K&N Air filter questions

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by RedRide

NO..... a warranty can not be voided by using a Toyota filter.
BTW, once I got a TRD exhaust for my Celica and had the dealer insalled it as then it would be covered under the bumper to bumper warranty which still had 2 1/2 years left on it at that point.

The service manage then asked me if I wanted a TRD air filter also.
When I told him I already had a K&N filter installed he said OK then.

Wrong. Care to scroll down to the warranty claim on TRD parts NOT installed by the authorized Toyota/Scion dealer?

http://www.trdusa.com/warranty.cfm

Guess it could all depend on the dealer and how serious they want to be about it...

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Wrong. Care to scroll down to the warranty claim on TRD parts NOT installed by the authorized Toyota/Scion dealer?

http://www.trdusa.com/warranty.cfm

Guess it could all depend on the dealer and how serious they want to be about it...

Well yeah, That's why I said I let the dealer install the TRD exhaust
since I had well over 12 months/ 12k miles left on the Celica's warranty it piggy backed on that.
Othewise, I would only get 12 months/12k miles if i installed it myself.

They don't give you less warrany it you install it yourself. They give you more warranty if the dealer installs it providing you still have warranty (over 12 months/12k miles) left on the car to begin with.

This has been standard warranty practice for TRD parts for years.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by RedRide

Well yeah, That's why I said I let the dealer install the TRD exhaust
since I had well over 12 months/ 12k miles left on the Celica's warranty it piggy backed on that.
Othewise, I would only get 12 months/12k miles if i installed it myself.

They don't give you less warrany it you install it yourself. They give you more warranty if the dealer installs it providing you still have warranty (over 12 months/12k miles) left on the car to begin with.

This has been standard warranty practice for TRD parts for years.

The difference in warranty coverage is dependant on who installed the TRD part; authorized dealer installed, no issues with part or vehicle warranty, but as my TRD link stated, non-authorized installer of TRD part can void warranty of part, or vehicle, or both.

[bearda]

I used to run K&N filters until I started seeing UOA results come back with dramatically higher Silicon counts. 1stToyota is right about the amount of dirt making it through the K&N filters compared to the OEM paper one. When it comes down to it, I'd rather pay for the disposable filter than have a bunch of sand in my engine.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by bearda

I used to run K&N filters until I started seeing UOA results come back with dramatically higher Silicon counts. 1stToyota is right about the amount of dirt making it through the K&N filters compared to the OEM paper one. When it comes down to it, I'd rather pay for the disposable filter than have a bunch of sand in my engine.

Agreed. If UOAs are proving that the oiled filter isn't doing as good of a job at keeping debris out of the motor then being frugal isn't too important if it comes with the inferior filtering trade-off.

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

The difference in warranty coverage is dependant on who installed the TRD part; authorized dealer installed, no issues with part or vehicle warranty, but as my TRD link stated, non-authorized installer of TRD part can void warranty of part, or vehicle, or both.

I'm sorry but, I fail to see in your link where is says a non TRD part can void a warranty.
Fist off, that woul be illegal (at least in the US) unless Toyota can prove that it caused a particular problem that you claim is a warranty issue.
The same would be true for any after market part.

As far as a K&N filter, since Toyota also sells the exact same kind of filter, they can't legally claim it caused a problem.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by RedRide

I'm sorry but, I fail to see in your link where is says a non TRD part can void a warranty.
Fist off, that woul be illegal (at least in the US) unless Toyota can prove that it caused a particular problem that you claim is a warranty issue.
The same would be true for any after market part.

As far as a K&N filter, since Toyota also sells the exact same kind of filter, they can't legally claim it caused a problem.

:sigh: I never said that, link never stated that. It's not the TRD part that can void the warranty of the TRD part and/or the vehicle, it's the installer of that TRD part that can void the warrantry of that TRD part and/or the vehicle...guess Toyota doesn't want to trust their performance parts in the hands of a DIY project

That's what I said and that's what the provided TRD warranty link states.

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

:sigh: I never said that, link never stated that. It's not the TRD part that can void the warranty of the TRD part and/or the vehicle, it's the installer of that TRD part that can void the warrantry of that TRD part and/or the vehicle...guess Toyota doesn't want to trust their performance parts in the hands of a DIY project

That's what I said and that's what the provided TRD warranty link states.

The same could be said for any part TRD or otherwise from a winshild wiper to a turbo. If a bad install of a part causs a problem, the warranty issue pertaining to (and only to) to that partular problem may no be honered.
The key word here is "can" void a warranty not "will" void it.

However, Tyota must prove that a bad install cause a partucular problem.
Also, an owner is allowed to install a non Toyota part.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by RedRide

The same could be said for any part TRD or otherwise from a winshild wiper to a turbo. If a bad install of a part causs a problem, the warranty issue pertaining to (and only to) to that partular problem may no be honered.
The key word here is "can" void a warranty not "will" void it.

However, Tyota must prove that a bad install cause a partucular problem.
Also, an owner is allowed to install a non Toyota part.

Don't get excited. TRD came up with their warranty claim and how they can choose to handle the situation involving the warranty with the part and/or vehicle in any way they choose fit, when it comes to the TRD part being installed by a non-authorized Toyota/Scion dealer...they wrote their fine print, I didn't