The First Snow Drive

[jpmck03]

Originally Posted by vaironl

I just waited till most of the ice was gone and followed the advice of going slow. Even with my all seasons I was able to handle ok by just going slow :).

I've been running with the stock all-seasons that came with the car in the winter!


Just remember, "slow is smooth, smooth is fast!"

[DebbyM46227]

Originally Posted by jpmck03

I've been running with the stock all-seasons that came with the car in the winter!


Just remember, "slow is smooth, smooth is fast!"

I am too. We had 12" of snow last weekend and the mayor called off any non-essential travel Monday...I also stayed home from work Tuesday. Wednesday I went back and my Yaris kept up with any other car....no one could do well driving over the chunks of ice left on the road.

[The Limo 2]

Winnipeg (Winterpeg) has now dropped to third place for coldest cities in the world with populations over 600,000. Ulan Bator in Mongolia is first, Harbin in China is second and then Winnipeg. Coldest temperature ever recorded in Winnipeg was on February 1st, 1996 at -41.8C with a windchill of -57.1C.
Too cold for me.
Roy
PS The bear "Whinny the Poo" is named after Winnipeg.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by The Limo 2

Winnipeg (Winterpeg) has now dropped to third place for coldest cities in the world with populations over 600,000. Ulan Bator in Mongolia is first, Harbin in China is second and then Winnipeg. Coldest temperature ever recorded in Winnipeg was on February 1st, 1996 at -41.8C with a windchill of -57.1C.
Too cold for me.
Roy
PS The bear "Whinny the Poo" is named after Winnipeg.

Wow. Thanks. Too cold for me as well. Not for member Berkut (post #15) though ------- .2 degrees celsius colder for him YESTERDAY than that coldest EVER temp in Winnipeg (at least without the wind chill factor) . Such is Winter 280 miles from the Arctic Circle.

[vaironl]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Wow. Thanks. Too cold for me as well. Not for member Berkut (post #15) though ------- .2 degrees celsius colder for him YESTERDAY than that coldest EVER temp in Winnipeg (at least without the wind chill factor) . Such is Winter 280 miles from the Arctic Circle.

I'm from a tropical island in the Caribbean... I complain about any kind of weather under 70 degrees Fahrenheit. A couple of days ago it's was 0 degrees and felt like -4..... The yaris took about 2 more seconds to start, and the tps are still on I have to check my tires soon.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by vaironl

I'm from a tropical island in the Caribbean... I complain about any kind of weather under 70 degrees Fahrenheit. A couple of days ago it's was 0 degrees and felt like -4..... The yaris took about 2 more seconds to start, and the tps are still on I have to check my tires soon.

Brrrr...and I thought the 16-22 degrees I posted about was cold. IMO, the only thing that makes putting up with that cold for an extended period of time worth it is skiing. My second day of skiing ever (when I was 12 or 13?) was on Broadway and some of the other bunny runs below Emigrant Peak at Squaw Valley. Visibility was very poor and I was told that the wind was occasionally hitting 60 MPH..didn't deter me a bit. I loved it.

[Berkut]

20 minutes ago. Dress warmly and prepare u car for the cold. :)

[vaironl]

Originally Posted by Berkut

20 minutes ago. Dress warmly and prepare u car for the cold. :)

How do you put up with that

[Berkut]

Keep calm and carry one :)))

[Berkut]

Guys don't worry. The winter will end and the summer will come. At us is every January - 50C. And fog when month of the sun it isn't visible. Nobody pays attention. My Vitz goes 8 years every day. In any frosts. If there are any questions how to help the car to endure cold weather, with pleasure will answer, experience very big. :)

[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by roxy1

since you live in Virginia, id definitely say save your $350 and just slow down a bit when needed.

Not to sound like an ass, but you are saying that saving $350 is better than spending the $350 to have the peace of mind and quite possibly if even once avoiding an accident? That you would not be able to save a totaled car and possibly serious injury or even death to one in the party involved? Yeah, spending the cash could suck, but even if you are a "great" driver in snow it isn't anywhere close to always you that needs your concern...it is also the other drivers out there. Personally, I would pick up a spare set of steelies and mount a set of M+S tires on them. Change them on/off myself rather than paying a shop. Even if you live in an apartment, a stack of tires in a closet or storage space doesn't take up too much room. Being in VA the OP is in a PITA situation as the need for M+S tires is minimal, but if you pay close attention to the weather it is manageable. I lived in the DC area for a few years and had a set of M+S tires. Hell you could even possibly just pick up a set of used ones since you wouldn't barely put mileage on them. They would probably dry rot before you burned down the the wear bars.

