Boston Bombings

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by JumpmanYaris

I RLMAO with y'all's comments. It is the most idiotic things I have heard

First of all, thank you for your service. One of the things I like most about Texas is the respect people have for those who serve. One hears 'thank you for your service' all the time, and people really mean what they are saying. The people I've met here really, really care about this country. Patriotism abounds. I find it quite intoxicating.

Second, if you think that y'all's comments are idiotic, then you are just plain naive. Perhaps that is a good thing, as it might be hard to meet your daily tasks with the enthusiasm your superiors desire if you had a perspective that was any different than the one you have.

[goliath1812]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

You might enjoy reading The True Story of The Bilderberg Group by Daniel Estulin.

I will check it out. Thank you, sir.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by goliath1812

I will check it out. Thank you, sir.

[STC]

I don't believe in the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan too, but I'm not going to kill innocent US citizens because of this! What the captured brother said to officials, the more and more the term "blowback" is so CORRECT! RP is correct. What did Dzhokhar say? Fact: US wars on Iraq and Afganistan was their motive. This came from his mouth! Muslims and terror groups don't hate the USA because they are jealous of our freedom. It's the sticking our nose in their sovereignty, religion, economy, and natural resources that makes them hate us. And you don't have to be foreign. You can be living right here in the USA, reaping the benefits of US lifestyle, including taking welfare. Yep, these brothers enjoyed the "freedom". How could they hate it? Maybe we should reconsider what we do in our foreign policy?

Cheers!

[47_MasoN_47]

I don't know what to make of all this mess, but there are clearly a lot of shenanigans going on.

Regardless, I don't like the fact that Blackwater was called in to help with the (most likely illegal) warrantless searches of people's homes while holding the owners at gunpoint. Para military mercenary groups don't have any business being on our streets conducting police business. Especially just chasing some 19 year old punk.

[goliath1812]

Originally Posted by STC

I don't believe in the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan too, but I'm not going to kill innocent US citizens because of this! What the captured brother said to officials, the more and more the term "blowback" is so CORRECT! RP is correct. What did Dzhokhar say? Fact: US wars on Iraq and Afganistan was their motive. This came from his mouth! Muslims and terror groups don't hate the USA because they are jealous of our freedom. It's the sticking our nose in their sovereignty, religion, economy, and natural resources that makes them hate us. And you don't have to be foreign. You can be living right here in the USA, reaping the benefits of US lifestyle, including taking welfare. Yep, these brothers enjoyed the "freedom". How could they hate it? Maybe we should reconsider what we do in our foreign policy?

Cheers!

I don't know why it's so hard for our government to figure out. Imagine if any other country came over here and made bases, patrolled, and tried to take over the way we run our country. We would have none of it. What makes it OK for us to do this exact thing to other nations and not expect retaliation? It seems so simple to me.....and another bonus is saving tons of tax money.....

[why?]

Originally Posted by STC

I don't believe in the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan too, but I'm not going to kill innocent US citizens because of this! What the captured brother said to officials, the more and more the term "blowback" is so CORRECT! RP is correct. What did Dzhokhar say? Fact: US wars on Iraq and Afganistan was their motive. This came from his mouth! Muslims and terror groups don't hate the USA because they are jealous of our freedom. It's the sticking our nose in their sovereignty, religion, economy, and natural resources that makes them hate us. And you don't have to be foreign. You can be living right here in the USA, reaping the benefits of US lifestyle, including taking welfare. Yep, these brothers enjoyed the "freedom". How could they hate it? Maybe we should reconsider what we do in our foreign policy?

Cheers!

Muslims have been our enemy since our country started. 25% of the first Continental Congress' budget went to muslims in the form of either bribes to get them to stop attacking our ships, or blackmail to get our people back. We created the Marines because of the Muslims, it is referenced in their anthem, the first Marines attacked Tripoli and freed a ton of captives muslims took. Muslims have been killing since their cult began, there is absolutely nothing we could do to stop them killing besides wiping them out.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by 47_MasoN_47

Regardless, I don't like the fact that Blackwater was called in to help with the (most likely illegal) warrantless searches of people's homes while holding the owners at gunpoint. Para military mercenary groups don't have any business being on our streets conducting police business. Especially just chasing some 19 year old punk.

^^^^^ This. And possibly Blackwater was brought in re trying to skirt any potential conflict with Posse Comitatus and also Section 1031, Clause B, Article 2 of the 2012 NDAA ?

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by STC

I don't believe in the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan too, but I'm not going to kill innocent US citizens because of this! What the captured brother said to officials, the more and more the term "blowback" is so CORRECT! RP is correct. What did Dzhokhar say? Fact: US wars on Iraq and Afganistan was their motive. This came from his mouth! Muslims and terror groups don't hate the USA because they are jealous of our freedom. It's the sticking our nose in their sovereignty, religion, economy, and natural resources that makes them hate us. And you don't have to be foreign. You can be living right here in the USA, reaping the benefits of US lifestyle, including taking welfare. Yep, these brothers enjoyed the "freedom". How could they hate it? Maybe we should reconsider what we do in our foreign policy?

