Which R-comps for Auto-X?

[cali yaris]

Are Hefty bags good enough to store R comps in?

[SilverBack]

They might be good if you stuck the tires in the fridge. Take it from someone who used to hide in Hefty's as a kid while playing hide-n-seek with the cousin, there's no air-condition in there! LOL

[SilverBack]

Originally Posted by kngrsll

what exactly is your budget??

for ST competition- wheels, tires, shocks, springs, and a rear sway bar will be: $4-500 for 15x7's, 85x4 for street tires, 150 for a rear sway bar, 200 for springs, 350 for shocks and you can do fairly well in ST. thats under $1500.

for hoosiers and light weight wheels, you are looking at nearly the same! $500 for light cheap wheels and $800 for tires. for a little more, you can have the suspension mods and drive on your autox set up everyday (which is still more tame than alot of mid range sports cars)

im not trying to argue, just providing an alternative.

Good call. Who's offering $85 each for R-comps BTW? And $500 for wheels? Just saying I could always use a better deal. And my springs are already installed with sway bar next.

So far I've got my heart set on the lightest rims I could find (MSRP about $800/set, but will keep looking for better price) + tire budget (limit $800/set). Total of $1600 sounds about right, though it could be much lower depending on chosen tires and certain retailers. My local tire guy always gives me a good deal so I'll see if he's got what I want first.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Originally Posted by SilverBack

Good call. Who's offering $85 each for R-comps BTW? And $500 for wheels? Just saying I could always use a better deal. And my springs are already installed with sway bar next.So far I've got my heart set on the lightest rims I could find (MSRP about $800/set, but will keep looking for better price) + tire budget (limit $800/set). Total of $1600 sounds about right, though it could be much lower depending on chosen tires and certain retailers. My local tire guy always gives me a good deal so I'll see if he's got what I want first.

If you have changed your springs your car is not legal for HS. A rear bar is also not legal for stock class.

[kngrsll]

Originally Posted by Jason@SportsCar

If you have changed your springs your car is not legal for HS. A rear bar is also not legal for stock class.

making ST even more appealing ;)

you could get these if you still want RA-1's: http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...t/21-0046.html

$900 for wheels, tires, mounted, and balanced? win

or put, street tires on them, use the rest of your budget at microimage on a rear sway bar and shocks and you are can run ST and do track days to your hearts content!

[SilverBack]

I'll check in with my shop tomorrow when they open first, but I'll bookmark that link for now. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Jason@SportsCar

If you have changed your springs your car is not legal for HS. A rear bar is also not legal for stock class.

I see about the springs. I'm also running Falken ZE502's. Does this mean I can move up to ST? If not, then which class?

Man this is confusing...

[Jason@SportsCar]

Originally Posted by SilverBack

I'll check in with my shop tomorrow when they open first, but I'll bookmark that link for now. Thanks!



I see about the springs. I'm also running Falken ZE502's. Does this mean I can move up to ST? If not, then which class?

Yes, you can run in ST.

[SilverBack]

Sweet! Thanks for your help Jason

[Jason@SportsCar]

Originally Posted by SilverBack

Sweet! Thanks for your help Jason

Keep in mind none of the tires you were looking at are ST legal - must have a 140 or higher tread wear rating for ST.

[SilverBack]

I guess I'll just have to use the Falkens again for the next event and just grab a sway bar and CAI way before. I can still wait a minute to get rims and tires seeing as how I need to make enough storage space for them anyway. Can I still run the sway bar and CAI in ST? I'm looking at the class rules right now, but doesn't really say anything specific about engine and suspension parts til you get to SP.

http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/faq/auto.htm#114

I take it "common parts" also include CAI? Or is it limited to a filter-only upgrade? Is sway bar also considered common?

[cali yaris]

Some classes limit you to options that would come from the dealer. It's confusing to me that's for sure.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Originally Posted by SilverBack

I guess I'll just have to use the Falkens again for the next event and just grab a sway bar and CAI way before. I can still wait a minute to get rims and tires seeing as how I need to make enough storage space for them anyway. Can I still run the sway bar and CAI in ST? I'm looking at the class rules right now, but doesn't really say anything specific about engine and suspension parts til you get to SP.

http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/faq/auto.htm#114

I take it "common parts" also include CAI? Or is it limited to a filter-only upgrade? Is sway bar also considered common?

