VOTE! (Turbo vs. S/C) - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

puetato89 · 09-26-2009, 03:40 PM

i wouldnt pay for an unreliable fi since its my daily driver, im a s/c fan so its a lil biased as well

RacerFreakXXX · 09-26-2009, 04:24 PM

you have to look at it like this:

blitz supercharger $3400 + intake $200 + injectors $100 + pulleys $250 + header $200 + ems $500 = $4650.00

xb hks turbo kit $2600 + intercooler $500 + piping $700 + injectors $150 + hks bov $300 + hks boost controller/ turbo timer $400 = $4650.00

In the end the price is basically the same, even with the supporting mods and gauges you need plan to spend about 6-7k to have it done right.

puetato89 · 09-26-2009, 04:30 PM

and now, reliability, S/C > T/C, labor, S/C > T/C

RacerFreakXXX · 09-26-2009, 07:15 PM

I'm not going to argue with that... I am 99% sure I'm going to get the blitz s/c because it's more reliable for daily and I can add it on top of basic breather mods. However if you want power and speed turbo is still the king.

PETERPOOP · 09-26-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

you have to look at it like this:

blitz supercharger $3400 + intake $200 + injectors $100 + pulleys $250 + header $200 + ems $500 = $4650.00

I'm sure Garm sells the blitz for less than $3400, even though it's priced at that.

aFe intake: $174.50 shipped

You don't need injectors for the blitz kit.

You don't NEED pulleys.

megan header: $189

you don't need management for the blitz.

All of the things listed after the supercharger are not needed to run the blitz kit and be a daily driver.

I will state again, I prefer turbo over supercharger; but not for the yaris ( so far ).

RacerFreakXXX · 09-26-2009, 08:09 PM

well it only matters if he sells it to everyone for a lower price, and if that was garms intention I'm sure it would be less at his site. My numbers are from me averaging everything out. There are intakes for $400 for the yaris and maybe not everyone wants an afe intake. You don't need pulleys but you have them and you know it helps with power gain because a supercharger by it's self wont put you at 130whp. A DC header is about $260. All you seem to be doing is nickel and dimming everything so a supercharger looks good. You could easily just buy the hks kit for $2600, get a custom downpipe made and buy an ebay intercooler and only spend $3400. Either way cost is the same. Right now a turbo kit takes more time because there are only manifold that are premade for our engine.

I bet you if garm was selling a turbo kit that came with everything you needed for 4k and made 180whp you would say turbo was better.

cali yaris · 09-26-2009, 08:17 PM

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I'm sure Garm sells the blitz for less than $3400, even though it's priced at that.

I don't, actually. It should have gone up when my cost did, but I have kept it at the same price.

PETERPOOP · 09-26-2009, 08:17 PM

Let it go dude...

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

I bet you if garm was selling a turbo kit that came with everything you needed for 4k and made 180whp you would say turbo was better.

Here, i'll quote myself so you can get it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

However, let me remind you, I still would like a turbo kit with 180whp ( garm *wink* wink )

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

I will state again, I prefer turbo over supercharger; but not for the yaris ( so far ).

I'm not nickel and diming anything. You are mentioning things that aren't needed for the supercharger. Just because I have it, doesn't mean it's needed. The aFe intake and megan header are the ones I got ( obviously ), so that's why I mentioned those. I am well aware of the wide arrange of prices for any item on the market.

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Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

You could easily just buy the hks kit for $2600.

Ok you say this because someone has done this before right? You know that the engine management will work on our car perfectly right? You are sure you won't have to retune; just slap it on and wire it up. Perfect AFR and all....

You can't use things that haven't even been done yet and say that is the final price of it. Heck, everything you mentioned, NO ONE has ever done. So you shouldn't even be using those as examples.

Supercharger is proven and reliable 20x over. Sure it cost an arm and leg, but what other S/C or turbo kits are out there right now for the yaris that you see people buying and driving as daily drivers? none. Simple supply and demand.

So you can keep arguing a proven blitz kit with an imaginary pieced together kit that noone has even done yet ( HKS kit, or xB turbo kit), and probably won't anytime soon. However, this debate is old and I'm done with it.

