Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

I got some kids-Halloween music 4 my kids, thought about running the tracks in the Yaris!

AWESOME! lots of special effects that make the ride such an experience!



Some car-audio enthusiasts from Massachusetts are planning to have another meet.

D.

[JimKellyfan]

I was curious as to why not running a huge patch of dynamat or imitation dynamat across areas (covering all but tubes in doors, etc.) ? Instead you had small patches here and there...Curious ?
On another note, (I want to dynamat know my doors for obvious reasons), but before I did, I wanted to let you (and others) that I put two cans of 3M undercoating on my underside (floor pans/ metal parts of wheel wells) with dramatic noise deadening improvement. For an even better coat, let dry and hit with two more cans. (I am just going with 2 for now), until I get my speakers and dynamat and see what that does for it, sound deadening wise.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by JimKellyfan

I was curious as to why not running a huge patch of dynamat or imitation dynamat across areas (covering all but tubes in doors, etc.) ? Instead you had small patches here and there...Curious ?

Depending on your goal, trying to minimize road noise or deadening your car for big BASS system.

If minimizing road noise is your goal, it's better to use a thick material what I call CLD Tiles (to control reverberations) only require 25-30% of coverage from a flat metal area + a Layer of CCFoam and a Layer of MLV. (that is good to block road noise)

If your goal is controlling rattles from big BASS Subwoofers, then complete layers of Mat are the way to go, but if you overdue you'll find your self inside a big box like a guitar box where YES you block the road noise and control rattles but the reverberation will create other noises, just like inside a guitar.

I did a combination of both where in some areas I'm aiming at blocking noise (road noise) and some other areas to prevent rattles from the BASS.

Take in mind that a system of CLD Tiles (only covering 30% of the metal flat surface) + CCFaom + MLV is about the same as 3 or 4 layers of MAT when your goal is Blocking Road Noise.

Here is a good source of information regarding Deadening just follow the LINK


D.

[derickveliz2]

In other words when I put small patches means that I'm covering 30% of a flat metal area to control reverberations, as part of a system to block road noise.

D.

[derickveliz2]

It's getting cold , 30s at night and 60s during the day, humidity, pressure and changes in temperature; weather conditions change so does the the tuning...

So I've been spending some time on the tuning department, yes the weather changes the stage a little bit, mine brings it a little closer to me and towards the left. Some tuning is necessary to compensate these atmospheric changes.

I can't believe the stage I bring to the car, makes the Yaris feel so big!

Sqcomp you would be proud of my tuning.

D.

[sqcomp]

It's going to be interesting to see how you do next year. Again...having seen the best from the West, not much has changed. The east is the same, I'm convinced. Flext that tuning ability mang!

[derickveliz2]

Honestly, Honestly, Honestly, ...

Everyone who has heard my Yaris before including and specially the guy at NY who has been 1st place twice at that event would drop their jaws if they hear it again, Even "Me" I do it every day, the more songs I play the more I realize how good has turn into. (but I do realize that there is more to learn and it can get much better). There is always some one or something better if not dozens...

Going to that show was my opportunity to know what I should be going after, most of the systems there shoot for Tonality, Left, center and right stage, at least that was the impression I got, Even the other guy from Massachusetts he heard my car a few weeks after the competition and he was stunning on the depth and width of the Yaris (thinking the judges had no clue of what they where thinking about my Yaris (size matters here, the judges where way taller than me, putting the sweet spot away from their ears, not their falt))

There is a track where a guy speaks on the stage and starts on the center and then walks to the left and rear of the stage, then goes to the right side and so on, according to this guy from Mass. when playing this track inside the Yaris the speaker starts walking to the rear-left to the stage he claims that in the Yaris the width and depth just keeps going and going way to the back. (I know it does, I work so hard to accomplish this)

But wasn't after all that when I picked up about the reflections on the windows and how my issues with ques I overcome. Then I played with RTA and my learning experience jumped up; SQ-Systems I would say it's not for everybody, I can tell how my ear's perception and the way I listen now is so different than most people, I love this hobby I really do.

Last competitions they had about 25 participants and most of the same people was the same as previews events, and according to my friend who was there just a couple of guys had really good systems.

