Serious Autocrossers?

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by ozmdd

I prefer to run separate tires/wheels anyway, so tire wear isn't me problem. At least around here, the cars running in SP are mostly fully prepared, so not so desirable. We have a large number of regional/national competitors around here.

then that saves you money on wheels.


now all you have to do is find one of those nationals guys with a set of scrubbed R comps he wants to dump before they get brittle from non-use and you're set for the season.

FSP ftw!

[kngrsll]

Originally Posted by Tamago

then that saves you money on wheels.


now all you have to do is find one of those nationals guys with a set of scrubbed R comps he wants to dump before they get brittle from non-use and you're set for the season.

FSP ftw!

or buy 2 yr old motorola cup hoosiers lol

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by kngrsll

or buy 2 yr old motorola cup hoosiers lol

yup, or spec miata R888's and/or RA1's.. i've put hundreds of miles on used RA1's.

[kngrsll]

Originally Posted by Tamago

yup, or spec miata R888's and/or RA1's.. i've put hundreds of miles on used RA1's.

good thought, id like some R888s

[kngrsll]

as for the convo between tamago and ozmdd, i do like autox classing as a sort of "self check" to keep from spending too much money, or money on stuff i dont need. think about it, the rules only consider things that are really competitive improvements. if its a grey area and not on there, probably not helpful. another thing is it limits you to what you can do. my old 240 is the prime example. when i first bough it and modified it like a "time attack" jdm tyte car, it drove like crap. i did one autox in a stock s2k and ended up 2nd fastest time of the day. then, i knew i was fast, but my car probably sucked. so i sold my "w00t" parts: adjustable pillow A-arms, coilovers, lots of random stuff. i used that money to buy koni's, stiff springs, full poly bushings, and a set of wheels/slicks. then, i went from floundering mid pack in SM with street tires, to dominating DSP with (used)slicks, and went so far as infuriating a national champion by hounding him at a regional event and finishing 3rd. so i basically had bolts ons: intake, header, exhaust, pulley. and i had all the suspension mods: springs, shocks, sway bars, strut bars. there were a few things left, i had a seat already, and the final big piece in street prepared was the LSD. i got a helical S15 diff, and that TRANSFORMED the car. it went from a good, solid car, to unbelievably great!

then i started doing track days and totally forgot about autox lol i still try to loosely conform to some sort of class rules from SCCA mostly to keep me from buying stuff i dont need.

[ozmdd]

Yaris-X turns-out to be right on the sway bar. check this thread:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sho...021#post401021

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by ozmdd

Yaris-X turns-out to be right on the sway bar. check this thread:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sho...021#post401021

nope, read my reply.

he's still wrong.

[Tamago]

i've heard the Spec miata guys are boycotting the R888's actually, in favor of the older brother, the RA1

[mojoyaris]

Yup. This is what we're hearing from up north in Canada. Toyo USA seems to be bending under the pressure of groups like NASA to bring back the RA1.
The R888 is turning out to be a different animal than the RA1. Is it cost?
People are noticing that the R888's don't need as much camber on them to work as effectively as the RA1's which seem to need more camber in them.

Of course these are all the GG compound tires you guys have in the USA. In Japan we have the SG compound which is Hoosier A6 territory!! :)

Maybe soon you guys will get this compound in the R888's. Spread the word!
SG compound, We want them and want the SCCA to approve the tire for competition!!!!

The Yaris will do well in FSP with just suspension, LSD and tires. Smooth driving and learn to execute the tighter turns when you are in a gear that may be too tall to get any use of the power. Try some 225/45/13's to improve the gear ratio. This will help alot if you can't find a close ratio box.

You can also go 255/45/13 from Hoosier up front and put on 225/s on the back. Some fender work will need to be done.....

[mojoyaris]

Or go with the big boys and play in SM!!!

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by mojoyaris

Or go with the big boys and play in SM!!!

but whyyyyyyyy!!!!

it's sad that a supercharger puts you in SM, when the car could technically be thrown in STX or STU and be competitive without dominating.

[mojoyaris]

Originally Posted by Tamago

but whyyyyyyyy!!!!

it's sad that a supercharger puts you in SM, when the car could technically be thrown in STX or STU and be competitive without dominating.

I was in SM without a supercharger. It's just fun trying to see how well you can do in a certain category. Kinda like the David VS Goliath. I don't really care if I win. The car can't win in SM without a Supercharger and super big tires, but it's fun trying to get there!

For me, it's all about the fun. If you're not having fun, what's the point? Most people don't get paid to do this and it's all about the grassroots of the sport. Having fun, learning about your car and meeting people. I'm too old to worry about being uber competitive. My reaction time is too slow and my vision is failing me.

For serious Auto x'rs you gotta remember that it's the fun that counts.

