Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

Ok, here are the first 100 miles of the I6SW...

(note that I all ready changed my signature, bye bye IDQ12)


I have to be honest here... I was very exited this morning when I jumped in my car, and got my self going... the fist 10 miles... mmm, "Maybe I should use 2 I6SW" I was a little dissapointed maybe even more because I remember thinking "I'm moving back the IDQ up front"

Well heading to my destination after 40 miles or so... I forgot I was testing the I6SW, and "What? this sounds good, feels like that little woofer it's growing" no kidding started to come alive! well sort of.

By the time I was almost back home after 80 miles or so, I just couldn't believe it! I don't want to write here that "Hits Hard" it doesn't I'm sure I'm not going to wake up my neighbors, but the BASS up front is great! my chest, my arms, my shoulders are witness of this wonderful effect!

When I got home with a big smile on my face, I can tell you... this is not a LOUD woofer, it doesn't shake the car like crazy, but man does plays "JUST RIGHT", This is what I wanted, some thing really cool, that sounds great, makes my music feel "BOLD" and at least to me a sweet spot for Sound Quality. And the fact that now I feel the BASS coming from the front, hitting my chest! vrs the BASS Shaking my seat and that rumble coming from the back. I really love having the BASS up front! You can tell I'm happy!

Ok ok,... too many good things about it, so here we go it's not a little monster, that likes to play at super high volumes (I don't really listen music at super high volumes any whay) it's more sensitive to changes than the IDQ12, and it sounds really good with some music but I didn't like it when playing rap music, it just didn't feel right, maybe after a break in period I could give more details. I remember the same feelings when I installed my IDQ12, at the beginning was so-so, but after a while turned into a really good woofer.

Now I have three 10" Kicker Solo Baric woofers, one 10" Bazooka tube, one IDQ12; all these sound great, I was impressed with the Bazooka, and the power handling of the Solo Baric, and the IDQ12 has a special place in my heart, but nothing compares to the feeling having the BASS up front where everything else is happening.

For now the first two and a half hours took me from in-satisfaction to a "wow this sounds great, not bad for a 6.5" woofer"

D.

[dawin2122]

SALUDOS DERICK TIENES FACEBOOK O MESSENGER QUIERO PREGUNTARTE ALGO GRACIAS

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by dawin2122

SALUDOS DERICK TIENES FACEBOOK O MESSENGER QUIERO PREGUNTARTE ALGO GRACIAS

Si claro...

Derick R Veliz-Montufar (Face Book)

D.

[dawin2122]

PERDONA DERICK PERO NO TE ENCUENTRO PUEDES ENVIARME UNA SOLICITUD TU MY NONBRE
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[dawin2122]

DAVID VELAZQUEZ FIGUEROA

CON DOS Z EN VELAZQUEZ

[sqcomp]

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at in the beginning. It's a 6.5" woofer in a "simple" ported enclosure.

At no time should one expect this woofer to replace the IDQ 12". It just doesn't have the cone area or excursion to do so.

BUT, for what you're using it for, an up front bass presence, this is a spectacular idea and execution Derick. Give us more on your conclusions.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by TOLMACH

Derick, is your sub ported already? Are you using the port or still no hole as on the picture?

Wide open to the front!

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

At no time should one expect this woofer to replace the IDQ 12". It just doesn't have the cone area or excursion to do so.

BUT, for what you're using it for, an up front bass presence, this is a spectacular idea and execution Derick. Give us more on your conclusions.

I'm realistic the IDQ12 is awesome, but it doesn't fit in a small box.
The I6SW sounds good, well not as good as the IDQ12

I6SW @ 200 miles, still a baby and making progress.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by TOLMACH

Interesting results you have.. Normally people never go back to 2 ways system after playing with 3 way ones.

I usually do not care a lot about the sound stage and imaging, as IMO both these concepts are overly exegerrated in car audio.. (have some experiance with EMMA competitions) .. I am more concerned with getting proper tonal accuracy and spectral balance.. again.. that said, somehow (quite unexpectedly) I have gotten quite a nice stage im my yaris.. if I close my eyes, sound stage seems something like 10 or 12 inches wider that my A-pillars..

we both understand what midranges play a huge role in staging.. and yours are looking more towards each other while mine are somewhat more pointed towards the front listeners.. I was kinda suspecting you'd get a much better stage..

again.. these are just my thoughts

pls, keep us informed about your next experiments

Thanks TOLMACH, the little 6.5 woofer makes a great SQ system, I should called "A personal SQ experience". Will keep you up to date!