Those are not the rules: http://scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=61

You want to look at section 13-19, specifically for Street Touring.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Some classes limit you to options that would come from the dealer. It's confusing to me that's for sure.

Dealer installed options are not legal in stock class, only factory or port installed options.

Typically any class beyond stock you would use an aftermarket part that is better than the dealer install stuff, so it becomes a non issue.

[Loren]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Are Hefty bags good enough to store R comps in?

Yes, heavy-duty black trash bags are more than adequate for storing tires in.

The goal is to keep them isolated from ozone, sunlight, and temperature extremes.

[SilverBack]

Originally Posted by Jason@SportsCar

Those are not the rules: http://scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=61

You want to look at section 13-19, specifically for Street Touring.

Okay now it's making even more sense. Getting there slowly lol. I checked the SCCA page several times before that. Not sure why I couldn't find it...

[Jason@SportsCar]

Originally Posted by SilverBack

Okay now it's making even more sense. Getting there slowly lol. I checked the SCCA page several times before that. Not sure why I couldn't find it...

The website is not super user friendly, and the rules can be even less so - particularly in the state they are in. Typically it is one link on the site for the whole book, and you even get a side menu to find the section you want, but at the point they put it online they were not 100% done.

ST will let you do a lot of things to make up for the lack of the stock classes sticky tires: CIA, header, cat-back, ECU, pulleys, shifter, suspension, race seats, wings.

Just for comparisons sake... We took our stock class RX-8, that had won four strait BS championships and converted it to STX in 2009. The difference in prep between stock and STX was about $10k, and the car was slower in STX trim - it is no longer in STX trim. I like race tires.

imho it is hard to beat the transformation that occurs when you put race tires on an otherwise "stock" car. The comfortable daily driver feels like a racecar with just a simple tire change. While an ST car reminds you on a daily basis with its poor ride quality, noisy exhaust and limited ground clearance. And in almost every case a stock class car on race tires is quicker than a no expense spared ST car. Spend more money to go slower? No thanks.

[kngrsll]

Originally Posted by Jason@SportsCar

The website is not super user friendly, and the rules can be even less so - particularly in the state they are in. Typically it is one link on the site for the whole book, and you even get a side menu to find the section you want, but at the point they put it online they were not 100% done.

ST will let you do a lot of things to make up for the lack of the stock classes sticky tires: CIA, header, cat-back, ECU, pulleys, shifter, suspension, race seats, wings.

Just for comparisons sake... We took our stock class RX-8, that had won four strait BS championships and converted it to STX in 2009. The difference in prep between stock and STX was about $10k, and the car was slower in STX trim - it is no longer in STX trim. I like race tires.

imho it is hard to beat the transformation that occurs when you put race tires on an otherwise "stock" car. The comfortable daily driver feels like a racecar with just a simple tire change. While an ST car reminds you on a daily basis with its poor ride quality, noisy exhaust and limited ground clearance. And in almost every case a stock class car on race tires is quicker than a no expense spared ST car. Spend more money to go slower? No thanks.

well ST is very appealing to me in my current situation. I have the yaris with a few bolt ons. springs, shocks, rear sway bar, a header, and intake. Those are pretty cheap common mods around here. Now you have the option to compete in ST or FSP based on how much you want to spend on tires. I prefer to just run in ST and use my street tires. Will i compete on the national level? nope, will i be competitive at a regional level? highly doubt it. but is it a great class to arrive and drive when i get the chance? hell yeah! so ST works for alot of people, and i think thats really why they created the class.

now what i would REALLY like to do is run an S2k in stock class with R-comp's. THAT would be fuuuun!

[kngrsll]

Here is a chart someone else posted here for your help:

http://autocross.com/er/carmodandclassification.pdf

now that you have decided on a class, picking a tire will be easy. The fastest tire last season was the R1R, but they will not last long if you use them on the street. If you are only bolting them on to race with, they would probably be your best choice. The next best would probably be the Kumho XS or Direzza Star Spec. I love my star specs, i daily drive them, autox on them, and do track days on the same tires, they are amazing pieces of rubber! ST allows you to run up to a 225 tire on a 7" (or7.5"?) rim. you can still do alot of parts, springs, shocks, (or coilovers), rear sway bar, seat, header, intake, exhaust, and i am sure there are more.

Links:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....t+Z1+Star+Spec

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....Model=Ecsta+XS

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....VAN+Neova+AD08

http://www.performanceplustire.com/p...490#prodAnchor