Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by TOLMACH

Interesting results you have.. Normally people never go back to 2 ways system after playing with 3 way ones.

I usually do not care a lot about the sound stage and imaging, as IMO both these concepts are overly exegerrated in car audio.. (have some experiance with EMMA competitions) .. I am more concerned with getting proper tonal accuracy and spectral balance.. again.. that said, somehow (quite unexpectedly) I have gotten quite a nice stage im my yaris.. if I close my eyes, sound stage seems something like 10 or 12 inches wider that my A-pillars..

we both understand what midranges play a huge role in staging.. and yours are looking more towards each other while mine are somewhat more pointed towards the front listeners.. I was kinda suspecting you'd get a much better stage..

again.. these are just my thoughts

pls, keep us informed about your next experiments

Thanks TOLMACH, the little 6.5 woofer makes a great SQ system, I should called "A personal SQ experience". Will keep you up to date!

2 or 3 way:
I'm not going with a 2 way, I'm going to end up with a 3way!, because of the physical proportions, geometry and cabin construction I'm going to use a 3 way, what I was saying is that because my Mids (in a-pillars) are at the same distance to my ears (PLDs) than my Lows in the OEM door location. What makes the 2 way sound wider because the Lows in doors are farther apart from each other, compare to the Mids in the a-pillars.

But to improve my system, I can move my Mids to the a-frame, farther distance I can get from my ears, this way my PLDs will be shorter by doing this I will get most of my 3 way system, better than what I have now.

I agree with proper tonal accuracy and spectral balance, but first I need to get physically everything in the right place.

I had my Mids at some point looking at the listeners (if you look back in this thread, or see photos below) and yes the stages seems wider, open a window and it's gone, I got the conclusion that the reflexion of the side windows was helping to wide the stage, but also was screwing my image by creating a "V" shape, for example when I play the 7 drum track (see image below). That is why I change my Mids to the a-pillar, Sqcomp advice me about putting in the a-frame, I should have listened to him! further and far apart is better.

[packetrace]

What have you used on the A pillar to do this texture ?

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by packetrace

What have you used on the A pillar to do this texture ?

I'ts a texture spray I got at Walmart that was on sale for $5 bucks. I did like it better before black paint, but I really wanted the a-pillars to be black.

D.

[sqcomp]

mmm...I'll agree with PLDs.

Let me get this straight, you're not using the midrange anymore? Tweeter and midbass?

I've got some alternate aiming on the A-pillars with some tweeter action in different areas (not in the kick). We'll compare notes. I wish we could listen to each other's setups. Too far away...

Can you imagine what kind of trouble we could get in if we lived closer? Man!

I suppose the other thing with mine is that I'm going for a two seat tune at some time in the future. We're both operating very different setups...

...Instead of muting your mid channel on the deck, just get into the initial setup and change it to a two way instead of a three way setup...

[derickveliz2]

CAPS ARE MINE

Originally Posted by sqcomp

mmm...I'll agree with PLDs. I SHOULD HAVE LISTEN TO YOU WHEN YOU SUGGESTED ME TO TRY MY MIDS IN THE KICK AREA!

Let me get this straight, you're not using the midrange anymore? Tweeter and midbass? CORRECT!

I've got some alternate aiming on the A-pillars with some tweeter action in different areas (not in the kick). We'll compare notes. I wish we could listen to each other's setups. ME TOO! ANY PRISONS OR JAILS IN YOUR AREA? Too far away...

Can you imagine what kind of trouble we could get in if we lived closer? I KNOW, IKNOW Man!

I suppose the other thing with mine is that I'm going for a two seat tune at some time in the future. We're both operating very different setups... NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT, MINE IS PILOT'S SIDE ONLY JEJE, VERY SELFISH

...Instead of muting your mid channel on the deck, just get into the initial setup and change it to a two way instead of a three way setup... I GUESS I COULD DO THAT, BUT SINCE I WANT TO PUT MY 3 WAY TOGETHER AGAIN, BUT NOW THE MIDS WILL GO IN THE A-FRAME

[_S7V7N_]

Everything is looking Great D. Just stopping by to say " whuddupp". Sq what's been good man, when you gonna make a trip down to TX. I moved down here at the end of July and am having a Blast, they have quite a few shows coming up .


