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Altitude · 08-19-2009, 12:39 AM

I consider the number of uninsured to be secondary to the primary issue which is cost. Even if we had 100% coverage in the private sector that still doesn't change the fact that getting sick or injured shouldn't result in bankruptcy or that insurance companies shouldn't be able to deny a claim or drop your coverage in favor of a profit. It's morally and ethically wrong is so many ways.

I find it so hypocritical that the conservatives and republicans who would otherwise be spouting about ethics, morality, family values and Christian beliefs are the ones trying to bring down this policy. A policy that would have a far greater impact on the health and wealth of families in this country than any scrap of a trickle down tax cut for the wealthy.

ChinoCharles · 08-19-2009, 09:35 AM

Altitude, the White House is going to repackage their message to echo the sentiment you just said. Expect a lot of talk about the "moral imperative" of health care reform in the coming weeks.

Also, if you need a laugh, you have to see this clip. Its brilliant.
http://blog.chinocharles.com/2009/08...he-smack-down/

Darb · 08-19-2009, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

Also, if you need a laugh, you have to see this clip. Its brilliant.
http://blog.chinocharles.com/2009/08...he-smack-down/

Awesome.

Also, it seems people need a refresher course on history...

ChinoCharles · 08-19-2009, 10:10 AM

The term "refresher" implies some previous understanding...

Darb · 08-19-2009, 10:34 AM

True.

(Sorry to re-invoke Godwin's Law.) It seems those who are quick to equate Obama to Hitler conveniently forget that some of the first prisoners of concentration camps were political opponents. Namely members of the KPD or the SPD, Germany's Communist and Social Democratic parties.

mo_feezy · 08-19-2009, 10:43 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKS0hW_-kvA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcRr5xA-K80

Darb · 08-19-2009, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mo_feezy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKS0hW_-kvA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcRr5xA-K80

For some reason the sound on either is broke.

Kal-El · 08-19-2009, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

Also, if you need a laugh, you have to see this clip. Its brilliant.
http://blog.chinocharles.com/2009/08...he-smack-down/

I don't support the Hitler sentiments toward Obama but does anyone notice the difference in the acceptance of such attacks made of Bush but now with Obama it is totally unacceptable.

Why is there always a double standard between parties?

It's the same double standard that allowed liberals to protest the wars for 8 years (many of them violent) while peaceful conservative protests being conducted now are considered dangerous.

mo_feezy · 08-19-2009, 11:58 PM

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allowed liberals to protest the wars for 8 years

are you serious? they made protesters go to "free speech zones" and people were arrested for anti-Bush t-shirts.

now we have people with assault rifles and signs designed to bastardize famous quotes in an obvious threat of violence towards the president, AT presidential events, and they aren't even arrested.

Originally Posted by mo_feezy View Post

Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKS0hW_-kvA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcRr5xA-K80
For some reason the sound on either is broke.

it seems the first one has been removed. It was an Israeli man talking about how great the health care system is in Israel, and a protester shouts "heil hitler" to him and he shouts at her for yelling that at a jew. The second video is the woman who shouted it being interviewed. Claiming she believes in "biblical values" (apparently like yelling "heil hitler" at jews). Not sure why the sound wasn't working. it works for me. You should be able to find these clips from other sources, there was lots of buzz around this today.

ChinoCharles · 08-20-2009, 12:23 AM

No, see, there is no double standard. I don't care what American president it refers to. Its equally stupid either way.

Please don't post that garbage on these forums. I removed it for obvious reasons.

Bob Dog · 08-20-2009, 01:25 AM

I saw that 17 year old class president of my high school beaten bloody by Nixon's thugs for protesting an earlier war many years ago. At the time I was quite shocked. Peaceful conservtives perhaps like the NRA folks pulling out their pistols and shaking them at people. Kal-El you are not only adamant, but quite self deluded.

elmo · 08-20-2009, 08:34 AM

i am a member of the NRA and i really find it hard to believe and NRA member would point a gun at someone and NOT actually shoot them. (give me a source) the NRA members i know kinda like to keep a low profile but i don't think it would be wise to fuck with them

Bob Dog · 08-20-2009, 11:55 AM

I have real some good friends who are members and hunt with a guy whose a member myself, but there is a definite lunatic fringe in the organization, and a fair number of hot headed bully boys as well. You know as well as I do that a gun need not be pointed at someone to be used as an instrument of intimidation.

TLyttle · 08-20-2009, 12:17 PM

Frightening.....

RedRide · 08-20-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dog

I have real some good friends who are members and hunt with a guy whose a member myself, but there is a definite lunatic fringe in the organization, and a fair number of hot headed bully boys as well. You know as well as I do that a gun need not be pointed at someone to be used as an instrument of intimidation.

Exactly.

BTW, I'm not an ARA member, nor do I currently own any guns although I have in the past.

However, I sincerly believe that if the police are the only ones to have guns, we are all in serious trouble!