SC'd yaris FTW ( for now! dun dun dun...)

puetato89 · 09-27-2009, 12:33 AM

wow, thats 2 much time and effort for me, this is where ill step down lol

RacerFreakXXX · 09-27-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by puetato89

wow, thats 2 much time and effort for me, this is where ill step down lol

lol... I was just having some fun and trying to prove a point at the same time accepting the supercharger is still great. Anyway every time I read PETERPOOP's comments they have changed.

I was just saying turbo is better, garm has proved it but, has also proved it takes a lot more effort. I am mainly drawing my info from turbo'ed yaris that I've read about in Japan and parts of Asia and other places.

I'm not trying to have a battle here. I think we need more opinions on this one, rofl.

kurokoma-kun · 09-27-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

I am mainly drawing my info from turbo'ed yaris that I've read about in Japan and parts of Asia and other places

Yaris in Japan and Asia have a different ECU from USDM models. Tuning a Yaris for turbo is much easier over there, a whole other ballgame in fact.

Just for the sake of comparison I have stock injectors, one lightened pulley, no meth, no ems on my s/c.

As others have pointed out it's hard to define "better" in this case, with so many variables and unknowns on one side, and personal preferences on the other. That's why I didn't vote

advocate · 09-27-2009, 01:47 PM

Since I probably won't be able to afford either I voted for which one I'd have on my car in my dreams

PETERPOOP · 09-27-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

lol... I was just having some fun and trying to prove a point at the same time accepting the supercharger is still great. Anyway every time I read PETERPOOP's comments they have changed.

I was just saying turbo is better, garm has proved it but, has also proved it takes a lot more effort. I am mainly drawing my info from turbo'ed yaris that I've read about in Japan and parts of Asia and other places.

I'm not trying to have a battle here. I think we need more opinions on this one, rofl.

I'm just having fun too. My comments have never changed. I've always stated I want(ed) a turbo, but there are no such reliable kits as of now. Hopefully MI makes one in the future, and I'm all over that (as i've stated many times in this thread....

)

I'm not trying to have a "battle" either. However, I am responding to your replies and I am pretty sure you won't have anything to say to my recent post (which is obvious because you haven't responded to it).

You weren't just saying the turbo is better. You were saying it's cheaper in the long run and that you would buy a $4500 turbo kit. You were also saying you can just slap on a HKS turbo kit on the yaris and have no problems at all. Etc...

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

I am mainly drawing my info from turbo'ed yaris that I've read about in Japan and parts of Asia and other places.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurokoma-kun

Yaris in Japan and Asia have a different ECU from USDM models. Tuning a Yaris for turbo is much easier over there, a whole other ballgame in fact.

Just for the sake of comparison I have stock injectors, one lightened pulley, no meth, no ems on my s/c.

As others have pointed out it's hard to define "better" in this case, with so many variables and unknowns on one side, and personal preferences on the other. That's why I didn't vote

That pretty much sums it up.

scape · 09-27-2009, 03:11 PM

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Yaris in Japan and Asia have a different ECU from USDM models. Tuning a Yaris for turbo is much easier over there, a whole other ballgame in fact.

that's a shame...toyota of America completely dropped the ball on coolness in the last 15 years, oh well...

hell, they could even have a waiver you sign voiding your warranty and a huge fee, and I bet some of us would still pay and sign, for an unlocked/programmable ECU; no skin off their back except more money...

scape · 09-27-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jambo101

Why not just buy a faster car to begin with,going to all the trouble and expense of putting an extra 50-75hp into the Yaris seems a bit of a waste when you will get blown off at the first light by soccer moms mini van

a 175 hp yaris would practically beat out a lancer evo... i'd say that's a great turbo option haha

PETERPOOP · 09-27-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by scape

a 175 hp yaris would practically beat out a lancer evo... i'd say that's a great turbo option haha

that's just one of the cars it could beat..

RacerFreakXXX · 09-27-2009, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurokoma-kun

Yaris in Japan and Asia have a different ECU from USDM models. Tuning a Yaris for turbo is much easier over there, a whole other ballgame in fact.

Just for the sake of comparison I have stock injectors, one lightened pulley, no meth, no ems on my s/c.

As others have pointed out it's hard to define "better" in this case, with so many variables and unknowns on one side, and personal preferences on the other. That's why I didn't vote

lol, wow I had no idea it was a different ecu. Now that truly makes a jdm model different than usdm.