Yo SQ have you guys ran into any of these yet at the shop ? Crunch CRBT-4 I'm thinking bout grabbing me a pair just to play around with.




# 3-3/4" Full Range High Output Horn Tweeter
# Power Handling

* Peak: 250 watts
* RMS: 100 watts

# 1" Bullet type tweeter
# 1" Extreme high temperature kapton voice coil
# Machined die cast aluminum enclosure
# 25mm x 7mm NdFeb magnet structure
# 4 Ohm impedance
# Sensitivity: 100 dB
# Frequency Response: 1850-21,000 Hz

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by _S7V7N_

Everything is looking Great D. Just stopping by to say " whuddupp". Sq what's been good man, when you gonna make a trip down to TX. I moved down here at the end of July and am having a Blast, they have quite a few shows coming up .


Yo SQ have you guys ran into any of these yet at the shop ? Crunch CRBT-4 I'm thinking bout grabbing me a pair just to play around with.

Thanks S7, that tweeter looks good for a home system, how big is it?

D.

[sqcomp]

There are several prisons in the state...They're always hiring. We have better weather than the East coast. Less snow, much less humidity, and less bugs!

[derickveliz2]

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

D.

This crazy idea of the subwoofer was really GOOD!

it was AWESOME!!!, but with a penalty in power (SPL).

I got really good Bass up front very natural but.... I was lacking of "cone area" so the very low end wasn't strong enough to blow your ears, not a bad thing for SQ at moderate volume... but I had to push the limits of the little subwoofer all the time.

Like the race between a Prius and a BMW M3 where the Toyota was going as fast as possible and the M3 was just following behind.

At the end the M3 did better MPG than the Prius. Here is the LINK just FF to minute 4 and watch.

http://youtu.be/JmxUsGiGp3w

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

D.

This little sub is one of the best experiences that I will remember for ever!

Great solution if you have a small trunk or don't have one.

Don't subestimate the size of it's 6.5" woofer. It's just awesome!

D.

[derickveliz2]

Ok, here are the first 100 miles of the I6SW...

(note that I all ready changed my signature, bye bye IDQ12)


I have to be honest here... I was very exited this morning when I jumped in my car, and got my self going... the fist 10 miles... mmm, "Maybe I should use 2 I6SW" I was a little dissapointed maybe even more because I remember thinking "I'm moving back the IDQ up front"

Well heading to my destination after 40 miles or so... I forgot I was testing the I6SW, and "What? this sounds good, feels like that little woofer it's growing" no kidding started to come alive! well sort of.

By the time I was almost back home after 80 miles or so, I just couldn't believe it! I don't want to write here that "Hits Hard" it doesn't I'm sure I'm not going to wake up my neighbors, but the BASS up front is great! my chest, my arms, my shoulders are witness of this wonderful effect!

When I got home with a big smile on my face, I can tell you... this is not a LOUD woofer, it doesn't shake the car like crazy, but man does plays "JUST RIGHT", This is what I wanted, some thing really cool, that sounds great, makes my music feel "BOLD" and at least to me a sweet spot for Sound Quality. And the fact that now I feel the BASS coming from the front, hitting my chest! vrs the BASS Shaking my seat and that rumble coming from the back. I really love having the BASS up front! You can tell I'm happy!

Ok ok,... too many good things about it, so here we go it's not a little monster, that likes to play at super high volumes (I don't really listen music at super high volumes any whay) it's more sensitive to changes than the IDQ12, and it sounds really good with some music but I didn't like it when playing rap music, it just didn't feel right, maybe after a break in period I could give more details. I remember the same feelings when I installed my IDQ12, at the beginning was so-so, but after a while turned into a really good woofer.

Now I have three 10" Kicker Solo Baric woofers, one 10" Bazooka tube, one IDQ12; all these sound great, I was impressed with the Bazooka, and the power handling of the Solo Baric, and the IDQ12 has a special place in my heart, but nothing compares to the feeling having the BASS up front where everything else is happening.

