Manual Transmission...Safety Issue!!!

[mrb3990]

I own a 2010 manual yaris. It took me about a month to become comfortable with the clutch, but I have no problems driving it now. What does PITA stand for?

[bitz767]

Originally Posted by mrb3990

I own a 2010 manual yaris. It took me about a month to become comfortable with the clutch, but I have no problems driving it now. What does PITA stand for?

pain in the ass

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by twocvforme

Who has problems with clutch, gas and start off in first gear... ???

Yes, we can do it - but in comparison to the FIT and the Versa....The Yaris idle is so low and the clutch is so touchy.. and with a slight incline one stalls at times ..It's such a simple vehicle..........What a dissappointment.

Please test drive before buying..............

A real discussion topic in many other Yaris forums and many are trading already.........mostly for safety issues with stalling in intersections and or being rear ended..

sounds like 100% driver error

[mrb3990]

Thanks for the explanation, bitz. Tamago, neither I nor most other posters had the OP's difficulties with our stick shifts. After reading the whole thread, I think the OP's problems were that he owned to many cars with manual transmissions and just couldn't get used to the Yaris, or possibly something was wrong with his car.

[tomato]

Originally Posted by mrb3990

Thanks for the explanation, bitz. Tamago, neither I nor most other posters had the OP's difficulties with our stick shifts. After reading the whole thread, I think the OP's problems were that he owned to many cars with manual transmissions and just couldn't get used to the Yaris, or possibly something was wrong with his car.

I read the whole thread, too, because I had similar problems in the beginning. The Yaris MT *does* take a while to get used to. It's not a deal breaker by any means, just something to be aware of.

Originally Posted by Tamago

sounds like 100% driver error

yeah, partly. They just needed a little more time to adapt to the car.

[why?]

heh, when the car originally came out people just didn't like it. This was quite a huge debate back then, it is funny that this thread hasn't died.

Even after almost 4 years of driving my Yaris i still stall it once in a while.

There were a few people that did the 1 month and traded it in because they just couldn't stand the clutch and dbw. The must have had money to burn.

[talnlnky]

Originally Posted by tomato

I read the whole thread, too, because I had similar problems in the beginning. The Yaris MT *does* take a while to get used to. It's not a deal breaker by any means, just something to be aware of.



yeah, partly. They just needed a little more time to adapt to the car.

I wonder how many people in the world refuse to drive a manaul because the first few times they tried to learn how to drive it they just had too much difficulty? Society looks at those people as being lame, lazy, and quiters.... how is it any different for somebody who sells a yaris after 1 month of ownership?

[why?]

lots of people nowadays refuse to drive a manual, that is why it is very hard to find a lot of models of cars with anything but a slush box.

I remember trying to teach my best friend, she took five minutes and then decided she didn't need to learn...

[tomato]

hmmm... I never had a choice. I learned how to drive on an old MT. It was either that or nothing, so I learned on the old MT and continued driving MT's for pretty much the rest of my life (except for a couple of old V8's along the way ;).

I like MT. I think switching gears manually is part of the fun. But then again, I enjoy driving.

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by why?

lots of people nowadays refuse to drive a manual, that is why it is very hard to find a lot of models of cars with anything but a slush box.

I remember trying to teach my best friend, she took five minutes and then decided she didn't need to learn...

IDK about that one, BMW made a e60m5 with a crappy 6speed just to satisfy the 'Purist' driver. Most people couldn't stand it wasn't a manual, even tho the SMG was SUPER FAST.

[Yaris#2]

Ok, I just read through this entire thread. I've had my 5dr manual just under 2 wks now and since I normally drive a 5 speed Nissan pick-up, I know that its going to take a while to get used to the difference in the clutchs and I end up slipping the Yaris in first and doing the same to the truck when I get back in it. I wish it didn't rev when I shift, but I got 32mpg on the first tank of gas driving all but a few miles in town in the winter! I can't get that in my 4 cylinder 5sp truck even if I shut it off and coast down hill on the highway! I love the car. The reving between shifts makes me think people are laughing that I don't know how to drive a stick, but then I realize, the ones that are really laughing are laughing that I'm driving a Yaris, because they have never driven a Yaris! The car is a blast to drive and with the manual, I can still leave most of the drivers on the road in my dust anytime I choose to. Oh, and I'll use less gas doing it than they are putzing along.