When you auto x in the cold winter rain and slush and snow,,,,,sometimes its not fun.

We do this in the winter!!

[lilredrocket]

Tamago what about a Yaris on slicks? You can run those in HS. Just make sure you don't roll it.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by lilredrocket

Tamago what about a Yaris on slicks? You can run those in HS. Just make sure you don't roll it.

exactly.

if you run slicks in HS, go buy that FSB. it goes against everything i say about a big front bar, but for the lvoe of god don't roll it

[Morgan]

ok....

for what its worth

I have driven my Yaris in HS, STS and now SM.... out of every class best bang for you buck is STS - hands down. Have a few bolt ons, beat some crappy newbs and call it a day.

HS was fun to me cause I could scare the living **** out of anyone due to the body roll, definitely worth a laugh, but you will NEVER really be competitive even with RComps in HStock. The car just doesn't have the characteristics of the worst year civic or <insert-any-crappy-HS-car-here>

But by far my biggest contribution -

After spending lots of both time and money on the Supercharger, RComps, Spacers (no offense Joel), Water/Meth, Springs and Sway bar.... in a heart beat I'd give it all up to go back to do it over again and spend all my money on the miata I picked up in July. Even with all of this I am not really competitive for FTD and on occasion get it handed to me by a stock mr2/miata. Its not that I'm not a good enough driver, its that the yaris just WAS NOT DESIGNED to do this type of driving - no matter what anyone says. As long as you keep that in perspective the yaris is a fun toy to screw with people at the track

Part of the appeal for me is to be the girl (considering I've seen only 2 other females at my region in the past 2 years) and to stay mid-pack in my econocar.

If you want to go fast and compete nationally, I hate to say it, but stick to what works and get a beater miata/civic/focus/mr2 and start there. Start with something fully independent, something seriously supported in the racing community and get lots of seat time. It sucks but if you don't accept that the Yaris will never be a national competitor you will waste lots of time, effort and money chasing that pipe dream :/

On a happier note, NOTHING beats scaring the hell out of someone in my car at the track who has just written me off as some chick with a hatchback up there to support her boyfriend

[ozmdd]

Originally Posted by Morgan

ok....

for what its worth

I have driven my Yaris in HS, STS and now SM.... out of every class best bang for you buck is STS - hands down. Have a few bolt ons, beat some crappy newbs and call it a day.

HS was fun to me cause I could scare the living **** out of anyone due to the body roll, definitely worth a laugh, but you will NEVER really be competitive even with RComps in HStock. The car just doesn't have the characteristics of the worst year civic or <insert-any-crappy-HS-car-here>

But by far my biggest contribution -

After spending lots of both time and money on the Supercharger, RComps, Spacers (no offense Joel), Water/Meth, Springs and Sway bar.... in a heart beat I'd give it all up to go back to do it over again and spend all my money on the miata I picked up in July. Even with all of this I am not really competitive for FTD and on occasion get it handed to me by a stock mr2/miata. Its not that I'm not a good enough driver, its that the yaris just WAS NOT DESIGNED to do this type of driving - no matter what anyone says. As long as you keep that in perspective the yaris is a fun toy to screw with people at the track

Part of the appeal for me is to be the girl (considering I've seen only 2 other females at my region in the past 2 years) and to stay mid-pack in my econocar.

If you want to go fast and compete nationally, I hate to say it, but stick to what works and get a beater miata/civic/focus/mr2 and start there. Start with something fully independent, something seriously supported in the racing community and get lots of seat time. It sucks but if you don't accept that the Yaris will never be a national competitor you will waste lots of time, effort and money chasing that pipe dream :/

On a happier note, NOTHING beats scaring the hell out of someone in my car at the track who has just written me off as some chick with a hatchback up there to support her boyfriend

Just so people new to autoX are not confused here, STS is now called ST, and what used to be STS2 is now STS. Difference is that 2-seat cars are classed separately from 4-seaters. That changed this year, so people who have run it in the past are referring to the old class name. You won't ever run against miatas.

Morgan, you rock!

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by ozmdd

Just so people new to autoX are not confused here, STS is now called ST, and what used to be STS2 is now STS. Difference is that 2-seat cars are classed separately from 4-seaters. That changed this year, so people who have run it in the past are referring to the old class name. You won't ever run against miatas.

Morgan, you rock!

on the class naming issue - I'm glad someone has explained that to me, our region is slightly archaic in the classing division but yes what you said makes sense. Yaris' compete against other fwd, with bolt ons and miatas compete in the class that are 2 seaters, with ~bolt ons

and thanks hope that info helped, even if it wasn't all good news

[lilredrocket]

I'm not going to run on slicks but your saying that if you want to run slicks in HS get the front sway bar from Garm? Why would you do that?