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sqcomp · 07-08-2012, 06:57 PM

That proposed hole is VERY close to the glass...that's the challenge. Know that the hole is only the size of a tweeter. Can a right angle adaptor give enough torque to drive a hole saw?

The dremel idea may be the best at the moment.

:) whadyamean you can't angle a sawzall in there?!? :)

07typeS · 07-08-2012, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

That proposed hole is VERY close to the glass...that's the challenge. Know that the hole is only the size of a tweeter. Can a right angle adaptor give enough torque to drive a hole saw?

The dremel idea may be the best at the moment.

:) whadyamean you can't angle a sawzall in there?!? :)

well aslong as there is no glass directly behind you're proposed hole, drill a centered pilot hole, and the hole saw will stay perfectly on line.. Ive seen one drift when dont that way..

But i get the hesitation.. I guess the dremel probably is the way you would wanna go..

And if you do try the sawzall, please get it on video!!!! haha

derickveliz2 · 07-08-2012, 11:11 PM

Some thing like a hole saw mentioned above is what I had in mind, Yes a dremel may be the power tool, now because of the angle of the a-pillar the dremel will not be exactly perpendicular to the cut, I hope that would not be an issue.

I'll stop by tomorrow at the local store and see if I can find a hole saw that fits the size of the hole that I need.

Thanks

D.

sqcomp · 07-09-2012, 02:45 AM

It's not the bit I'm concerned with in using a hole saw that close to the glass...

If you think a dremel is too big, a drill body is massive...one needs to get the hole saw bit straight on just like the dremel. Can you squeeze yourself into a good place on that dash to hit the pillar straight on with either option?

sqcomp · 07-09-2012, 11:20 AM

I hate drilling into metal...

derickveliz2 · 07-09-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sqcomp

I hate drilling into metal...

Me too! I'm going to confirm that in a few minutes!

D.

derickveliz2 · 07-10-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 07typeS

And if you do try the sawzall, please get it on video!!!! haha

I did it! I did it!

Video1:*It was so easy that I took my phone for a video!

Video 2: Without holding my cell phone for video I could probably have done it in less than half of the time..

D.

derickveliz2 · 07-10-2012, 01:23 AM

OK, this was so EASY, just like a hot knife on butter! best $15 bucks spent.

Now I have left tweeter as far forward and far to the left I possible can! I gain 5 inches and that's a lot! the distance from my left ear to tweeter now is 48" it used to be 43".

Stage is wider and deeper already!
Probably 5 inches sound meaningless, but you should hear the difference that it makes.

Picture 1: the a-pillar after cutting the metal

Picture 2: Tweeter in place! NICE! I'm happy.

D.

sickpuppy1 · 07-10-2012, 06:41 AM

What about the aiming? Looks like its down at the dash....

sqcomp · 07-10-2012, 09:49 AM

The aiming axis at that point will only have a minor effect. The gain Derick has from physical location is going to override the angle for the most part. What I'm going to be interested to see is how the mounting is integrated with the a pillar.

I see that mount is deep...really deep in there. What say you Derick? This may be a good experiment for horn loading...

sqcomp · 07-10-2012, 09:52 AM

Sand down those edges on that metal, run that wire...are you going to surround the mounting hole with some deadening to reduce resonances? How's the tweeter going to be mounted?

derickveliz2 · 07-11-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sqcomp

What I'm going to be interested to see is how the mounting is integrated with the a pillar.

I see that mount is deep...really deep in there. What say you Derick? This may be a good experiment for horn loading...

Yeah me too! I'm thinking about cutting a big section (hole) in the lower part of the a-pillar and build up a big open horn shape from the tweeter's base to the opening of the a-pillar, I'm not sure how to accomplish that, but I'll dig into it.

D.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Sand down those edges on that metal, run that wire...are you going to surround the mounting hole with some deadening to reduce resonances? How's the tweeter going to be mounted?

Yes will deaden the area, I will use a thin sheet of wood/balsa wood or even MLV as baffle into the metal.

D.

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sqcomp · 07-11-2012, 08:48 PM

Baffling into the metal...I wish I could be out there with you to help. I think between the two of us we could make this happen REALLY quickly.

*sigh*

Using some substrate you can drill into using the L1v2's mounting holes. I'm thinking even a 1/4" pan head would be fine and not kick too far into the metal depending on the thickness of the substrate.