I'm just going to keep learning and enjoying my car as much as I can. Winter is around the corner and I already miss summer.

BTW I'm getting a new little toy to play with my iPhone it's a little Microphone specially designed for the iPhone and run a RTA will report later this week.

D.

[sqcomp]

You're referring to the EMMA staging track IIRC...

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

You're referring to the EMMA staging track IIRC...

Yes! "Staging and Imaging"

D.

[pennyracer]

not as nice looking as i hoped but it will do hope lining the inner of all the panels helps too. looking to get all the road noise out i possibly can . next my 4 focal 10" subwoofer floor enclosure that will complete my system i hope 102 sq ft of mixed thickness's of dynaliner and dynapad used for this job

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by pennyracer

not as nice looking as i hoped but it will do hope lining the inner of all the panels helps too. looking to get all the road noise out i possibly can . next my 4 focal 10" subwoofer floor enclosure that will complete my system i hope 102 sq ft of mixed thickness's of dynaliner and dynapad used for this job

Looks good, the end results are worth the sacrifice! it doesn't matter if it doesn't looks as nice, you won't see it any way. But you will hear/feel the difference.

Good job

D.

[pennyracer]

i want to try focals entry level 10" subs in my car instead of the 10' arc audio black line series i run for power 1000.1 arc kar series sub amp i will be running four 10" subs this time

[derickveliz2]

Besides the difference in specs between subs I would share that you can make any subwoofer sound/feel great! with a proper installation and tuning.

Yes their are better woofers than others, and some work better with your current car conditions and system, it's a matter of trial and error, but you can still use some science to accomplish good BASS.

Take in mind your goal, if you want to share your music with your neighborhood or for your self. Many years ago I had a car with two 12" in ported boxes, you could hear/feel my car 3 or 4 blocks away!!!

Now putting that into perspective...

My little 6" subwoofer sounds and feels 100 X better than my two 12's did "inside" the car.

2cts.



D.

[sqcomp]

After pushing the BS HAT bandwagon, seeing & listening to all the top SQ vehicles in the world...

...I completely agree with D's last statement. With the ability to tune, you can be reasonably assured that any good quality woofer can be made to sound awesome. Brand be damned.

D's rocking with the 6"s, I'm rocking with an 8". I still have that really nice ML3800 that can launch the roof off my car if needed.

[pennyracer]

i like 8"subs but wanting much more hit feel sound than one or two 8" subs will do . just don't want to step backwards on what i have to what i want without any loss. i know the true way would be to install them i want to do this right the first time if that's possible

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by pennyracer

i like 8"subs but wanting much more hit feel sound than one or two 8" subs will do . just don't want to step backwards on what i have to what i want without any loss. i know the true way would be to install them i want to do this right the first time if that's possible

So you do! want people to know when you are coming down the road

D.

[pennyracer]

I am looking to get the feeling the sound wants to push you out of the car but it stays trapped in for my listening pleasures . having such a small car but with big sound was my plan all along . most people around don't know whats inside or have heard whats inside but me and few others . I would like to think i grew up ! but some times i wonder

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by pennyracer

I am looking to get the feeling the sound wants to push you out of the car but it stays trapped in for my listening pleasures . having such a small car but with big sound was my plan all along . most people around don't know whats inside or have heard whats inside but me and few others . I would like to think i grew up ! but some times i wonder

You should really look for an SQ car (a good one) and get a demo.

I get people drooling about my little 6" woofer after they hear it, like I said before even the IASCA judge was impressed. The key feature here is once you get a good approach to recreate the "Natural" sound of the recorded music not only in the subwoofer area the outcome it's awesome.

But I understand your point of view and I also understand that to do all these a good digital sound processor is need it, so in some cases 'yes' more is better.

I suggest you to read and learn as much as possible from your subwoofers, there are good people out here that can suggest a good match between subs, enclosure and watts. And set a goal but remember there is no cooking instructions on what works best, even a single click on the EQ would make a woofer sound good or really bad. It's about testing, trying and trying again and again. Every car it's different, even our ears are so different, what sounds good for you may not sound good for others.

Just go for it! don't be afraid to experiment.

D.