2 or 3 way:
I'm not going with a 2 way, I'm going to end up with a 3way!, because of the physical proportions, geometry and cabin construction I'm going to use a 3 way, what I was saying is that because my Mids (in a-pillars) are at the same distance to my ears (PLDs) than my Lows in the OEM door location. What makes the 2 way sound wider because the Lows in doors are farther apart from each other, compare to the Mids in the a-pillars.

But to improve my system, I can move my Mids to the a-frame, farther distance I can get from my ears, this way my PLDs will be shorter by doing this I will get most of my 3 way system, better than what I have now.

I agree with proper tonal accuracy and spectral balance, but first I need to get physically everything in the right place.

I had my Mids at some point looking at the listeners (if you look back in this thread, or see photos below) and yes the stages seems wider, open a window and it's gone, I got the conclusion that the reflexion of the side windows was helping to wide the stage, but also was screwing my image by creating a "V" shape, for example when I play the 7 drum track (see image below). That is why I change my Mids to the a-pillar, Sqcomp advice me about putting in the a-frame, I should have listened to him! further and far apart is better.

[sqcomp]

Crap! That is definately not what we want. Tonal accuracy and balance are parts of the overall picture. If your stage is that skewed then it doesn't present a proper audio picture. Does the band really move from a centrally located stage? No.

Tolm,

Let's see your setup with the 12" wide than the pillar stage...

[sqcomp]

What I meant was based off what you said, "if I close my eyes, sound stage seems something like 10 or 12 inches wider that my A-pillars".

That extends past the outer limits of your mirrors.

I'd love to see your front stage setup.

Mixing the sub in just right can be a trick. It works though in the Yaris sedan...even with the sub in the trunk. Crossover techniques is what does it for me.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

If your stage is that skewed then it doesn't present a proper audio picture. Does the band really move from a centrally located stage? No.

No it's not, that was a shot in the past, when I had the Mids in spheres!

As of today in a 2 way configuration, "but closer to the the listener, about 2 feet from my face and it's wider!" looks more like this : What I'm showing here is the 7 GREEN asterisks



D.

[derickveliz2]

Ok, I took the I6SW out of it's enclosure, then with some Morton Ice Melt I started checking internal volume, and I end up with a 9.3 liter enclosure, HAT recommends 9.9 litters that means I'm short for over 1/2 a liter (2 cups).

That puts me at 94% of the recommended internal volume, should I add a little hump! to compensate and accomplish 9.9 liters? maybe I should?

[derickveliz2]

Yesterday I had the chance to have my first passenger to test the space, I just covered the enclosure with a black cloth, and didn't even say any thing to my guest:

1.- He didn't bother or noticed the enclosure, he was comfortable as far I could tell, he is about 5'-10".

2.- When I turn the music on, (very low volume, this was a business trip, not a show off) I could tell on his eyes rolling that some thing special was going on, I had some Jazz music, he kind of pause at some points to listen/feel the music.

Payless!

D.

[sqcomp]

Derick...you're funny.

You meant priceless.

That is great news! So when do you plan to compete? Hint hint...

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Derick...you're funny.

You meant priceless.

That is great news! So when do you plan to compete? Hint hint...

I was sleepy last night , that's what happens when you think in Spanish and write in English.

I would love to participate in a competition, just to measure really where I'm and how much I have accomplished!

D.

[derickveliz2]

After another 200 miles with the I6SW, I was thinking... "Do I miss my IDQ12?"

Not really!

IDQ12 was nice to show off, with loud bass in the trunk, but on long trips was kind of overwhelming, my seat used to vibrate and that kind of bother me.


I6SW is not Loud, but it does what I want, like & feel the bass in my chest. every day get's better and better.








D.

[sqcomp]

Coolness! Now we need to move that stage back to the hood...

You know, it's funny, we're converging with our systems. I just realized last night that my L6SEs fit in my doors. They put out at least as much mid bass as they do in the kicks. This means I can move my mid ranges down to the kicks...AND...

wait for it, you're going to like this

put two sealed ID8s in the passenger's footwell. I've got so much power on the sub amp that I could run 12 of the little 8s.

:)

I think you might like that!