US Yaris to be imported from France ?

[DebbyM46227]

Originally Posted by Sparcoboy

IMHO you're all just being stereothypical and racist, like saying all americans are fat people who have no interest in the cars they put together. I drive a french Yaris (like all diesel Yaris) and there's nothing wrong with it. The only thing I read hear is "I heard this" an "I heard that"
Some people just don't base their judgements on facts.

So? Maybe I am. I don't care, I'm not exactly a "politically correct" person. Far from it.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Sparcoboy

IMHO you're all just being stereothypical and racist, like saying all americans are fat people who have no interest in the cars they put together. I drive a french Yaris (like all diesel Yaris) and there's nothing wrong with it. The only thing I read hear is "I heard this" an "I heard that"
Some people just don't base their judgements on facts.

Well, no. MRPJ wrote from personal experience with a French built Yaris, not hearing about someone else's French built Yaris.

[Sparcoboy]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Well, no. MRPJ wrote from personal experience with a French built Yaris, not hearing about someone else's French built Yaris.

I can see he says he drive's anything but a Toyota, so the Japanese would not have been good for him anyhow. And well bad apples exist everywhere, remember that the second gen Yaris was developed is France, whether it's built in France or Japan.

[LA Yaris]

What's the point on buying Toyota if it's not made in Japan.. That is the only main reason why a lot of us buy toyota's.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by LA Yaris

What's the point on buying Toyota if it's not made in Japan.. That is the only main reason why a lot of us buy toyota's.

There aren't too many US Toyota models that are still made in Japan. My Tacoma for instance was made in Mexico. I knew that when I bought it and still did so, based on the fact that I was buying a Toyota engineered vehicle.

[mrpj]

"I can see he says he drive's anything but a Toyota, so the Japanese would not have been good for him anyhow."

Not necessarily so re a Japanese built Toyota. The French Yaris I had briefly was my first Toyota and because of the experience of the poor build quality and poor component quality it will be my last Toyota. Plus the fact it had a MultiMode Transmission (MMT) which is an automated manual gearbox. Think yourselves lucky they didn't try and sell this in N. America! I have never owned a car that rattles and squeaks, so the Yaris was a big disappointment in this respect when their big advertising selling point is "quality".
I don't doubt their cars are very reliable but that is only part of the quality consideration for me. As indicated in my earlier post, the Japanese built Verso S seemed to be very well put together. I haven't driven one but tapping various parts of interior trim didn't produce any rattles - the Yaris is a different beast in this respect - you dare not tap the trim for fear of bits of it falling off or breaking!
There are lots of comments about rattles, squeaks and poor interiors on a U.K. Toyota forum, not just confined to the Yaris. The U.K. built Auris also comes in for criticism in this respect. The Aygo, built in E. Europe, has water leak problems into the interior. This does not signify quality to me.
Apologies for being so negative. I can only write of the experience I had.

[DebbyM46227]

Nookandcrannycar, ITA with you, even though your post was hard to read, being so large with no paragraph breaks.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by DebbyM46227

Nookandcrannycar, ITA with you, even though your post was hard to read, being so large with no paragraph breaks.

Thanks. I've been having issues with the system automatically signing me out without notice and didn't want to experiment re which key on my particular computer facilitate starting a new paragraph. Another member PM'd me after that post and I'm now following his correct instruction re which key to use. However, my indentation on new paragraphs is being pulled to the left margin when my post hits the thread after clicking on submit reply.

P.S. - I looked at Tooter's post #57 after posting this and realized how I can put the info from the PM I received to good use and 'space' as he does. I like the visual clarity of that post....no strain.

[Thirty-Nine]

FYI, I have quite a few rattles in my Yaris. Perhaps that's due to the stiffer suspension rattling things more, though.

I'm a firm believer that country of assembly is irrelevant. What is important is quality control. If Toyota implements and enforces the same quality control at every facility, the product should be the same, no?

