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10-11-2009, 01:25 AM | #19 |
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10-11-2009, 01:43 AM | #20 |
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For the reverse shudder, I learned slowly let out the clutch, and gas a bit more at the same time. That helps for a smooth reverse. Yeah it seems like you will be clutch burning, but very little to even make an impact....
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10-11-2009, 02:01 AM | #21 |
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i got used to starting without shuddering while giving the least amount of gas pedal action, but holy fuck...when I am in reverse gear it shudders like mad unless I give it a lot. lol...
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10-11-2009, 02:12 AM | #22 |
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10-12-2009, 02:58 PM | #23 |
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My liftback w/ manual just started this in the last month and it's very intermittent. The first time I noticed it was when it was raining so I thought that had something to do with it but I've noticed it when the engine/transmission is cold or warm and when the weather is wet or dry.
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10-12-2009, 03:23 PM | #24 |
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I agree with the previous posts that this seems to be related to clutch-engagement timing and rpm's rather than a design or clutch flaw. I've had no problems in either gear in 16,000 miles.
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10-12-2009, 04:03 PM | #25 |
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I don't get the shudder but Yaris's 1st and reverse are horrible IMO, 1st especially is really touchy. OK, maybe not horrible but not the greatest.
To engage smoothly in 1st, I find that I need to give it a little more gas than I would in another car. |
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It also helps to make sure the car is at a dead stop before throwing it in reverse. Puts less resistance on the clutch and avoids the embarrassing scraping sound
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10-13-2009, 04:16 AM | #27 |
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Doesn't make sense though. The revs jump to the same point on the RPM gauge. Still shudders when its cold, and stops when its warm.
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10-13-2009, 04:35 AM | #28 |
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Like I said, drop the clutch much more slowly
I'm sure alot of other manual cars have the same issue, just like the sluggishness before the engine warms up
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10-13-2009, 01:03 PM | #29 | |
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The OP never said it only happened when it was cold, at least not that I saw. That leads me to believe it's driver error, not a component flaw. |
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10-14-2009, 01:28 PM | #30 |
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I noticed the same thing in my 2008 5speed Sedan, more so in reverse. I had to let off the clutch very slowly and really give it some gas to reverse w/o the car shaking and jerking. So really, I had to reverse with some speed, which isn't always possible when backing up. I just traded the sedan in for a 2010 5dr 5speed and starting off in 1st and reverse is much more smooth, as is shifting in general. I don't know if it's something Toyota improved since 08 & 09 but I am pleasantly surprised.
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to avoid the shudder i just gun it in 1st gear and try not to even use reverse if possible. like others have said, it does seem that 1st shudders a bit less when the car has had time to warm up but doesn't help the shudder in reverse.
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10-15-2009, 12:56 AM | #32 |
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Happens in first but not in reverse. I usually just throw the clutch back towards the floor, jam the gas, and release much faster
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10-15-2009, 01:58 AM | #33 |
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If you are used to driving a 5 speed, it goes away just as quickly as you can learn to properly feather the Yaris' clutch
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Thats assuming hes a bad driver, which you couldn't possibly know for fact. |
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10-15-2009, 10:23 AM | #35 |
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my car is a pain to put in reverse, very unforgiving compared to any other gear; even at complete standstill it sometimes won't drop into gear properly, or worse if I'm rolling even an inch you hear it scratch and chatter as it engages. once it is engaged, it's fine and dandy and feels solid.
in the morning, my first gear is very loosey goosey and does not grab well, but what I think the OP is experiencing is that the clutch not being fully engaged into position, and what's happening is probably slipping as you rev out expecting it to catch. I ride first gear partially engaged for a second or two, which seems to help (and I don't rev out hard unless I know it's fully engaged, and you'll know because if it isn't it will chatter and shudder like that or you'll have seemingly less pickup and smell hell for the next few minutes). |
10-15-2009, 11:13 AM | #36 |
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I just hate the Yaris' clutch. Way too light and just horrible. You definately need to rev it more in first gear than any other car i've driven. I can't tell you how many times I've stalled it... grrr.
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