For now the first two and a half hours took me from in-satisfaction to a "wow this sounds great, not bad for a 6.5" woofer"

D.

[dawin2122]

SALUDOS DERICK TIENES FACEBOOK O MESSENGER QUIERO PREGUNTARTE ALGO GRACIAS

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by dawin2122

SALUDOS DERICK TIENES FACEBOOK O MESSENGER QUIERO PREGUNTARTE ALGO GRACIAS

Si claro...

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D.

[dawin2122]

PERDONA DERICK PERO NO TE ENCUENTRO PUEDES ENVIARME UNA SOLICITUD TU MY NONBRE
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[dawin2122]

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CON DOS Z EN VELAZQUEZ

[TOLMACH]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

Ok, here are the first 100 miles of the I6SW...

(note that I all ready changed my signature, bye bye IDQ12)


I have to be honest here... I was very exited this morning when I jumped in my car, and got my self going... the fist 10 miles... mmm, "Maybe I should use 2 I6SW" I was a little dissapointed maybe even more because I remember thinking "I'm moving back the IDQ up front"

Well heading to my destination after 40 miles or so... I forgot I was testing the I6SW, and "What? this sounds good, feels like that little woofer it's growing" no kidding started to come alive! well sort of.

By the time I was almost back home after 80 miles or so, I just couldn't believe it! I don't want to write here that "Hits Hard" it doesn't I'm sure I'm not going to wake up my neighbors, but the BASS up front is great! my chest, my arms, my shoulders are witness of this wonderful effect!

When I got home with a big smile on my face, I can tell you... this is not a LOUD woofer, it doesn't shake the car like crazy, but man does plays "JUST RIGHT", This is what I wanted, some thing really cool, that sounds great, makes my music feel "BOLD" and at least to me a sweet spot for Sound Quality. And the fact that now I feel the BASS coming from the front, hitting my chest! vrs the BASS Shaking my seat and that rumble coming from the back. I really love having the BASS up front! You can tell I'm happy!

Ok ok,... too many good things about it, so here we go it's not a little monster, that likes to play at super high volumes (I don't really listen music at super high volumes any whay) it's more sensitive to changes than the IDQ12, and it sounds really good with some music but I didn't like it when playing rap music, it just didn't feel right, maybe after a break in period I could give more details. I remember the same feelings when I installed my IDQ12, at the beginning was so-so, but after a while turned into a really good woofer.

Now I have three 10" Kicker Solo Baric woofers, one 10" Bazooka tube, one IDQ12; all these sound great, I was impressed with the Bazooka, and the power handling of the Solo Baric, and the IDQ12 has a special place in my heart, but nothing compares to the feeling having the BASS up front where everything else is happening.

For now the first two and a half hours took me from in-satisfaction to a "wow this sounds great, not bad for a 6.5" woofer"

D.

I think your 6.5 Inch sub in ported box should me more than enough for SQ.. that being said, I now have a cheap "entry level" 12 inch sub in my trunk which is powered by bridged pair of channels of 4 channel amp (the other pair powering the 3way front speakers) .. this is of course, temporary as I have a designated amp for my sub which will be installed shorlty. Still, my sub being powered by an innappropriate amp, does sound pretty nice - the bass is both fast enough for my midwoofers (does not lag behind) and deep enough.. all in all, I can pretty surely say that bass is not localized in the trunk - nice and tight bass as it should be.. Btw, my sub is crossed at 70Hz 2nd order which is too high (can not adjust lower as my present amp does not have the built in crossovers .. have ot use this stuff http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=266-252) .. I normally cross my subs in the range 50-60 hz.. and bass still does not localize in the trunk

I also told you before, that I really like free-air subs in sedans (in rear decks) - couple 10 inchers would both result in decent pressure level and be amazing in terms of SQ: very fast and quality bass

Anyways, congrats with your sub project, also looks nice!

[sqcomp]

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at in the beginning. It's a 6.5" woofer in a "simple" ported enclosure.

At no time should one expect this woofer to replace the IDQ 12". It just doesn't have the cone area or excursion to do so.

BUT, for what you're using it for, an up front bass presence, this is a spectacular idea and execution Derick. Give us more on your conclusions.