Cheers!

There are other groups who (IMO intentionally) take the Quran out of context to to recruit nearly illiterate followers. This is going to happen no matter what our foreign policy is. IMO, the base motivation of these extremists isn't U.S. aggression, it's their own extremist ideology irrespective of the actions of the U.S. For other types of extremists, the conflict re who should occupy 'the Holy Land' is their motivation, but that is another huge kettle of fish. I used to feel the way you and Goliath do, but I no longer think that is realistic. I think U.S. policy should be based on what is best for our country (which IMO might include changing policy, but because in is best for us, not because other countries don't like it). One of our main problems, IMO, is that we have many bureaucrats who care more about their own turf, their own egos, and perpetuating the need for their own jobs then they do about our country (not to mention the agendas of those outside of government). To see a stark contrast re truly caring about the country, look at how Sweden is administered (albeit aided by the fact that it is small, and also more homogenous (both ethnically and religiously).

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by why?

Muslims have been our enemy since our country started. 25% of the first Continental Congress' budget went to muslims in the form of either bribes to get them to stop attacking our ships, or blackmail to get our people back. We created the Marines because of the Muslims, it is referenced in their anthem, the first Marines attacked Tripoli and freed a ton of captives muslims took. Muslims have been killing since their cult began, there is absolutely nothing we could do to stop them killing besides wiping them out.

I don't feel quite as strongly as you do, but my current view is much closer to yours than to the other side of the coin.

[why?]

It is really sad, because there are probably some really good people that get mixed up in believing islam is somehow a good religion.

But in reality, wherever there are muslims, there is violence against non-muslims. There are now no Christian churches left in Egypt, because muslims have burnt them all to the ground.

If you talk to those so called palestinians without a camera, a group that exists 100% because no muslim country wants them, they all want to be ruled by Israel, because it is the only country in the region with actual freedom.

And to me, the worst crime of all. Before the muslim cult started, there were well over 100 million Zoroastrians alive, most living in the middle east and afghanistan/packistan. There are now only about 1.5 million left in the entire world, most in the USA. The number one cause of death for Zoroastrians is murder by muslims. The Zoroastrian religion was the first to believe in one God, Zoroastrians taught the Jews a high percentage of what we think of as the Jewish religion, and they were almost completely obliterated by muslims.

How's that for the religion of peace?

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by why?

It is really sad, because there are probably some really good people that get mixed up in believing islam is somehow a good religion.

But in reality, wherever there are muslims, there is violence against non-muslims. There are now no Christian churches left in Egypt, because muslims have burnt them all to the ground.

If you talk to those so called palestinians without a camera, a group that exists 100% because no muslim country wants them, they all want to be ruled by Israel, because it is the only country in the region with actual freedom.

And to me, the worst crime of all. Before the muslim cult started, there were well over 100 million Zoroastrians alive, most living in the middle east and afghanistan/packistan. There are now only about 1.5 million left in the entire world, most in the USA. The number one cause of death for Zoroastrians is murder by muslims. The Zoroastrian religion was the first to believe in one God, Zoroastrians taught the Jews a high percentage of what we think of as the Jewish religion, and they were almost completely obliterated by muslims.

How's that for the religion of peace?

It is terrible. Just playing devil's advocate -- not all muslims are fundamentalists and/or jihadists and many of those who aren't claim that those who claim that the Quran requires death to non-believers (infidels, as I'm sure you know) are parsing the Quran to fit their agenda and taking it out of context, and that the non fundamentalist and non jihadi muslims should be able to live in peace. Why would that view be incorrect?

[verongome]

I offer my condolences to the departed ones and hope that government changes for better.

[goliath1812]

I think it's sad that you are so full of hate. To blame one entire religion, or over 1.6 billion people...for terrorism.... it's just sad that someone can lump that many people into one category, only because a few have done wrong.
"One source says that Muslim attacks worldwide and against all targets, failed and successful, add up to 18,000 since 2001. This number is bound to be controversial and subject to error. If this involved 18,000 Muslims, that's a little over one-thousandth of one percent of Muslims who engaged in a terrorist or violent attempted attack or attack anywhere in the world."
So you would like to destroy 1.6 billion lives, because of the actions of 18,000.....? And you say THEY are not a peaceful religion? What do you preach?

[Lippitt]

^^ Agree with that, there shouldn't be any 'group' hate for any religion or things like it. You can't blame one person never mind huge amounts of people, for one or two peoples decisions. Just the same as you shouldn't be hateful of total strangers because of some idea about them or there choices. Weird people who can just jump on any old bandwagon of opinion.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Lippitt

Weird people who can just jump on any old bandwagon of opinion.

