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[ChinoCharles]

Oh, so our nation's rate of murders and gun violence has nothing to do with the fact that a 21 year old kid with no credentials can go to a gun show and pick up an AK and some hollowpoints. My bad.

I try to keep my politics far from the confines of this car forum, but for the sake of a greater understanding of the topic lets let her rip... this whole situation reminded me of why I have always been a believer in strict gun control. If you're even mildly versed in American history you know why guns will never leave the American cultural landscape. This country was founded on musketballs. However, there is also a serious problem with the availability of guns in this country, both black market and "regulated." For example, why the hell are hollowpoints available to the consumer? I cannot understand facts like this, and I think it is enormously hypocritical to stand by acting like I don't understand things like the events at VT when I am surrounded by people (some idiots) with enormous amounts of firepower. I have met people that I wouldn't feel comfortable driving to the store with for fear of them snapping in the five minutes it takes to get there, and yet you go in their bedroom and it is like Eric Harris's closet. How do these people get guns, and more importantly what the hell has to happen to stop it?

[MudBug]

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

Oh, so our nation's rate of murders and gun violence has nothing to do with the fact that a 21 year old kid with no credentials can go to a gun show and pick up an AK and some hollowpoints. My bad

Why does it have to be "Gun" violence? Violence is violence, it has nothing to do with the instument of that violence. Maybe you should check out how gun control has worked for the U.K. and Austrailia. I know for a fact that violence is up in both places, the one number off the top of my head is that Armed Assualt is up 44% in Australia since their fairly recent gun ban.

The biggest source of gun related deaths and assualts in this country have nothing to do with the weapon, and everything to do with the culture of the people commiting the crimes. That source is gangs. the Brady Bunch crowd likes to point to the high number of gun assults/murders of young men in this country as part of the reasoning for gun bans, but the majority of those assualts/deaths are directly related to gangs, these are criminals shooting criminals.

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

I try to keep my politics far from the confines of this car forum, but for the sake of a greater understanding of the topic lets let her rip... this whole situation reminded me of why I have always been a believer in strict gun control. If you're even mildly versed in American history you know why guns will never leave the American cultural landscape. This country was founded on musketballs. However, there is also a serious problem with the availability of guns in this country, both black market and "regulated." For example, why the hell are hollowpoints available to the consumer? I cannot understand facts like this, and I think it is enormously hypocritical to stand by acting like I don't understand things like the events at VT when I am surrounded by people (some idiots) with enormous amounts of firepower. I have met people that I wouldn't feel comfortable driving to the store with for fear of them snapping in the five minutes it takes to get there, and yet you go in their bedroom and it is like Eric Harris's closet. How do these people get guns, and more importantly what the hell has to happen to stop it?

So, seriously, you want to be treated like a 5 year old your whole life? Cuz what you are advocating is the same thing. Rules, rules, and more rules to keep us from hurting each other, to keep us from sticking a fork in an outlet, to keep us from walking across the street to pet the crazy dog, to keep us from drinking the draino under the sink.

At what point do you feel you are able to care for yourself without mommy.GOV taking care of you? At what point do you feel the individual should be blamed for their actions and punished as opposed to our culture being to blame, put on trial, and convicted to life without the basic freedoms the Founding Fathers wrote about in the BOR and Federalist Papers?

How do you sleep knowing that guys like me are out there right now? Gun toting lovers of the freedoms this country was founded on, training and participating in practical shooting sports.

I've owned guns since I was 10 years old, most of my friends are the same. That's 34 years with evil guns in my possesion, and I have never shot a single person, not one. The only people I do know that have shot someone are cops, Military, or PMC's though I do know a few civilians that have used guns to protect themselves, and one that used the AR15 he carries in his truck to stop a rape (no shots fired)

you need to be concerned about bad people, not the tools they use, cuz stabbed to death with a screwdriver is still dead.

[ChinoCharles]

MudBug, a high school debate team student would eat you for lunch. Don't argue if you're so dead set in your ways that you have lost the capacity to modify your mindset. Then you're just preaching.

[MudBug]

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

MudBug, a high school debate team student would eat you for lunch. Don't argue if you're so dead set in your ways that you have lost the capacity to modify your mindset. Then you're just preaching.

What gave you the idea I was debating you? And why would I modify my mindset when I'm right and you are wrong?


So just out of curiosity, let's see if you can "Eat me for lunch"

I'll try to see your side of this, though I hope I can do it without having to find out what the inside of my ass smells like since IMHO the only way I can see this subject the way gun-banner's do is with my head fully inserted in my crap locker.

[PetersRedYaris]

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

Oh, so our nation's rate of murders and gun violence has nothing to do with the fact that a 21 year old kid with no credentials can go to a gun show and pick up an AK and some hollowpoints. My bad.

I try to keep my politics far from the confines of this car forum, but for the sake of a greater understanding of the topic lets let her rip... this whole situation reminded me of why I have always been a believer in strict gun control. If you're even mildly versed in American history you know why guns will never leave the American cultural landscape. This country was founded on musketballs. However, there is also a serious problem with the availability of guns in this country, both black market and "regulated." For example, why the hell are hollowpoints available to the consumer? I cannot understand facts like this, and I think it is enormously hypocritical to stand by acting like I don't understand things like the events at VT when I am surrounded by people (some idiots) with enormous amounts of firepower. I have met people that I wouldn't feel comfortable driving to the store with for fear of them snapping in the five minutes it takes to get there, and yet you go in their bedroom and it is like Eric Harris's closet. How do these people get guns, and more importantly what the hell has to happen to stop it?

Guns are not the problem. If you think think gun control will stop things like this from happening, your wrong. Most gun crimes are committed with illegally purchased guns, and gun control won't take those away. Analogy: Drugs are illegal, billions are spent every year trying to stop them, but if I wanted ANY drug, I could get within a day. It's everywhere and if you want it you can get it.
Secondly, why take away the rights of millions of law abbiding citizens when they did nothing wrong? Maybe we should make alcohol illegal too as more alcohol related deaths were reported last year than gun related deaths.
Lastly, Guns don't kill people, people kill people. These "crazies" will still find a way if thats what they want to do.
It comes down to Americans being lazy, spoiled, bitches with a "Life is so hard/unfair" attitude. Americans above all have the right to be stupid, and sadly, far to many exercise that right. Americans get everything they want, and when they don't, it's Columbine all over again.

[MudBug]

PRY, good bringing up the drug thing. I wrote this in response to this subject just yesterday on another forum

You know Heroin and Cocaine are illegal here in the states, there has been a whole military force built up around fighting the scourge of hardcore drugs use, importation, and sales. Billions of dollars are spent every years and our rights have been stomped on to maintain this "War on Drugs"

Yet........


I can go down town and buy a gram of heroin and an eight-ball of coke Right Fucking Now for less than these drugs cost just 10 years ago.


All those billions of dollars, the militarization of officer friendly, high tech surveillance, and twisting of laws has done nothing but make Cocaine and Heroin easier and cheaper to get, as long as you don't mind breaking the law.

[brickhardmeat]

bigger government and more laws never stops homicidal maniacs or gangstas from getting guns and killing people

as a matter of fact bigger government and more laws hasn't done s*&t to make my life any better