Maybe that's why no companies are making a turbo kit for the yaris.

etheliters · 09-27-2009, 11:22 PM

I like turbos hands down.For all the cash I'd shell to make my s/c yaris worth mentioning to anyone except here on yaris world, I'd go for the turbo expiriment. Seems to me the biggest obsticle would be the ecu. I'd only shoot for 7lbs and thought a stock ecu could handle that...But I was involved in a 6lb boost rotrex supercharge install and it came with a piggyback. wtf? But still turbo ftw. 40 hp for $3400?(supercharger kit)
Seems full bolt ons is a better bang for your buck. (then turbo and trophies if so inclined)
Also your s/c probably is fast. Until a turbo pulls up.

View Poll Results: Which is better?
Supercharged Yaris	30	28.85%
Turboed Yaris	74	71.15%
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09-26-2009, 03:40 PM	#19
puetato89 Just call me Ray, better? View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: orlando Posts: 1,056	i wouldnt pay for an unreliable fi since its my daily driver, im a s/c fan so its a lil biased as well __________________

09-26-2009, 04:30 PM	#21
puetato89 Just call me Ray, better? View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: orlando Posts: 1,056	and now, reliability, S/C > T/C, labor, S/C > T/C __________________

09-27-2009, 12:33 AM	#27
puetato89 Just call me Ray, better? View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: orlando Posts: 1,056	wow, thats 2 much time and effort for me, this is where ill step down lol __________________

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09-26-2009, 04:24 PM	#20
RacerFreakXXX JDM Fred View User's Garage Drives: 06 Mazda Miata Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somers NY Posts: 787	you have to look at it like this: blitz supercharger $3400 + intake $200 + injectors $100 + pulleys $250 + header $200 + ems $500 = $4650.00 xb hks turbo kit $2600 + intercooler $500 + piping $700 + injectors $150 + hks bov $300 + hks boost controller/ turbo timer $400 = $4650.00 In the end the price is basically the same, even with the supporting mods and gauges you need plan to spend about 6-7k to have it done right.

09-26-2009, 07:15 PM	#22
RacerFreakXXX JDM Fred View User's Garage Drives: 06 Mazda Miata Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somers NY Posts: 787	I'm not going to argue with that... I am 99% sure I'm going to get the blitz s/c because it's more reliable for daily and I can add it on top of basic breather mods. However if you want power and speed turbo is still the king.

09-26-2009, 08:09 PM	#24
RacerFreakXXX JDM Fred View User's Garage Drives: 06 Mazda Miata Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somers NY Posts: 787	well it only matters if he sells it to everyone for a lower price, and if that was garms intention I'm sure it would be less at his site. My numbers are from me averaging everything out. There are intakes for $400 for the yaris and maybe not everyone wants an afe intake. You don't need pulleys but you have them and you know it helps with power gain because a supercharger by it's self wont put you at 130whp. A DC header is about $260. All you seem to be doing is nickel and dimming everything so a supercharger looks good. You could easily just buy the hks kit for $2600, get a custom downpipe made and buy an ebay intercooler and only spend $3400. Either way cost is the same. Right now a turbo kit takes more time because there are only manifold that are premade for our engine. I bet you if garm was selling a turbo kit that came with everything you needed for 4k and made 180whp you would say turbo was better.

09-27-2009, 01:47 PM	#30
advocate Drives: car Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: location Posts: 1,033	Since I probably won't be able to afford either I voted for which one I'd have on my car in my dreams

09-27-2009, 11:22 PM	#36
etheliters Drives: 07 yaris hatch Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: houston Posts: 146	I like turbos hands down.For all the cash I'd shell to make my s/c yaris worth mentioning to anyone except here on yaris world, I'd go for the turbo expiriment. Seems to me the biggest obsticle would be the ecu. I'd only shoot for 7lbs and thought a stock ecu could handle that...But I was involved in a 6lb boost rotrex supercharge install and it came with a piggyback. wtf? But still turbo ftw. 40 hp for $3400?(supercharger kit) Seems full bolt ons is a better bang for your buck. (then turbo and trophies if so inclined) Also your s/c probably is fast. Until a turbo pulls up.