K&N Filters

[1stToyota]

Amsoil needs to get it in gear and release their Ea paper filter for the Yaris; guaranteed for 100K miles, and it's reusable...they say just vacuum it, shake it out, wipe down w/ soft bristle brush, etc...

Only cotton filter I ever liked was the one made by Green (big in Europe, I think)...its cotton was weaved, like bluejeans, not loose layering, and was supposed to filter better, but still not as good as paper.

[R2D2]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Amsoil needs to get it in gear and release their Ea paper filter for the Yaris; guaranteed for 100K miles, and it's reusable...they say just vacuum it, shake it out, wipe down w/ soft bristle brush, etc...

I couldn't agree more-those are great filters. I'd love to get my hands on one for a Yaris but I'm afflicted with this curse where they never offer one for the vehicles I end up buying!

R2

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 07WYarisRS

have you ever wondered why you never see a K&N filter on any stock machine?
if they were so great why don't they use them
Simple
cotton filter are the worst filter type for filtering fine dust that will cause premature engine wear.
Even K&N recommends a foam prefilter for dusty conditions

do think you car sees much dusty conditions? don't wash under the hood for a couple months and look how much dust built up collects on the engine cover, not X that by XXXXXXXXXX the amount of air you engine sucks in everyday and think about how much of that dust is going into your engine.

As a motorcycle mechanic I have seen hundreds of engines destroyed by using K&N filters. #1 they do throw off the jetting sometime lean other times they reduce the intake velocity and cause the engine to run too rich or just poorly overall. Even FI bike need to have the fuel systems re-mapped for a K&N.

for you K&N owners take a clean white rag and go wipe out the intake pipe to the manifold and then tell us its clean in there. I have shown dozens of owners this for YEARS and most people withh agree they SUCK. if the MFG could gain and extra MPG from a different air filter don't you think they would have installed it?

My stock 2005 Taco came with one.....

[Altitude]

Originally Posted by 07WYarisRS

for you K&N owners take a clean white rag and go wipe out the intake pipe to the manifold and then tell us its clean in there. I have shown dozens of owners this for YEARS and most people withh agree they SUCK.

Checking the intake on my Jeep with AEM CAI and K&N shows clean. I must have one of the K&N's that don't suck. The throttle body does have some gunk in it, but that's oil from the PCV and very, very little of it at that. All of this is with the occasionally very dusty driving conditions 4-wheeling up in the mountains.

Oh, and I clean it *maybe* once a year? Go figure.

[b_hickman11]

So we are back to what the actual purpose of a K&N drop-in filter is for. To save money by not having to buy replacement filters every 3000 miles which for me is 1 month. Air filter at my local dealer is $20 so that would cost me $240 a year just for air filters. The K&N was $40 and never needs to be replaced. Paid for it self in 2 months. If I keep the car for 5 years thats a savings of $1160 and I have 2 Yaris's so that would be $2320!!!

[YarisOwnersDad]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

So we are back to what the actual purpose of a K&N drop-in filter is for. To save money by not having to buy replacement filters every 3000 miles which for me is 1 month. Air filter at my local dealer is $20 so that would cost me $240 a year just for air filters. The K&N was $40 and never needs to be replaced. Paid for it self in 2 months. If I keep the car for 5 years thats a savings of $1160 and I have 2 Yaris's so that would be $2320!!!

Whoa, why in the world would you change paper air filters every 3000 miles? They are good for four or five times that many miles. Unless you drive in EXTREMELY dusty conditions.

Tom

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

So we are back to what the actual purpose of a K&N drop-in filter is for. To save money by not having to buy replacement filters every 3000 miles which for me is 1 month. Air filter at my local dealer is $20 so that would cost me $240 a year just for air filters. The K&N was $40 and never needs to be replaced. Paid for it self in 2 months. If I keep the car for 5 years thats a savings of $1160 and I have 2 Yaris's so that would be $2320!!!

Every 3k miles!!!??? That applies to what, 1% of the drivers? And we're trying to ignore the fact that a big portion of K&N buyers ask about HP and MPG gains (they've always been marketed as a PERFORMANCE filter)...so their purpose for buying isn't just all about being able to clean and reuse.
You must think they're wonderful, a lot of people do, that's why they've sold so many and have such a good following. I'd imagine that they've got about 5% of the market (could be closer to 2-3% ??), but for one reason or another about 95% choose to buy Wix, OEM, Fram, etc, instead. Oh well.