This is why some stuff that comes out of China is junk, while other thing are very high quality. It's all about the quality control.

However, I agree with the people saying a lot has to do with engineering, too. You can have the best assemblers on earth, but if the product is a piece of crap to begin with, the assembly doesn't matter.

I'd assume the French-built Yaris, when put side by side to a Japanese-built Yaris will be identical in terms of materials. Unless the bolts are tightened, the welds aren't correct, or the parts aren't snapped together as they should be according to an engineer, one would think things won't change.

Keep in mind other car companies are doing this sort of thing, too (especially the Japanese brands due to the strong yen)—Honda is going to built the Fit in Mexico, for example.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

FYI, I have quite a few rattles in my Yaris. Perhaps that's due to the stiffer suspension rattling things more, though.

I'm a firm believer that country of assembly is irrelevant. What is important is quality control. If Toyota implements and enforces the same quality control at every facility, the product should be the same, no?

This is why some stuff that comes out of China is junk, while other thing are very high quality. It's all about the quality control.

However, I agree with the people saying a lot has to do with engineering, too. You can have the best assemblers on earth, but if the product is a piece of crap to begin with, the assembly doesn't matter.

I'd assume the French-built Yaris, when put side by side to a Japanese-built Yaris will be identical in terms of materials. Unless the bolts are tightened, the welds aren't correct, or the parts aren't snapped together as they should be according to an engineer, one would think things won't change.

Keep in mind other car companies are doing this sort of thing, too (especially the Japanese brands due to the strong yen)—Honda is going to built the Fit in Mexico, for example.

The suspension on my Yaris is stock. I had a Bilstein sport kit on my GTI and a different Bilstein sport kit on another VW prior to owning the GTI. In both cases, creaks/rattles etc. took on 'lives of their own' after these suspension changes. I was attempting to make a stock vs. stock, apples to apples comparison.

[yarista]

Yarisites, be happy, like it/love it/live it, see it as just skippy, 'cause ya know-like they isn't following suit with VW and sending production to Mexico.

[tk-421]

... and that is a bad thing because.....

What will it take to convince the haters that country of manufacture has no discernible change in overall build quality? A couple of people here actually worked in US car plants and can already confirm that most of those squeaking issues are due to bad design. And bad designers can be found all over the world AFAIK...

Instead of blaming the country where the car is being assembled (to spec, no less), blame the people that approved the crappy design in the first place. Remember kids, a door can only fit into a frame in a certain way. Robots assemble a car in exactly the same manner every time no matter which wall they are plugged to.

And, crucially, people who don't do their jobs correctly tend to get fired much more quickly when the boss stops making money.

The beauty of capitalism lies in the fact that you get to put your money where your mouth is. If you don't like something then don't pay for it. If you want a car to be manufactured in the USA then stop buying cars built elsewhere! Just be prepared to pay a premium for the privilege.

Finally, please stop complaining over stuff that is, and has always been, 100% under your control, and just fix it already.

/rant

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by tk-421

... and that is a bad thing because.....

What will it take to convince the haters that country of manufacture has no discernible change in overall build quality? A couple of people here actually worked in US car plants and can already confirm that most of those squeaking issues are due to bad design. And bad designers can be found all over the world AFAIK...

Instead of blaming the country where the car is being assembled (to spec, no less), blame the people that approved the crappy design in the first place. Remember kids, a door can only fit into a frame in a certain way. Robots assemble a car in exactly the same manner every time no matter which wall they are plugged to.

And, crucially, people who don't do their jobs correctly tend to get fired much more quickly when the boss stops making money.

The beauty of capitalism lies in the fact that you get to put your money where your mouth is. If you don't like something then don't pay for it. If you want a car to be manufactured in the USA then stop buying cars built elsewhere! Just be prepared to pay a premium for the privilege.

Finally, please stop complaining over stuff that is, and has always been, 100% under your control, and just fix it already.

