What I've Learned From...

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

So who is to assign Sunday to First Day, and Saturday to Seventh Day?

go look at your calendar buddy.. i don't understand why people have a problem getting their head around this.

[Tamago]

what does an dyslexic agnostic insomniac to at night?

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Tamago

what does an dyslexic agnostic insomniac to at night?

he lies in bed sleepless wondering if there really is a dog

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tamago

what does an dyslexic agnostic insomniac to at night?

LMAO. You might want to add ADHD to that. hahahaha.

Sorry to those offended, I thought it was a funny joke.

[TLyttle]

These guys keep coming around to my place doing "God's Work", and sometimes they are just too goofy. Most of them are using religion as a crutch to help them through their sorry lives; beer works just as well.

My buddy just tells them he's Wiccan, and very happy with the lack of conflict his religion offers. They just buzz off...

[TinyGiant]

religion is what man basically does to relate with God. trusting in God and being religious can and usually are two different things.. Religion is more or less ritual. one thing Jesus spoke against was the mundane ritual relation they had with God. God wants us to have freedom in Christ and salvation.. he wants genuine connections not ritual.

here is a little useful something i found online a few min ago that can sorta outline that.(note i havent read any other stuff on this site so i dont know what you will find. but this seemed pretty spot on)

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org...k/religion.htm

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by TinyGiant

religion is what man basically does to relate with God. trusting in God and being religious can and usually are two different things.. Religion is more or less ritual. one thing Jesus spoke against was the mundane ritual relation they had with God. God wants us to have freedom in Christ and salvation.. he wants genuine connections not ritual.

here is a little useful something i found online a few min ago that can sorta outline that.(note i havent read any other stuff on this site so i dont know what you will find. but this seemed pretty spot on)

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org...k/religion.htm

Not what my ex's SDA group thinks. I've said it before to her, but she didn't accept it.

[TinyGiant]

RELIGION is man trying to BRING HIMSELF TO GOD (by human effort, good works, ritualism, traditionalism, sacraments, etc.).

CHRISTIANITY is Christ BRINGING US TO GOD on the basis of what He did for us on the cross (1 Peter 3:18).



I think its completely possible to not be religious and still believe in God. But on the contrary believing in God isnt all that needs to happen. Satan Believes in God. The Bible outlines that salvation is through Christ.

Look at when Jesus was on the cross. There were two theives up there with him. One of them said to Jesus that he knew he was the messaih.. Jesus told him that he would go to heaven that day. Its understanding that Christ saves us from our sins.. not the rest of the religious stuff.. Jesus didn't say to him.. sorry chum.. there is no time today to get baptized.. or well today is a friday.. and you have to go to church at least once.. being nailed there.. i dont think your going to make it. lol he belived and was saved through Christ's sacrifice.

I'm a Christian and have been since i was 5 been studying scripture ever since. its interesting and deeper than anything you'll ever read. But with anything people can twist scripture to fit what they want people to believe.

I had a summer long talk with the jehovah's witnesses last summer and was able to study thier beliefs.. which are nothing short of cultic. they litterally change words in the scriptures and demand that all of the JW are not allowed to study scripture without elders there to guide them. basically they arent allowed to see the truth at all since they have to be spoon fed slop from the JW elders.

God gave us brains for a reason. He wants us to use them. not follow blindly but to search for him with our whole being. :)

Its good that you are using your head when dealing with a new church. Anytime i visit a church that i've never been to i always am on guard a little because you are never sure what you are going to come across.. there are alot of people who , with best intentions, are just a little off.

The fact that you are noticing how off they are proves you are on the right track :) We'll never have the answers and thats the faith that we need to have. But in the same respect we should always be searching and trying to learn as much as we can about God through the scripture :)

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by TinyGiant

RELIGION is man trying to BRING HIMSELF TO GOD (by human effort, good works, ritualism, traditionalism, sacraments, etc.).

CHRISTIANITY is Christ BRINGING US TO GOD on the basis of what He did for us on the cross (1 Peter 3:18).



I think its completely possible to not be religious and still believe in God. But on the contrary believing in God isnt all that needs to happen. Satan Believes in God. The Bible outlines that salvation is through Christ.

Look at when Jesus was on the cross. There were two theives up there with him. One of them said to Jesus that he knew he was the messaih.. Jesus told him that he would go to heaven that day. Its understanding that Christ saves us from our sins.. not the rest of the religious stuff.. Jesus didn't say to him.. sorry chum.. there is no time today to get baptized.. or well today is a friday.. and you have to go to church at least once.. being nailed there.. i dont think your going to make it. lol he belived and was saved through Christ's sacrifice.

I'm a Christian and have been since i was 5 been studying scripture ever since. its interesting and deeper than anything you'll ever read. But with anything people can twist scripture to fit what they want people to believe.