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

$9.00 for the kit and they usually last me around 3-4 cleanings.

The roads around here are very dusty. We have oil wells and gas wells going up everywhere and those big trucks and salt water trucks are always tracking out dirt from the lease road onto the highway. We have also have not got any rain in over 2 months so they are even more dirty than normal. Plus the 32 mile road that I take to work everyday has been under construction for 2+ years and there is a constant white sand/dust from the white rock they are using that stays on the road.

Under those very dusty conditions not sure that a premium paper filter wouldn't be the wiser choice

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Every 3k miles!!!??? That applies to what, 1% of the drivers? And we're trying to ignore the fact that a big portion of K&N buyers ask about HP and MPG gains (they've always been marketed as a PERFORMANCE filter)...so their purpose for buying isn't just all about being able to clean and reuse.
You must think they're wonderful, a lot of people do, that's why they've sold so many and have such a good following. I'd imagine that they've got about 5% of the market (could be closer to 2-3% ??), but for one reason or another about 95% choose to buy Wix, OEM, Fram, etc, instead. Oh well.



Under those very dusty conditions not sure that a premium paper filter wouldn't be the wiser choice

I didn't say it applied to ALL drivers. I said it applies to my situation. Did I say, "hey everyone on here needs to change their paper filters every 3000 miles?" No I don't remember saying that. The reason uneducated people think that ALL K&N filters have performance gains is because the first filters they come out with were for performance cars that already put out a lot of HP. And they did claim to give you more HP and THOSE filters did. Then many years down the road the developers decided to come up with reusable filters for your everyday driver.(Drop-ins) Because of their history of their performance filters people, like you, assume that the drop-ins will have the same effects that the performance filters and intake systems. Now they could have came out and said, "Our new filters do not provide as many benefits as our old filters," but I guess they thought that consumers, like you, were smarter than that.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

I didn't say it applied to ALL drivers. I said it applies to my situation. Did I say, "hey everyone on here needs to change their paper filters every 3000 miles?" No I don't remember saying that. The reason uneducated people think that ALL K&N filters have performance gains is because the first filters they come out with were for performance cars that already put out a lot of HP.

Wrong. It's because they didn't have MAF meters and computer feedback that outsmarted the extra airflow back then...you should have figured that out for yourself. And I don't think they're for performance and good savings at the pump, I've always said that's what others might think...I say they're a sound mod and they can be reused.

And they did claim to give you more HP and THOSE filters did.

They still push the performance claims...usually "3-5 hp gain" for drop-ins, yes?

Then many years down the road the developers decided to come up with reusable filters for your everyday driver.(Drop-ins) Because of their history of their performance filters people, like you, assume

YOU assumed wrong.

that the drop-ins will have the same effects that the performance filters and intake systems. Now they could have came out and said, "Our new filters do not provide as many benefits as our old filters," but I guess they thought that consumers, like you, were smarter than that.

A paper filter like Amsoil's Ea air filter, or a PureONE air filter will trap about 50x more dust (Amsoil's claim) than a shallow pleated, small square inched, oiled filter...and with your very dusty conditions you'd be able to figure that one out for yourself, or not.

BTW: LMAO, and to deflate the desperate little reaching again...I've got a K&N filter on the shelf for a Honda customer that's coming in next week...want to know what claims are on the box, in order which they appear?...it's a DROP-IN

"Designed to increase horsepower & acceleration"
"Washable/reusable/lifetime product"

Wooops

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Wrong. It's because they didn't have MAF meters and computer feedback that outsmarted the extra airflow back then...you should have figured that out for yourself. And I don't think they're for performance and good savings at the pump, I've always said that's what others might think...I say they're a sound mod and they can be reused.



They still push the performance claims...usually "3-5 hp gain" for drop-ins, yes?



YOU assumed wrong.



A paper filter like Amsoil's Ea air filter, or a PureONE air filter will trap about 50x more dust (Amsoil's claim) than a shallow pleated, small square inched, oiled filter...and with your very dusty conditions you'd be able to figure that one out for yourself, or not.