/rant

Then how would you answer the short question I posed in post #62 that no one has attempted to answer?

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by tk-421

... and that is a bad thing because.....

What will it take to convince the haters that country of manufacture has no discernible change in overall build quality? A couple of people here actually worked in US car plants and can already confirm that most of those squeaking issues are due to bad design. And bad designers can be found all over the world AFAIK...

Instead of blaming the country where the car is being assembled (to spec, no less), blame the people that approved the crappy design in the first place. Remember kids, a door can only fit into a frame in a certain way. Robots assemble a car in exactly the same manner every time no matter which wall they are plugged to.

And, crucially, people who don't do their jobs correctly tend to get fired much more quickly when the boss stops making money.

The beauty of capitalism lies in the fact that you get to put your money where your mouth is. If you don't like something then don't pay for it. If you want a car to be manufactured in the USA then stop buying cars built elsewhere! Just be prepared to pay a premium for the privilege.

Finally, please stop complaining over stuff that is, and has always been, 100% under your control, and just fix it already.

/rant

This man speaks the truth.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Billiam

This man speaks the truth.

Again, see my short post #62 related to your claim. You haven't answered my question.

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Again, see my short post #62 related to your claim. You haven't answered my question.

I don't have an answer for that. I have no idea what quality standards Toyota has set for that car in that market. In the end, it was his opinion that the car wasn't up to par. The Japanese produced Yaris, though obviously well engineered, is not completely without fault. You will find the occasional issue with them...including an interior noise or two and cheap feeling components. If a guy from Nebraska posts up about is "cheap, junky Yaris" he'll be in the minority around here, right? One person's opinion do not torpedo the whole line, correct? Well, what about one guy posting up about his French built Yaris' cheapness?

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Billiam

I don't have an answer for that. I have no idea what quality standards Toyota has set for that car in that market. In the end, it was his opinion that the car wasn't up to par. The Japanese produced Yaris, though obviously well engineered, is not completely without fault. You will find the occasional issue with them...including an interior noise or two and cheap feeling components. If a guy from Nebraska posts up about is "cheap, junky Yaris" he'll be in the minority around here, right? One person's opinion do not torpedo the whole line, correct? Well, what about one guy posting up about his French built Yaris' cheapness?

Hmm...A few of us stated that we had doubts that the quality of a French built Yaris would match that of a Yaris built in Japan for the U.S. market. You informed us that what mattered was the engineering plus other processes that Toyota has in place to the point that it wouldn't matter where the car was assembled, that the quality would be the same. Now you are saying that you have no idea what quality standards Toyota has set up for that market. I believe you when you state that you don't know what quality standards Toyota has set up for that market, but not knowing that invalidates your criticism of those of us who doubt the quality of the French built Yaris when compared to the U.S. spec built Yaris. This invalidates the particular reasoning for the particular argument you made because,for all either of us knows, the standards Toyota has in place in France might not meet those in place in Japan.

I think that if MRPJ only stated 'It just feels cheap' or 'it is cheap' that his post would lack validity. However, IMHO, he gives a fairly detailed explanation as to WHY he feels the way he does and I feel that adds validity. I think his explanation is detailed enough that it prompts more questions, including one begged by your last post (Are the materials the same for both markets? Are the quality standards the same for both markets Etc.)

[Yaris240]

I agree that Country of origin probably should not matter in biuld quality of a Yaris. But I have to admit, one of the main reasons I bought my 2010 Yaris was that it was one of the last Toyota econocars that were still made in Japan. My 2 previous Toyota's, a 1986 Corolla SR5 and a 1990 Celica ST in my signature that I still own were solid cars. I am probably old fashioned in that I favor made in Japan Toyotas.
If something were to happen to my Yaris, I would probably purchase something else as a replacement if the newer ones are no longer made in Japan. I could always get another used Japanese made Yaris or even a Lexus.