VOTE! (Turbo vs. S/C)

[PETERPOOP]

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

you have to look at it like this:

blitz supercharger $3400 + intake $200 + injectors $100 + pulleys $250 + header $200 + ems $500 = $4650.00

I'm sure Garm sells the blitz for less than $3400, even though it's priced at that.

aFe intake: $174.50 shipped

You don't need injectors for the blitz kit.

You don't NEED pulleys.

megan header: $189

you don't need management for the blitz.

All of the things listed after the supercharger are not needed to run the blitz kit and be a daily driver.

I will state again, I prefer turbo over supercharger; but not for the yaris ( so far ).

[window_lee]

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

you have to look at it like this:

blitz supercharger $3400 + intake $200 + injectors $100 + pulleys $250 + header $200 + ems $500 = $4650.00

xb hks turbo kit $2600 + intercooler $500 + piping $700 + injectors $150 + hks bov $300 + hks boost controller/ turbo timer $400 = $4650.00

In the end the price is basically the same, even with the supporting mods and gauges you need plan to spend about 6-7k to have it done right.

what about the labour??? supercharger is much easier to install

[puetato89]

and now, reliability, S/C > T/C, labor, S/C > T/C

[RacerFreakXXX]

I'm not going to argue with that... I am 99% sure I'm going to get the blitz s/c because it's more reliable for daily and I can add it on top of basic breather mods. However if you want power and speed turbo is still the king.

[RacerFreakXXX]

well it only matters if he sells it to everyone for a lower price, and if that was garms intention I'm sure it would be less at his site. My numbers are from me averaging everything out. There are intakes for $400 for the yaris and maybe not everyone wants an afe intake. You don't need pulleys but you have them and you know it helps with power gain because a supercharger by it's self wont put you at 130whp. A DC header is about $260. All you seem to be doing is nickel and dimming everything so a supercharger looks good. You could easily just buy the hks kit for $2600, get a custom downpipe made and buy an ebay intercooler and only spend $3400. Either way cost is the same. Right now a turbo kit takes more time because there are only manifold that are premade for our engine.

I bet you if garm was selling a turbo kit that came with everything you needed for 4k and made 180whp you would say turbo was better.

[cali yaris]

I'm sure Garm sells the blitz for less than $3400, even though it's priced at that.

I don't, actually. It should have gone up when my cost did, but I have kept it at the same price.

[PETERPOOP]

Let it go dude...

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

I bet you if garm was selling a turbo kit that came with everything you needed for 4k and made 180whp you would say turbo was better.

Here, i'll quote myself so you can get it.

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

However, let me remind you, I still would like a turbo kit with 180whp ( garm *wink* wink )

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

I will state again, I prefer turbo over supercharger; but not for the yaris ( so far ).

I'm not nickel and diming anything. You are mentioning things that aren't needed for the supercharger. Just because I have it, doesn't mean it's needed. The aFe intake and megan header are the ones I got ( obviously ), so that's why I mentioned those. I am well aware of the wide arrange of prices for any item on the market.

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

You could easily just buy the hks kit for $2600.

Ok you say this because someone has done this before right? You know that the engine management will work on our car perfectly right? You are sure you won't have to retune; just slap it on and wire it up. Perfect AFR and all....

You can't use things that haven't even been done yet and say that is the final price of it. Heck, everything you mentioned, NO ONE has ever done. So you shouldn't even be using those as examples.

Supercharger is proven and reliable 20x over. Sure it cost an arm and leg, but what other S/C or turbo kits are out there right now for the yaris that you see people buying and driving as daily drivers? none. Simple supply and demand.

So you can keep arguing a proven blitz kit with an imaginary pieced together kit that noone has even done yet ( HKS kit, or xB turbo kit), and probably won't anytime soon. However, this debate is old and I'm done with it.

SC'd yaris FTW ( for now! dun dun dun...)

[puetato89]

wow, thats 2 much time and effort for me, this is where ill step down lol

[RacerFreakXXX]

Originally Posted by puetato89

wow, thats 2 much time and effort for me, this is where ill step down lol

lol... I was just having some fun and trying to prove a point at the same time accepting the supercharger is still great. Anyway every time I read PETERPOOP's comments they have changed.

I was just saying turbo is better, garm has proved it but, has also proved it takes a lot more effort. I am mainly drawing my info from turbo'ed yaris that I've read about in Japan and parts of Asia and other places.

I'm not trying to have a battle here. I think we need more opinions on this one, rofl.

[kurokoma-kun]

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

I am mainly drawing my info from turbo'ed yaris that I've read about in Japan and parts of Asia and other places

Yaris in Japan and Asia have a different ECU from USDM models. Tuning a Yaris for turbo is much easier over there, a whole other ballgame in fact.

