New subcompacts for 2009, 2010

[Thirty-Nine]

Originally Posted by kargoboy

I am not knocking Hondas, they are a very good car, but
here's just one comparative description that strikes me as the typical Honda bias:

The Yaris gets "decent mileage" - 35 mpg highway
but the Fit has "great fuel economy" - 35 mpg highway

LOL.

Okay, so maybe "decent" and "great" aren't necessarily the same. Jeez -- everyone's a proofreader.

[kargoboy]

Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

Okay, so maybe "decent" and "great" aren't necessarily the same. Jeez -- everyone's a proofreader.

Hehe, that's why we're here, you're welcome.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Btw, I sorta skimmed through that.
1) its ONE car.

Well, you are correct about that, it was one car. One car that was horribly laid out by Honda Japan. I've poked my nose into others and have seen similar disasters.

Not to worry, I've looked under the hoods of modern GMs, Fords and Chryslers. They're even worse. I watched two guys make a month long project out of a head gasket in 1990s era Pontiac Grand Am.

They refused to touch my Honda. "Too much time".

In contrast they did the MacPherson struts in a lady's 1990 era Camry in just thirty minutes. Both sides, no alignment required. That was what sold me on Toyotas.

Originally Posted by ddongbap

2) you could have just bought a brand new engine.

Bought a brand new car instead.

Originally Posted by ddongbap

So okay, you're from the east coast, and you're pretty one sided. Is it safe to assume all people from your area is one sided?

I have strong opinions about how stuff is laid out in a product. It's my professional attitude about manufactured goods.

What do you do for a living, Dongdap? You ever make anything professionally?

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Even though most people probably had model or rebuilds in the last 10 years?

Like I said, we'll see when I get to the Honda Stealership.

Gene

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Well, you are correct about that, it was one car. One car that was horribly laid out by Honda Japan. I've poked my nose into others and have seen similar disasters.

Not to worry, I've looked under the hoods of modern GMs, Fords and Chryslers. They're even worse. I watched two guys make a month long project out of a head gasket in 1990s era Pontiac Grand Am.

They refused to touch my Honda. "Too much time".

In contrast they did the MacPherson struts in a lady's 1990 era Camry in just thirty minutes. Both sides, no alignment required. That was what sold me on Toyotas.




Bought a brand new car instead.



I have strong opinions about how stuff is laid out in a product. It's my professional attitude about manufactured goods.

What do you do for a living, Dongdap? You ever make anything professionally?



Like I said, we'll see when I get to the Honda Stealership.

Gene

Ugh. This is going to go no where.

Can't debate with someone who's close minded.

Btw, do you get mad when your meal isn't fast enough at McDonalds?

What do you do for a living, Dongdap?

I'm a hustler baby, I just want you to know.

and please, its ddongbap. get it right, son.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Can't debate with someone who's close minded.

Now what do you mean by "close minded"? You've piqued my curiosity.

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

Okay, so maybe "decent" and "great" aren't necessarily the same. Jeez -- everyone's a proofreader.

There is a sense amongst some of us here that Hondas get an unfair shake in the press. Consumer Reports glows about them, and as a result the rest of the "automotive press" seems to follow suit.

When you examine some of the essential points of comparison the two cars are not that much different... except the luggage space.

2009 models, 5 speed manual

Honda Fit Toyota Yaris Percent to Yaris

City 27 29 6.9%

Highway 33 35 5.7%

Combined 29 31 6.4%

(mpg)
EPA pollution regs are identifical between the two

"Greenhouse 6.34 5.94 -6.7%
Gasses"

(tons/year)

Passenger 90.813 84.16 -7.9%
Volume

Luggage 20.644 12.769 -62%

Cubic
feet
Volume

source http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/Index.do

Gene

[bdc87]

I like the looks of the new fiesta, but the IQ is what I'm anticipating the most.