You obviously haven't read any or only very few of why?'s posts. I don't always agree with him, but he is possibly the last person I can ever imagine jumping on any old bandwagon of opinion.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by goliath1812

I think it's sad that you are so full of hate. To blame one entire religion, or over 1.6 billion people...for terrorism.... it's just sad that someone can lump that many people into one category, only because a few have done wrong.
"One source says that Muslim attacks worldwide and against all targets, failed and successful, add up to 18,000 since 2001. This number is bound to be controversial and subject to error. If this involved 18,000 Muslims, that's a little over one-thousandth of one percent of Muslims who engaged in a terrorist or violent attempted attack or attack anywhere in the world."
So you would like to destroy 1.6 billion lives, because of the actions of 18,000.....? And you say THEY are not a peaceful religion? What do you preach?

The problem is, it's not as simple as you illustrate above. One can be militant without being violent and the subsequent chain of events can lead others to be violent (among other negative consequences). Many consider Canada the birthplace of multicultural ideology in the early 1970s, which then took hold in many other countries. I know that at the very end of the 1980s, some Swedish universities had a 15% quota for foreign students in some of their graduate programs. This quota was nearly always filled because the Swedish government was picking up the tab for most of this.

In Norway, even before Anders Breivik committed his atrocities, one could read articles published in English in publications in Norway re how parents in Olso were moving out to the suburbs to get away from the severe problems that policies sprouting from multiculturalism were creating. Around the same time, or a bit later, one could go on YouTube and view videos made by obviously bright people about the problems (albeit less severe than in Norway) in Sweden such policies were creating. Eventually, Denmark and the Netherlands officially reversed their policy to that of monoculturalism. Later, David Cameron, and other leaders, gave speeches re why multiculturalism as an official policy doesn't work. Even though Britain, France, and a few other nations are still on the fence about what to do, when I think about why multiculturalism doesn't work, I think about muslims in Great Britain wanting to be left alone to conduct family matters based on their own culture rather than by local and national law. That can only end up resulting in chaos. If you have a peaceful status quo based on assimilation, and other groups who want to essentially have most of their previous world inside (and benefitting from) a more prosperous and very different world, then violence may result just from that dynamic...from those who are not terrorists or jihadists.

[why?]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

It is terrible. Just playing devil's advocate -- not all muslims are fundamentalists and/or jihadists and many of those who aren't claim that those who claim that the Quran requires death to non-believers (infidels, as I'm sure you know) are parsing the Quran to fit their agenda and taking it out of context, and that the non fundamentalist and non jihadi muslims should be able to live in peace. Why would that view be incorrect?

That is the thing though, even if 50% of all muslims are 100% pacifist, that leaves 50% that believe the quran to the exact letter.

Another problem we see is the quran we get in the USA is not what they read in the Middle East, or anywhere else. They completely change the wording to make it sound much less violent than it really is.

But if there were really so many muslims who wanted non violence, where are they? Why aren't the preaching non violence anywhere? Why, when looking for muslim clerics, can you only find the ones preaching extreme hatred? That is the biggest problem I have. I just don't see any Muslims stepping up to state the evils of terrorism, even when asked point blank they completely refuse to denounce terrorism.

And people have been trying to find these so called peaceful Muslims. But they just don't seem to exist. More problematically, the quran states Muslims are encouraged to lie to infidels if the lie will give Islam power over said infidel.

Originally Posted by goliath1812

I think it's sad that you are so full of hate. To blame one entire religion, or over 1.6 billion people...for terrorism.... it's just sad that someone can lump that many people into one category, only because a few have done wrong.
"One source says that Muslim attacks worldwide and against all targets, failed and successful, add up to 18,000 since 2001. This number is bound to be controversial and subject to error. If this involved 18,000 Muslims, that's a little over one-thousandth of one percent of Muslims who engaged in a terrorist or violent attempted attack or attack anywhere in the world."
So you would like to destroy 1.6 billion lives, because of the actions of 18,000.....? And you say THEY are not a peaceful religion? What do you preach?

It is amazing you confuse simple facts with emotion. This is one example of why our society is so screwed up, people don't know how to think without assuming everything is all about emotions, instead of facts or logic.

Maybe you need to do more research, and see exactly what Muslims teach their children about non Muslims.

There is a gigantic difference between your completely made up number of terrorist attacks and what Muslims have systematically done since it began.

Have you ever even cracked open a real quran? Have you read how God came to the prophet? It is not like any other telling of God speaking to humankind found in any other religion.

Have you read the story of how their prophet brutally murdered every single man, woman, and child in the village he grew up in because they kicked him out? How their prophet decided God told him it was just fine to marry a six year old and then start sexual relations with her when she was 9?

How after he was kicked out of his homeland, instead of peacefully preaching, he joined up with a band of brigands as they killed and stole from all passerby, eventually coming to be their leader?

None of this has anything to do with emotion. This is what they wrote about their prophet.

islam is nothing like any other religion on the planet. Pointing that out is not hate, it is simple fact.