefs onto you.

06-24-2009, 06:21 PM	#59
areithan1980 Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Chicago IL 60064 Posts: 66	It's all about personal relationship with God through Christ basically before you even get in to more deeper issues like the Bible, "religion" coz really non of those can really change you but you now if u don't believe in God that's a whole different ball game. Once you established a more solid foundation and relationship with Him all these things Bible, God, religion etc. will make more sense to you and I Love My Yaris!!!!!! :P

06-24-2009, 08:27 PM	#63
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	Don't walk run, this is not religion within any kind of reasonable social parameter, this is unreasoning rationalization and mind control, more commonly known as a cult. Get her out of forget her.

06-25-2009, 07:43 PM	#68
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	Oh, no, I won't ask them questions tho. hahahaha.

07-01-2009, 01:33 AM	#69
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	You guys are going to get a kick out of what was lectured on at my gf's SDA group's bible study. Okay, the usual "Catholicism is the anti-Christ" stuff, but then went as far as calling Catholicism a cult. Also, their church leader was saying that America is going to help lead to Armageddon. Wow...Tamago, is this what you learned when you were an SDA? Please tell me no.

07-01-2009, 01:48 AM	#71
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	hehe, I'll read that after I finish my gov essay. But yeah, they were saying how Ellen G. White was such a great writer at church and the bible study. Man, only if they knew that she went against the bible on pretty much everything, and that she plagiarized from someone else who plagiarized from someone else. hahahahaha. I respect them enough to not bring that up.

07-01-2009, 11:22 PM	#72
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	This stuff is interesting; I was born a Bastard (according to the Bible), and therefore have an objective point of view. I laugh a lot at what some of the JWs, SDAs, and Catholics have to say, because I am "condemned" due to something in the Bible that I have no control over, regardless of what I do. I am retired, and spent a lot of time helping the handicapped, and will easily pass through the "eye of a needle". How easy is it? Really simple: I follow most of the Ten Commandments because they make sense, not because they came from the Bible. I believe in Community rather than Christ, and read ALL publications, not just the Bible. Live your lives as best you can, not because the Bible says so, but because your Community needs it that way...