I had a summer long talk with the jehovah's witnesses last summer and was able to study thier beliefs.. which are nothing short of cultic. they litterally change words in the scriptures and demand that all of the JW are not allowed to study scripture without elders there to guide them. basically they arent allowed to see the truth at all since they have to be spoon fed slop from the JW elders.

God gave us brains for a reason. He wants us to use them. not follow blindly but to search for him with our whole being. :)

Its good that you are using your head when dealing with a new church. Anytime i visit a church that i've never been to i always am on guard a little because you are never sure what you are going to come across.. there are alot of people who , with best intentions, are just a little off.

The fact that you are noticing how off they are proves you are on the right track :) We'll never have the answers and thats the faith that we need to have. But in the same respect we should always be searching and trying to learn as much as we can about God through the scripture :)

I've always found your posts in my threads to be well said. But the things you and I believe in, SDA's refuse to believe in. They HAVE to believe in the bible, which brings me to think...

...in the bible, slavery is an okay thing. So, that means my ex's church leader should be enslaved? I'm sorry, but there are too many things that contradict in the bible for me to believe in it.

Also, on another note, the bible and/or SDA's say that the world's knowledge means nothing to God, correct? So tell me why in one of the their church meetings, they mention how scientists who conducted scientific research have found that breakfast is something needed by humans to stay healthy? I'm sorry, but didn't they just tell me that the world's knowledge is incorrect and means nothing? So why use science in their lectures?

Again, too many things wrong.


Furthermore, the last bible study, the leader mentions vines and wine, and says "what do you think of when you hear vines? Grapes." Ummm, no, I was actually thinking of plants that grow on walls, sticks, etc, like golden honeysuckles.

I hate it how their leader says that the bible interprets itself, but and uses another verse to interpret another verse, but uses his opinions and stuff (like that grape vine) on the verse that's interpreting the other. Umm, so that's not the bible interpreting itself, it's him that is.

[TinyGiant]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I've always found your posts in my threads to be well said. But the things you and I believe in, SDA's refuse to believe in. They HAVE to believe in the bible, which brings me to think...

...in the bible, slavery is an okay thing. So, that means my ex's church leader should be enslaved? I'm sorry, but there are too many things that contradict in the bible for me to believe in it.

Also, on another note, the bible and/or SDA's say that the world's knowledge means nothing to God, correct? So tell me why in one of the their church meetings, they mention how scientists who conducted scientific research have found that breakfast is something needed by humans to stay healthy? I'm sorry, but didn't they just tell me that the world's knowledge is incorrect and means nothing? So why use science in their lectures?

Again, too many things wrong.


Furthermore, the last bible study, the leader mentions vines and wine, and says "what do you think of when you hear vines? Grapes." Ummm, no, I was actually thinking of plants that grow on walls, sticks, etc, like golden honeysuckles.

I hate it how their leader says that the bible interprets itself, but and uses another verse to interpret another verse, but uses his opinions and stuff (like that grape vine) on the verse that's interpreting the other. Umm, so that's not the bible interpreting itself, it's him that is.

one thing alot of people misunderstand is that the bible was written with huge cultural context. Slavery wasnt as it was before the cival war days here in the US .. people or countries would be enslaved to a person or country who had conquered their land. Or people could actually sell themselves into slavery to pay off a debt or to give money to their family while they worked as slaves (manual labor to pay off debt) In many instances it wasnt voluntary.. or right but .. what i am saying is the bible was written with huge cultural points.

Some babtist and other legalistic denominations believe that a woman should always have long hair because the bible says that women should have a long hair or have thier heads covered in order to not be a distraction in church. what most people dont know is that prostitutes would shave their heads in those times and if one went to church bald it would get the men thinking of things they shouldnt be. and all people go to church should be seen on the same level.. we are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God. So for a women to cover her head it was more of a cultural thing than anything. This is one of the more interesting things of the bible is you can read it all you want .. but if you really want to understand it you have to dig back to the greek and understand the meanings and context in which things are said. these contexts and misunderstandings are where alot of churches and religions get off base.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by TinyGiant

one thing alot of people misunderstand is that the bible was written with huge cultural context. Slavery wasnt as it was before the cival war days here in the US .. people or countries would be enslaved to a person or country who had conquered their land. Or people could actually sell themselves into slavery to pay off a debt or to give money to their family while they worked as slaves (manual labor to pay off debt) In many instances it wasnt voluntary.. or right but .. what i am saying is the bible was written with huge cultural points.

Some babtist and other legalistic denominations believe that a woman should always have long hair because the bible says that women should have a long hair or have thier heads covered in order to not be a distraction in church. what most people dont know is that prostitutes would shave their heads in those times and if one went to church bald it would get the men thinking of things they shouldnt be. and all people go to church should be seen on the same level.. we are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God. So for a women to cover her head it was more of a cultural thing than anything. This is one of the more interesting things of the bible is you can read it all you want .. but if you really want to understand it you have to dig back to the greek and understand the meanings and context in which things are said. these contexts and misunderstandings are where alot of churches and religions get off base.