[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by Berkut

20 minutes ago. Dress warmly and prepare u car for the cold. :)

This is a very good perspective when you are dealing with severe cold as you are showing. Not to hijack the thread, but one of the biggest mistakes of owners in areas that experience sub zero temps every winter is people not paying attention to the pour point of the motor oil they use. If you don't have a good pour point (example Amsoil is good to -50F) then you risk damage to your motor.

[Berkut]

At such cold NO oil will rescue the engine if to start the car in the morning on the street. car simply won't be brought. I use 0w30 it enough. All put in warm garages, left from garage in the morning, till the evening you don't switch off the car.

[Berkut]

If suddenly I switched off the motor in the winter on the street, it is necessary to cause special service on a defrosting. )) )
As on a photo.
Service costs about $40

[fnkngrv]

You need to remember that there is more than the oil affecting whether or not the engine will start, I am discussing possible damage to internal components due to the oil not having a proper ability to move out of the oilpan through the motor.

Amsoil:

Pour Point °C (°F) -51 (-60)

Mobil1:

Pour Point °C (°F) -48 (-54)

Havoline Full Synth:

Pour Point °C (°F) -35 (-31)


Valvoline Conventional:

Pour Point °C (°F) -36 (-32)

Penzoil Conventional:

Pour Point °C (°F) -39 (-38)


Get the picture? When I was in my late teens and didn't care at all what went into my engine and bought the cheapest stuff I could find because I was a starving post high school guy I would wonder why the engine in my cars would have shavings in the pan after the winter. Well, looking at it now I realize that just because the motor would start at -40 it didn't mean "I was all good". That's all I am saying to that.


/end hijack

[vaironl]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

You need to remember that there is more than the oil affecting whether or not the engine will start, I am discussing possible damage to internal components due to the oil not having a proper ability to move out of the oilpan through the motor.

Amsoil:

Pour Point °C (°F) -51 (-60)

Mobil1:

Pour Point °C (°F) -48 (-54)

Havoline Full Synth:

Pour Point °C (°F) -35 (-31)


Valvoline Conventional:

Pour Point °C (°F) -36 (-32)

Penzoil Conventional:

Pour Point °C (°F) -39 (-38)


Get the picture? When I was in my late teens and didn't care at all what went into my engine and bought the cheapest stuff I could find because I was a starving post high school guy I would wonder why the engine in my cars would have shavings in the pan after the winter. Well, looking at it now I realize that just because the motor would start at -40 it didn't mean "I was all good". That's all I am saying to that.


/end hijack

This great info for me since I'm thinking about doing th oil change myself. I usually try to save a couple of bucks when buying computer parts/electronics/etc but when it comes to the car I try to take good care of it. Specially since I might have to tradein in the future.

[Berkut]

At such temperatures viscosity of oil is only one of factors. Certainly there are special products for ultralow temperatures, and it is possible to start the engine to theories without preparation and in-50С. But in practice she won't be brought. Or the accumulator will discharged or sparks plug will fill in etc. I got in -38С after 2 days on parking, but it is bad experience and too big wear of engine.


And for the rest I agree. Oil should be chosen the best that it is possible to buy as any repair of the engine is much more expensive.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

Not to sound like an ass, but you are saying that saving $350 is better than spending the $350 to have the peace of mind and quite possibly if even once avoiding an accident? .

I am saying that IMO it is a waste of money when the conditions will almost never dictate the need.

peace of mind should come from driving accordingly based on the conditions. snow tires wont save a bad driver from anything. in the Midwest id easily estimate 90% of drivers drive on all weather tires (which have improved greatly over the years) and drive pretty well. the bad drivers are bad and snow tires may or may not help them.

if anyone wants to spend $350 dollars to drive in snow a handful of times because it makes them feel better, they are free to do so.