Bob Dog · 08-20-2009, 04:38 PM

An unarmed populace with an armed govenment is an incipient police state, but a populace that out guns the powers of authority is incipient anarchy. I personally am not fond of guns. We hunt to control an over abundance garden eatting, accident causing deer, and secondarily to fill our freezers with fine, organic meat. I find gun sport, when separate from hunting to be loud, rude and annoying in proximity to any populated area. A gun is a tool like a chainsaw, it will do a certain job better than any other tool but it is a dangerous tool, and only fools play with them like they are toys. As to the NRA, they are basically a tool of the weapons industry and I want nothing to do with them.

SailDesign · 08-20-2009, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dog

<huge snip>
As to the NRA, they are basically a tool of the weapons industry and I want nothing to do with them.

+1
I enjoy target shooting (little paper tagets, 25 or 50 yard range, .22 LR) and the only way, apparently, to shoot competitively in this country (US) is to belong to the NRA. So I don't shoot competitively. Having grown up in England, my view of firearms ownership and "rights" is a little different from theirs.
I also want nothing to do with them.

TLyttle · 08-20-2009, 09:54 PM

+2

In my (much) younger days, I was 2 points away from going to a national shoot, and that was BEFORE I got the glasses I needed. I have never seen a need to own or fire a gun since then, and most of my contemporaries have seen a need either; maybe it's a Canadian thing...

I am totally puzzled by the American attitude towards firearms, and I will likely never understand.

08-19-2009, 10:34 AM	#239
Darb Bear Traffic Controller Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,833	True. (Sorry to re-invoke Godwin's Law.) It seems those who are quick to equate Obama to Hitler conveniently forget that some of the first prisoners of concentration camps were political opponents. Namely members of the KPD or the SPD, Germany's Communist and Social Democratic parties. __________________ Darryl Kids Playing Chase On Freeways Get Smashed.

08-20-2009, 11:55 AM	#247
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	I have real some good friends who are members and hunt with a guy whose a member myself, but there is a definite lunatic fringe in the organization, and a fair number of hot headed bully boys as well. You know as well as I do that a gun need not be pointed at someone to be used as an instrument of intimidation. Last edited by Bob Dog; 08-20-2009 at 12:07 PM.

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08-19-2009, 12:39 AM	#235
Altitude Drives: '08 LB MT Bayou Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,671	I consider the number of uninsured to be secondary to the primary issue which is cost. Even if we had 100% coverage in the private sector that still doesn't change the fact that getting sick or injured shouldn't result in bankruptcy or that insurance companies shouldn't be able to deny a claim or drop your coverage in favor of a profit. It's morally and ethically wrong is so many ways. I find it so hypocritical that the conservatives and republicans who would otherwise be spouting about ethics, morality, family values and Christian beliefs are the ones trying to bring down this policy. A policy that would have a far greater impact on the health and wealth of families in this country than any scrap of a trickle down tax cut for the wealthy.

08-19-2009, 09:35 AM	#236
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	Altitude, the White House is going to repackage their message to echo the sentiment you just said. Expect a lot of talk about the "moral imperative" of health care reform in the coming weeks. Also, if you need a laugh, you have to see this clip. Its brilliant. http://blog.chinocharles.com/2009/08...he-smack-down/

08-19-2009, 10:10 AM	#238
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	The term "refresher" implies some previous understanding...

08-19-2009, 10:43 AM	#240
mo_feezy Drives: 08 Yaris S Sedan AT Black Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Salina, KS Posts: 55	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKS0hW_-kvA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcRr5xA-K80

08-20-2009, 12:23 AM	#244
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	No, see, there is no double standard. I don't care what American president it refers to. Its equally stupid either way. Please don't post that garbage on these forums. I removed it for obvious reasons.

08-20-2009, 01:25 AM	#245
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	I saw that 17 year old class president of my high school beaten bloody by Nixon's thugs for protesting an earlier war many years ago. At the time I was quite shocked. Peaceful conservtives perhaps like the NRA folks pulling out their pistols and shaking them at people. Kal-El you are not only adamant, but quite self deluded.

08-20-2009, 08:34 AM	#246
elmo WFO Drives: 2008 hb Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: E. Tennessee Posts: 190	i am a member of the NRA and i really find it hard to believe and NRA member would point a gun at someone and NOT actually shoot them. (give me a source) the NRA members i know kinda like to keep a low profile but i don't think it would be wise to fuck with them

08-20-2009, 12:17 PM	#248
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	Frightening.....

08-20-2009, 04:38 PM	#250
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	An unarmed populace with an armed govenment is an incipient police state, but a populace that out guns the powers of authority is incipient anarchy. I personally am not fond of guns. We hunt to control an over abundance garden eatting, accident causing deer, and secondarily to fill our freezers with fine, organic meat. I find gun sport, when separate from hunting to be loud, rude and annoying in proximity to any populated area. A gun is a tool like a chainsaw, it will do a certain job better than any other tool but it is a dangerous tool, and only fools play with them like they are toys. As to the NRA, they are basically a tool of the weapons industry and I want nothing to do with them.

08-20-2009, 09:54 PM	#252
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	+2 In my (much) younger days, I was 2 points away from going to a national shoot, and that was BEFORE I got the glasses I needed. I have never seen a need to own or fire a gun since then, and most of my contemporaries have seen a need either; maybe it's a Canadian thing... I am totally puzzled by the American attitude towards firearms, and I will likely never understand.