2012 Chevy Aveo photos leaked

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

....but I know what you mean, like all the Fit vs. Yaris comments; price and features-wise it should be Fit vs. xD

Yeah, some people need to get their classes right. It's...

Entry-level sub-compact class =
- Yaris, Accent, Versa, Aveo, Fiesta, Mazda 2, Fit (yeah it costs more but is intended to be in the entry level sub-compact class). You can also add the xD to this class.

Compact class =
- Corolla, Civic, Focus, Cruze, Sentra, Caliber, Elantra, Mazda 3

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Chrysler filed Chapter 11 and the government, meaning you and me, now own a fair part of it. That is definitely not a loan. So I'm not sure I understand the argument.

CNN confirming that bailout money won't all be repaid:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/05/news...ion=2009050517

I guess with Chrysler this may be true which is very disappointing because it will no doubt hurt them by boycotts. They went through a similar situation in 1982, or so, and needed a big government loan (called a bailout at the time no doubt). Chrysler then paid it all back much earlier than scheduled.

GM, on the other hand, is committed to paying the money back and ahead of schedule. Hopefully, when this happens, people will look at it for what it was - a loan. And at that point, give GM vehicles fair consideration.

[Hershey]

don't forget the MAZDA 2 . Would purchase that well before a AVEO' , FIESTA , etc.. Think MITSUBISHI is bringing back the COLT to the STATES in due time . NISSAN may bring the MICRA as well .

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by fmicle

The problem that I have with the bailout money is that it distorts the market. GM should have been dead under normal market conditions. So having the government fork over billions of dollars is all but fair to the other businesses that played by the rules.

And it's funny to watch the government (which now owns a big share of GM) turn the heat on Toyota for the sticky pedal recalls. This stinks of conflict of interest to me from a mile away...

GM should have turned the heat on itself years ago, but that would have killed them off for sure. I'd say that about half of the GM vehicles on the road today with a V6 or V8 [older designs, not current ones] have intake manifold gasket design flaws. You have to go aftermarket to get improved design gaskets. But of course GM wouldn't want to solve that problem because they can keep real busy on those $500.00 - $800.00 jobs to replace bad gaskets with more bad gaskets, unless the engine overheats or engine needs to be replaced because of too much coolant dumping in the valley, then you're talking much more.

[thebarber]

A: i like the new look on the aveo

B: i like the 1.4L turbo in the cruze

C: GM and Chrysler employ A LOT of people in the US and Canada. What do you think the consequences would have been if the US government let them go under? Certainly would not have helped the global economic crisis, nor the situation in the US. You've got no one to blame for GM building what they built for the last few decades but yourselves. (that IS a general, blanket comment to Americans as a whole - - if the demand for oversized trucks and suv's wasn't there, I'm sure they'd have changed things up a while ago)

[1stToyota]

The consequences of total mismanagement and over-priced employees at GM, financial institutions, etc should be to go belly-up, not rewards of billions of dollars of other peoples money.

[thebarber]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

The consequences of total mismanagement and over-priced employees at GM, financial institutions, etc should be to go belly-up, not rewards of billions of dollars of other peoples money.

you can thank the unions for the over-priced employees and their pensions.

you're saying you've never done something you know is wrong and if you were to get caught you'd rather be punished then let off the hook?

im saying, if you worked for GM on the line, wouldnt you want the most you could make w/ a sweet pension? if you were a high-up manager, wouldnt you want to make as much money as you can despite whether or not you've earned it?

the world is run by money. people aren't willing to do without or have-not.....at least not in north america. its hard to blame gm or chrysler or anyone else for wanting more money as easily as they can get it. it just makes the most sense. but i think we've gotten well off topic

[1stToyota]

I guess that's the problem, I don't let myself off the hook; I'm not "greedy" enough, I guess. If a job goes wrong, or was misdiagnosed, customer never pays 1 dime; I'm more than willing to do without. Guess I could only worry about money, but it wouldn't work out as well for me as it did for GM, I'm sure.