Shift Without Clutch Experiment

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by BEEF

So from a stand still (taking off in the morning) you plan to crank it in neutral, rev it a bit, then jab it into first? My yaris won't even start without the clutch in...I don't think I ever had a manual that would (without modification).

I just can't see this as a long lasting viable solution...what do you have against an automatic anyway? not all autos are created equal. I have heard a lot about the one in the yaris that would keep me from having one but other cars aren't as bad.

No.

Clutch safety switch disabled in this vehicle. Starts without pushing clutch in.

To start:

Put it in first.

Crank engine.

Engine turns, car moves, engine starts and you are moving in first gear.

No clutch needed!

Automatic transmission: poor mileage, less control over speed (does not slow when taking foot off gas) does not last as long as a manual does.

Feet screwedup.

Cant push clutch in.

[david_827]

Originally Posted by bronsin

No.

Clutch safety switch disabled in this vehicle. Starts without pushing clutch in.

To start:

Put it in first.

Crank engine.

Engine turns, car moves, engine starts and you are moving in first gear.

No clutch needed!

Automatic transmission: poor mileage, less control over speed (does not slow when taking foot off gas) does not last as long as a manual does.

Feet screwedup.

Cant push clutch in.

Thats weird, lately in my auto i have been averaging about 32mpg all city driving, and the moment i take my foot off my gas pedal it slows down almost instantaneously.......

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by david_827

Thats weird, lately in my auto i have been averaging about 32mpg all city driving, and the moment i take my foot off my gas pedal it slows down almost instantaneously.......

Compared to a manual transmission (in the old ECHO) mine slows down not at all once you let up on the gas pedal..

This isnt good because this makes you use the brakes more. Wearing them out faster and giving less control over the car in slippery conditions.

This car also has ABS and there is an interesting story about the auto trans and the Abs brakes.

I am from upstate NY and grew up driving VW Beetles in the snow filled winteres up there. Even though those cars have four wheel, manually adjusted drum brakes and ZERO weight over the front end (which makes for twitchy handling) if you drove 20 mph in horrendous snowy conditions you would always get there safely. The car had great traction, but lousy steering and brakes. Going no more than 25 mph in really bad conditions and taking your foot off the gas to slow down made it a hanicapped but reliable car in bad conditions.

That car and every car I had until my 2009 Yaris was a manual. The first snow storm I was out in the Yaris to try out the ABS. Like in the VW I went about 25 mph in about six inches of snow. Childs play for the VW. As I approached a stop sign at 25 mph I lifted my foot from the gas pedal. I was doing that like I did for the Beetles. The car didnt slow at all and suddenly I was zooming towards the stop sign.

Shit!

Well, I thought, I have ABS brakes! Hurray!

I crammed on the brakes, the brake pedal clicked away, the ABS prevented the brakes from working and the car went right through the intersection!

Shit goddamn!

Lucky for me there was no one else around!

[BEEF]

Originally Posted by bronsin

No.

To start:

Put it in first.

Crank engine.

Engine turns, car moves, engine starts and you are moving in first gear.

No clutch needed!

So you are going to rely on the starter to not only turn the engine but to also move the vehicle....

until the motor takes over, the starter is going to be driving the vehicle forward. I can't see that lasting very long. screw the transmission, what about the starter in that scenario.