He who laughs last, laughs best :)

[tomato]

^ nobody is laughing, and just wait and see, once you're no longer having to think about the clutch, the car becomes *really* fun to drive.

And by the way, welcome to the forum

[pawsplus]

I just got my 2010 3dr 5-speed and have only had it a week. I did have a bit of trouble getting used to going from zero to first gear, but it's getting better and I'm getting used to it. It's just a matter of adjusting to the individual car. They're all different. I stalled out a few times the first few days and found I just need to give it a little more gas than I would have thought. We're all good now!

[MUSKOKA800]

Originally Posted by twocvforme

Who has problems with clutch, gas and start off in first gear... ???

Yes, we can do it - but in comparison to the FIT and the Versa....The Yaris idle is so low and the clutch is so touchy.. and with a slight incline one stalls at times ..It's such a simple vehicle..........What a dissappointment.

Please test drive before buying..............

A real discussion topic in many other Yaris forums and many are trading already.........mostly for safety issues with stalling in intersections and or being rear ended..

They must be either untrained, uncoordinated, spastic, handicapped or texting.
In all cases, best take the bus and spare the rest of the collateral damage they're likely to leave in their wake for the balance of their driving lives.

[koolerking]

I'll also say i agree with the thread starter. I've been driving for 20 years, 95% of that with a manual. After owning my manual 2007 1.3 yaris I still have the same issues. At first i just thought it was me getting used to manual after driving my old auto subaru, but after 18 months the clutch pick up and throttle lag coming off the gas it is still annoying the hell out me. I have stalled it due to the clutch "bogging down" when it hasn't enough gas from off the line, to the opposite of spinning the wheels all the way through to second (on a hill start) when you give it enough throttle to not bog down!

I hate it! Are any of these after market ECU's any good at the throttle lag? Is the clutch hydraulic or cable? If it hydraulic is it controlled by the ECU and therefore able to be adjusted with a uprated brain?

Id also like to add the spinning of wheels isn't helped by the fact the yaris is VERY light on its front end, even with new Dunlops on!

[woof]

Originally Posted by koolerking

I'll also say i agree with the thread starter. I've been driving for 20 years, 95% of that with a manual. After owning my manual 2007 1.3 yaris I still have the same issues. At first i just thought it was me getting used to manual after driving my old auto subaru, but after 18 months the clutch pick up and throttle lag coming off the gas it is still annoying the hell out me. I have stalled it due to the clutch "bogging down" when it hasn't enough gas from off the line, to the opposite of spinning the wheels all the way through to second (on a hill start) when you give it enough throttle to not bog down!

I hate it! Are any of these after market ECU's any good at the throttle lag? Is the clutch hydraulic or cable? If it hydraulic is it controlled by the ECU and therefore able to be adjusted with a uprated brain?

Id also like to add the spinning of wheels isn't helped by the fact the yaris is VERY light on its front end, even with new Dunlops on!

Well, I still have my hatch and I still manage to kill it once in a while. I have figured out that the first year I had mine that I didn't realize 'dead pedal' was keeping me from getting my foot all the way down to the floorboard. This means that initial clutch take up was nearly zero. It took a long while to actually look and see the geography of the dead pedal and clutch pedal. Once I saw the clutch pedal was nearly dead center of the steering column I adjusted my foot and started getting the pedal all the way down. My xB1 didn't have this dead pedal AND it had a higher numerical overall final drive number--it was geared lower to keep that brick moving through air on the highway. I think this higher overall ratio made it easier to launch the xB1. The Yaris is definitely designed for high mileage unlike my xB1.

Toyota is definitely at fault for the pedal location. What puzzles me is that it was designed in Europe (as I recall) and they don't have dainty feet either!

My greatest disappointment has been the failure of my dealer or Gulf States to do the right thing on this. They know there are problems.

[chrisj]

I always pushed clutches in vehicles all the way to the floor. Habit I guess. Is this the issue with the Yaris? Not doing it far enough? I was thinking about the next one I get (one for me this time) may be a stick, but now I don't know.

[Hershey]

The 2008 L.B. with 5 speed maual we had was a bit finicky when started out in 1st . Even worse in reverse . But once you got going it was a fun , especially after putting REDLINE MT-90 in the tranny , much smoother shifting and no clunking into reverse . Liked the low gear ratio , could easily creep up to stop sign in 1st , then remain almost still few seconds w/o stalling and away you go . Miss that car .