The same for the verse in the bible that states that women should not speak in church and if they want to learn anything, go home and ask their husbands. I mean, seriously, my ex's church leader makes it out that they have to follow everything the bible says, so why do I see women speaking in their church?

[TinyGiant]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I've always found your posts in my threads to be well said. But the things you and I believe in, SDA's refuse to believe in. They HAVE to believe in the bible, which brings me to think...

...in the bible, slavery is an okay thing. So, that means my ex's church leader should be enslaved? I'm sorry, but there are too many things that contradict in the bible for me to believe in it.

Also, on another note, the bible and/or SDA's say that the world's knowledge means nothing to God, correct? So tell me why in one of the their church meetings, they mention how scientists who conducted scientific research have found that breakfast is something needed by humans to stay healthy? I'm sorry, but didn't they just tell me that the world's knowledge is incorrect and means nothing? So why use science in their lectures?

Again, too many things wrong.


Furthermore, the last bible study, the leader mentions vines and wine, and says "what do you think of when you hear vines? Grapes." Ummm, no, I was actually thinking of plants that grow on walls, sticks, etc, like golden honeysuckles.

I hate it how their leader says that the bible interprets itself, but and uses another verse to interpret another verse, but uses his opinions and stuff (like that grape vine) on the verse that's interpreting the other. Umm, so that's not the bible interpreting itself, it's him that is.

i wish you lived around here. some friends of mine and I get together weekly and have open discussion about this sort of stuff .. we do it at a local resturant and its really a blast to discuss all sorts of stuff. a few weeks back we talked about the validity of scripture .. and it was very interesting people brought up the fact that the books of the bible were chosen by a group.. it wasnt like they chose from a hat .. but it led some people to question what if some books were left out? granted there are books and writings that defintely dont belong in the bible .. lol but it was interesting to talk about .. they also mentioned that the first new testament writings they have found date to like 150 ad or something .. so they werent the writings of the actual apostles.. but their accounts passed down and recorded later on. some of which it says is the actual words.. some maybe not

but God's ultimate strength and power would easily beable to give us what he wants to have in the bible. I believe that the scripture wouldnt have survived what it has been subject to and not be valid.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by TinyGiant

i wish you lived around here. some friends of mine and I get together weekly and have open discussion about this sort of stuff .. we do it at a local resturant and its really a blast to discuss all sorts of stuff. a few weeks back we talked about the validity of scripture .. and it was very interesting people brought up the fact that the books of the bible were chosen by a group.. it wasnt like they chose from a hat .. but it led some people to question what if some books were left out? granted there are books and writings that defintely dont belong in the bible .. lol but it was interesting to talk about .. they also mentioned that the first new testament writings they have found date to like 150 ad or something .. so they werent the writings of the actual apostles.. but their accounts passed down and recorded later on. some of which it says is the actual words.. some maybe not

but God's ultimate strength and power would easily beable to give us what he wants to have in the bible. I believe that the scripture wouldnt have survived what it has been subject to and not be valid.

That would be nice to eat and discuss, but this will have to do. I mean, I'm not saying the bible is bad, I'm just saying that I do not agree with some things it says. There are a lot of good in it, but there are some things that I consider to be wrong in it.

[Tamago]

i thought religious topics had been banned on yarisworld already.

[gokartride]

Well, in relation to the OP, some of the coolest, most aware people I have ever known were religious...but they were in universities or leaders/elders in some way. Very expansive thinkers...they knew the inner workings and dynamics of the full scope their religion, including how it could/is being abused. There are a lot of religious types I would be less inclined to listen to...but some of these folks are great!!!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by gokartride

Well, in relation to the OP, some of the coolest, most aware people I have ever known were religious...but they were in universities or leaders/elders in some way. Very expansive thinkers...they knew the inner workings and dynamics of the full scope their religion, including how it could/is being abused. There are a lot of religious types I would be less inclined to listen to...but some of these folks are great!!!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I hate religious people or religion for that matter. I just hate how people use religion to instill fear and hatred in people. I mean, come on, SDA's are HIGHLY against homosexuality. Ummm, isn't that being judgmental and hateful, which is against the bible?

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tamago

i thought religious topics had been banned on yarisworld already.

LOL. Religious and political topics get banned when they get out of hand. If they can be discussed in a civil manner, they do not need to be closed.

Good discussion with ya, btw.

[Tamago]

sounds like you have a problem with the people. the actual religion is not NEARLY as creepy as they're making it sound to you. shame you've met some retarded apples.