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It's all about a the modding culture. Plus the car gets awesome gas mileage to boot.
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Personally I bought springs first then a sway bar later. The stiffer suspension and lower center of gravity makes the car feel a lot better in curves and look sportier. However, Loren knows a lot about these kind of things, so if looks are more important then at the limit handling, then get springs, if you plan on doing autox or hard maneuvers, follow Loren's advice... (this is my opinion any ways)
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Now from a "practical" point of view, the Swaybar is good sense, in that a more nuetral car is a safer car without sacrificing ride quality. Thats the way I'm going....that and a nice tint job, but thats a different thread isnt it?
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not sure what you are referring to.. (i commented with pics on a tint thread earlier did i goof up? I dont see any thing...) also... a sway bar causes less under-steer, which is the opposite of safer... Quote:
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OK... I just read that thread, and found it very informative. A lot of knowledge here. The problem is, this is one of those situations where the more you learn, the more you're confused.
I do not autox or anything... just regular road driving, although I enjoy pretty "spirited" driving when conditions are safe for it. I'm not sure if the amount of body roll I feel when cornering is enough to make it worth getting a rear sway bar; it doesn't bother me, but I don't know if I'm used to it or not. I think I have pushed it near "the limits" on curves, but it hasn't felt like it was understeering to me... and I feel in control through those corners. This is probably totally irrelevant, but could the longer wheelbase of the sedan vs. the hatchback mean that understeer and roll could be less pronounced in the sedan? |
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well the wheelbase is like 3.5 inches longer on the sedan, so I cant imagine that would affect it much. according to my limited knowledge, body roll is a product of the stiffness of the suspension along with things like sway bars. springs will give you a stiffer suspension, causing less compression of the suspension on the side of the car on the outside of the turn. The sway bar transfers force to the opposite side of the car, by physically linking them.
Under-steer is where you have to turn the wheel further then the angle of the turn you are making, because you are losing traction on the turning wheels (common on fwd cars, since both acceleration and turning has to happen with the same set of wheels) Of course I am a relative noob, so this is just what I've gathered from the little experience I've had. If I am wrong, I hope someone else will enlighten both of us :D
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Thanks Loren, that's a great point. I guess it is the whole "wondering about the unknown" factor that got me thinking about this (sway bar or lowering springs) in the first place... about whether it could be even better.
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"Better" is an interesting concept. You're not driving anywhere near the limits of the car as it sits. What's the point of "better" in that instance?
It's like having a car that is capable of accelerating from 0-60 in 6 second, but NEVER doing so. Instead, you drive it gingerly, accelerating at the typical pace of traffic. "Better" would be to modify it to make more power and be capable of accelerating to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds... but WHY? Honestly, your best course of action: Invest in a kick-ass set of performance tires. There are no downsides to that, and unlike suspension changes, they'll also help the car to STOP better when you need it to. |
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Good point, but not sure how to know it's nowhere near the limits now. As I said, I think I have pushed it near "the limits" on curves (based on speed and the tightness of the turn)... but just that I still felt in control and that understeer didn't seem to be an issue. Thanks for the idea about better tires too.
As far as the downsides you mentioned... do you think swar bars' main downside is the potential to cause oversteer when unexpected? And how about the downsides of lowering springs in comparison? Thanks again. |
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You know your pushing the car to the limits when you hear the tires squeeling and begging for mercy :)
And you can avoid oversteer. It's called don't turn hard and sharp while going as fast as you shouldn't be. |
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If you want to learn the limits of your car, the street isn't the place to do it. Search for autocross events in your area.
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