BTW: LMAO, and to deflate the desperate little reaching again...I've got a K&N filter on the shelf for a Honda customer that's coming in next week...want to know what claims are on the box, in order which they appear?...it's a DROP-IN

"Designed to increase horsepower & acceleration"
"Washable/reusable/lifetime product"

Wooops

This is Yaris World, not Hondalovers.com. Where are they pushing the claim for the Yaris? If you go to the K&N website and look at the Yaris drop-in claims, you will notice that there are NONE!!! They do have a cone air filter for the Yaris that they claim a 3-4 HP gain on but we are talking about the Yaris drop-in. Not Honda and not performance!

[scape]

the maintenance schedule for the yaris is suggested at every 30k miles, I believe; however my rule of thumb for my used cars was 10k or 6k for dusty areas; the K&n is nice though, I've never owned one personally.

[toad]

k&n's are nice, i've had them on all my previous vehicles. haven't bought one yet for either yaris because i like to get them when i need to replace one first. they do pay for themselves after a couple changes, but depending on where you live and how many miles you drive that could be a few years! where they get you is the 'recharge kits'. they are always expensive! anyone know of a cheap substitute for these kits?

[b_hickman11]

$9.00 for the kit and they usually last me around 3-4 cleanings.

The roads around here are very dusty. We have oil wells and gas wells going up everywhere and those big trucks and salt water trucks are always tracking out dirt from the lease road onto the highway. We have also have not got any rain in over 2 months so they are even more dirty than normal. Plus the 32 mile road that I take to work everyday has been under construction for 2+ years and there is a constant white sand/dust from the white rock they are using that stays on the road.

[b_hickman11]

Oh and by the way, my 2005 Taco came with a K&N filter already installed. Some kind of special package that included an upgrade air box and upgrade pipes and mufflers. Came from the plant that way. So if these filters are SOOOO bad, then why would Toyota put them in their products themselves?????

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Oh and by the way, my 2005 Taco came with a K&N filter already installed. Some kind of special package that included an upgrade air box and upgrade pipes and mufflers. Came from the plant that way. So if these filters are SOOOO bad, then why would Toyota put them in their products themselves?????

Better question, fanboi

If they're known for not filtering dust as well as paper, under your self-admitted EXTREMELY dusty conditions, so bad that filter won't make it 1 month w/o needing to be cleaned, why use the inferior filter for the job?

And if they're the greatest, why not install them in every vehicle? Why in maybe less than .005% of the Toyotas being sold?

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Better question, fanboi

If they're known for not filtering dust as well as paper, under your self-admitted EXTREMELY dusty conditions, so bad that filter won't make it 1 month w/o needing to be cleaned, why use the inferior filter for the job?

And if they're the greatest, why not install them in every vehicle? Why in maybe less than .005% of the Toyotas being sold?

They are only known for not filtering dust as well as paper...BY YOU!!! So why would Toyota listen to your claims....you work for Toyota and holding out on everyone?? I need this part, 55606-52020, and was wondering if you can take it out of the warehouse for me. I'll give you a $1 for shipping!

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

They are only known for not filtering dust as well as paper...BY YOU!!!

Liar. Try following thread better next time.
Scratch that...be sure to keep ignoring the input of what others are saying; a lot of it is stuff you don't want to read.

So why would Toyota listen to your claims....you work for Toyota and holding out on everyone?? I need this part, 55606-52020, and was wondering if you can take it out of the warehouse for me. I'll give you a $1 for shipping!

Oh, so Toyota is installing K&N filters on every vehicle, or probably way less than 1% of the new vehicles being sold...thought so.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Liar. Try following thread better next time.
Scratch that...be sure to keep ignoring the input of what others are saying; a lot of it is stuff you don't want to read.



Oh, so Toyota is installing K&N filters on every vehicle, or probably way less than 1% of the new vehicles being sold...thought so.

Show me the post where I said they put them in every vehicle?? Thats right, theres not one. One of the reasons they don't is because of cost. They know a Hybrid setup is the best way to go right now. Why don't they install them in evry vehicle? Cost! You should know that though since you work for them.