Just for the sake of comparison I have stock injectors, one lightened pulley, no meth, no ems on my s/c.

As others have pointed out it's hard to define "better" in this case, with so many variables and unknowns on one side, and personal preferences on the other. That's why I didn't vote

[RacerFreakXXX]

Originally Posted by kurokoma-kun

Yaris in Japan and Asia have a different ECU from USDM models. Tuning a Yaris for turbo is much easier over there, a whole other ballgame in fact.

Just for the sake of comparison I have stock injectors, one lightened pulley, no meth, no ems on my s/c.

As others have pointed out it's hard to define "better" in this case, with so many variables and unknowns on one side, and personal preferences on the other. That's why I didn't vote

lol, wow I had no idea it was a different ecu. Now that truly makes a jdm model different than usdm.

Maybe that's why no companies are making a turbo kit for the yaris.

[PETERPOOP]

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

lol... I was just having some fun and trying to prove a point at the same time accepting the supercharger is still great. Anyway every time I read PETERPOOP's comments they have changed.

I was just saying turbo is better, garm has proved it but, has also proved it takes a lot more effort. I am mainly drawing my info from turbo'ed yaris that I've read about in Japan and parts of Asia and other places.

I'm not trying to have a battle here. I think we need more opinions on this one, rofl.

I'm just having fun too. My comments have never changed. I've always stated I want(ed) a turbo, but there are no such reliable kits as of now. Hopefully MI makes one in the future, and I'm all over that (as i've stated many times in this thread.... )

I'm not trying to have a "battle" either. However, I am responding to your replies and I am pretty sure you won't have anything to say to my recent post (which is obvious because you haven't responded to it).

You weren't just saying the turbo is better. You were saying it's cheaper in the long run and that you would buy a $4500 turbo kit. You were also saying you can just slap on a HKS turbo kit on the yaris and have no problems at all. Etc...

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

I am mainly drawing my info from turbo'ed yaris that I've read about in Japan and parts of Asia and other places.

Originally Posted by kurokoma-kun

Yaris in Japan and Asia have a different ECU from USDM models. Tuning a Yaris for turbo is much easier over there, a whole other ballgame in fact.

Just for the sake of comparison I have stock injectors, one lightened pulley, no meth, no ems on my s/c.

As others have pointed out it's hard to define "better" in this case, with so many variables and unknowns on one side, and personal preferences on the other. That's why I didn't vote

That pretty much sums it up.

[advocate]

Since I probably won't be able to afford either I voted for which one I'd have on my car in my dreams

[scape]

Yaris in Japan and Asia have a different ECU from USDM models. Tuning a Yaris for turbo is much easier over there, a whole other ballgame in fact.

that's a shame...toyota of America completely dropped the ball on coolness in the last 15 years, oh well...

hell, they could even have a waiver you sign voiding your warranty and a huge fee, and I bet some of us would still pay and sign, for an unlocked/programmable ECU; no skin off their back except more money...

[etheliters]

I like turbos hands down.For all the cash I'd shell to make my s/c yaris worth mentioning to anyone except here on yaris world, I'd go for the turbo expiriment. Seems to me the biggest obsticle would be the ecu. I'd only shoot for 7lbs and thought a stock ecu could handle that...But I was involved in a 6lb boost rotrex supercharge install and it came with a piggyback. wtf? But still turbo ftw. 40 hp for $3400?(supercharger kit)
Seems full bolt ons is a better bang for your buck. (then turbo and trophies if so inclined)
Also your s/c probably is fast. Until a turbo pulls up.

[PETERPOOP]

spools up?

[etheliters]

Hey why'd you edit? It was informative, I looked for chinocharles but couldn't find his car anymore.? From what you erased it did make me think. If you coud get to 170 s/c'd then that would seem good. I thought a turbo would just be a better gain and leave you more powerful in the final result. Na poop, I meant pulls up. Figured turbo will catch and eat a s/c in most cases. Let me know.

[RacerFreakXXX]

I highly doubt you could get the blitz supercharger up to that much unless you were running 14+psi, fully tuned, and a built motor.

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

Anywho, I would love to have a turbo kit; just no time or balls to piece one together. Come on MI, hurry up at make a sick kit with a map for 180whp. :P I got money at hand.

Actually, Peter... you said you had money for a turbo, why don't you build your motor up? If you have the money and could make some time, I think it would be awesome to see what a supercharger would do on an engine like garm's but keep the 10.0:1 compression... or maybe even bump it up to 11.0:1.