I'd say make a couple rings out of balsa that are juuuuusssst slightly larger than the outer diameter of the tweeter and then reverse the technique we've used to make the original pillars. Build in instead of out.

Thoughts?

derickveliz2 · 07-11-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sqcomp

........and then reverse the technique we've used to make the original pillars. Build in instead of out.

Thoughts?

You read my mind!

D.

sickpuppy1 · 07-11-2012, 11:24 PM

Kind of a speaker mounted in a funnel. Interesting.....Hey, what about using a funnel! lol

sickpuppy1 · 07-11-2012, 11:26 PM

By angleing the cut on the material you could still aim it a bit if needed. If nothing else it would be a cheap way to experiment.

sickpuppy1 · 07-11-2012, 11:27 PM

Would it have a megaphone effect though if not treated or coated....

derickveliz2 · 07-11-2012, 11:32 PM

Hilser Funnel in process... kind of!

pictures of the cut out section soon...

Hilser Funnel

D.

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07-08-2012, 06:57 PM	#1999
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	That proposed hole is VERY close to the glass...that's the challenge. Know that the hole is only the size of a tweeter. Can a right angle adaptor give enough torque to drive a hole saw? The dremel idea may be the best at the moment. :) whadyamean you can't angle a sawzall in there?!? :) __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-08-2012, 11:11 PM	#2001
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Some thing like a hole saw mentioned above is what I had in mind, Yes a dremel may be the power tool, now because of the angle of the a-pillar the dremel will not be exactly perpendicular to the cut, I hope that would not be an issue. I'll stop by tomorrow at the local store and see if I can find a hole saw that fits the size of the hole that I need. Thanks D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

07-09-2012, 02:45 AM	#2002
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	It's not the bit I'm concerned with in using a hole saw that close to the glass... If you think a dremel is too big, a drill body is massive...one needs to get the hole saw bit straight on just like the dremel. Can you squeeze yourself into a good place on that dash to hit the pillar straight on with either option? __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-09-2012, 11:20 AM	#2003
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	I hate drilling into metal... __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine Last edited by sqcomp; 07-09-2012 at 10:32 PM.

07-10-2012, 01:23 AM	#2006
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	OK, this was so EASY, just like a hot knife on butter! best $15 bucks spent. Now I have left tweeter as far forward and far to the left I possible can! I gain 5 inches and that's a lot! the distance from my left ear to tweeter now is 48" it used to be 43". Stage is wider and deeper already! Probably 5 inches sound meaningless, but you should hear the difference that it makes. Picture 1: the a-pillar after cutting the metal Picture 2: Tweeter in place! NICE! I'm happy. D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

07-10-2012, 06:41 AM	#2007
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	What about the aiming? Looks like its down at the dash.... __________________

07-10-2012, 09:49 AM	#2008
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	The aiming axis at that point will only have a minor effect. The gain Derick has from physical location is going to override the angle for the most part. What I'm going to be interested to see is how the mounting is integrated with the a pillar. I see that mount is deep...really deep in there. What say you Derick? This may be a good experiment for horn loading... __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-10-2012, 09:52 AM	#2009
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Sand down those edges on that metal, run that wire...are you going to surround the mounting hole with some deadening to reduce resonances? How's the tweeter going to be mounted? __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-11-2012, 08:48 PM	#2011
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Baffling into the metal...I wish I could be out there with you to help. I think between the two of us we could make this happen REALLY quickly. sigh Using some substrate you can drill into using the L1v2's mounting holes. I'm thinking even a 1/4" pan head would be fine and not kick too far into the metal depending on the thickness of the substrate. I'd say make a couple rings out of balsa that are juuuuusssst slightly larger than the outer diameter of the tweeter and then reverse the technique we've used to make the original pillars. Build in instead of out. Thoughts? __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

07-11-2012, 11:24 PM	#2013
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Kind of a speaker mounted in a funnel. Interesting.....Hey, what about using a funnel! lol __________________

07-11-2012, 11:26 PM	#2014
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	By angleing the cut on the material you could still aim it a bit if needed. If nothing else it would be a cheap way to experiment. __________________

07-11-2012, 11:27 PM	#2015
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Would it have a megaphone effect though if not treated or coated.... __________________

07-11-2012, 11:32 PM	#2016
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Hilser Funnel in process... kind of! pictures of the cut out section soon... Hilser Funnel D. . __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

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