Yaris sales hit new low...

[Lost4Kate]

i was in for an oil change, 110K, and asked to look at a new yaris. The largest toyota dealer in rochester does not have a yaris on the lot, has to be ordered.

they say the prius c is better. I sat in one, there is 2 inches less headroom. I actually can rub my head on the ceiling

sucks,

before my yaris, i was a die hard saturn owner

toyota is getting like GM, just wants to sell more expensive cars

[Flipper_1938]

I personally don't want stop-start or direct injection. Neither of those technologies are proving to be trouble free.

I really would prefer my existing yaris didn't have ABS (ASB= Anti-Stop Brakes)

A 6 speed manual trans would be nice though.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Flipper_1938

I really would prefer my existing yaris didn't have ABS (ASB= Anti-Stop Brakes)

One thing I am not looking forward to with a newer Yaris.

[matti]

I can say that I don't care if the Yaris has an old "non-tech" engine and transmission. I don't care if the technology is 30 years old: if it works and is proven to be durable, that's all I care about. I could not care less about having a "more modern" drivetrain if it would cost me more.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by matti

I can say that I don't care if the Yaris has an old "non-tech" engine and transmission. I don't care if the technology is 30 years old: if it works and is proven to be durable, that's all I care about. I could not care less about having a "more modern" drivetrain if it would cost me more.

However, the 6-speed manual would be worth it to me if = +++ MPG and the +++ MPG paid for the increased cost by the 100k mile mark. If the increased cost wasn't paid for until the 150k mile mark, better 'manners' might still make the 6-speed manual worth the cost.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

However, the 6-speed manual would be worth it to me if = +++ MPG and the +++ MPG paid for the increased cost by the 100k mile mark. If the increased cost wasn't paid for until the 150k mile mark, better 'manners' might still make the 6-speed manual worth the cost.

at 15,000 miles/yr and $3.70/gallon, a 40 mpg car would save $112/yr over a 37 mpg car.

id guess that 6 speed version would be at least $1k higher, so you'd be looking at a good decade to recoup the costs.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by roxy1

at 15,000 miles/yr and $3.70/gallon, a 40 mpg car would save $112/yr over a 37 mpg car.

id guess that 6 speed version would be at least $1k higher, so you'd be looking at a good decade to recoup the costs.

Yeah, but I've averaged about 2.5 x the 15,000 per year with my Yaris, accelerating the break even point had a 6-speed been available .

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

However, the 6-speed manual would be worth it to me if = +++ MPG and the +++ MPG paid for the increased cost by the 100k mile mark. If the increased cost wasn't paid for until the 150k mile mark, better 'manners' might still make the 6-speed manual worth the cost.

Actually as long as the highest gear ratio (ie 4th in a four speed, 6th in a six speed) are the same so will the mileage be. And because you are winding through the gears (and burning gas as you do so) the more speeds the transmission has the worse the mpg.

Thus the most efficient transmission is a three speed NOT a six speed.

Get it?

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Actually as long as the highest gear ratio (ie 4th in a four speed, 6th in a six speed) are the same so will the mileage be. And because you are winding through the gears (and burning gas as you do so) the more speeds the transmission has the worse the mpg.

Thus the most efficient transmission is a three speed NOT a six speed.

Get it?

I was going by a general assumption that the set up on a 6-speed vs a 5-speed (on average) would allow the 6-speed to be at a lower rpm (and likely higher MPG) than the 5-speed at the same MPH.

If one wound through the gears ALWAYS at a low rpm (trying to get to 5th or 6th as quickly as possible without 'bogging'), wouldn't the diminished efficiency of more gears to 'row'/'wind' through be minimal, or almost non existent ?

[kimona]

Originally Posted by matti

I can say that I don't care if the Yaris has an old "non-tech" engine and transmission. I don't care if the technology is 30 years old: if it works and is proven to be durable, that's all I care about. I could not care less about having a "more modern" drivetrain if it would cost me more.

I think the current 1.5L and 4-speed automatic transmission are brilliant! I wouldn't change a thing.

[Superfly]

Originally Posted by kimona

I think the current 1.5L and 4-speed automatic transmission are brilliant! I wouldn't change a thing.

I agree. I appreciate the simplicity of the 4-speed and the 1.5L but I would kill for some more torque. Not horsepower, but torque.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Lost4Kate

i was in for an oil change, 110K, and asked to look at a new yaris. The largest toyota dealer in rochester does not have a yaris on the lot, has to be ordered.

The two Toyota dealerships closest to me are Fred Haas Toyota World and Gullo Toyota. Yesterday, I stopped by both of them. Fred Haas Toyota World is the #1 Tundra dealer in the world, and (overall) the #2 Toyota dealer in the United States (Longo Toyota in El Monte, California is #1). Fred Haas Toyota World had one Yaris....an SE with an automatic transmission. I didn't see any Yarii at all at Gullo.

they say the prius c is better

Better as in more profit for them.