Price for a 2009 3 door liftback w/ options

[wiirenet]

Ok smart YARIS! people, anyone willing to give their insight on this?
Yes, I've lurked the forum, looked at a lot of threads about pricing, but I have a feeling a lot of those threads had people talking about buying a 2007/2008 model. So I am curious what YOU guys think a good price for a 2009 is?

My dad went to dealer and I have searched edmunds.com for their TMV=True Market Value prices, here are the prices we've gotten

NEW ** 2009 Black Sand Pearl 3 Door Liftback (dealer: 13,305 // edmunds TMV 11,819)
Power Package w/Steel Wheels (dealer: 1,580 // edmunds TMV $1,318 )
((^ on the dealer sheet they have one power pack. option. On edmunds there are 2 and I'm picking the cheaper. I hope we have the choice for the cheaper at the dealer..))
Remote Keyless Entry System (dealer: 230 // edmunds TMV $203))
All Weather Guard Package/Cold weather (dealer all weather: 110 // edmunds cold weather $97)
((on edmunds the all weather is a few hundred. I think my dealer is actually selling cold weather package not all weather but named it all weather.. it doesnt matter because I want cold weather anyway))


Ok, any advice? Should I stand tough and bring in a paper with edmund's TMV pricing and tell them I won't buy it unless I get those prices? Or do you think the edmunds prices are too low or high?

I'm getting worried because my dad came home and said "It's over 16,000" while looking at the paper the dealer gave him. It was like he didn't even consider we are going to haggle. I used edmunds and see a price of about 14,000.

I'm worried that I, as a girl barely 21 with no car knowledge, is going to have to try to haggle with the dealers because my dad, lots of life experience for a 60 year old and owner of lots of cars, seemed to accept the 16,000. What do you guys think, is it being an ass and shooting too high if I am stuck on edmund's TMV prices? It just surprised me my dad accepted the dealer's prices. Thanks for reading =)

[otterhere]

We are not smart car people... We are yaris people... hahahahaha

:laugh:

[wiirenet]

Well yea, thats why I'm posting here not a generic car forum... I've really enjoyed lurking here the past week and its gotten me very excited for my purchase and I love the insight, knowledge, tips, pics, and everything that everyone has posted here!

[tomato]

hmmm.. can't answer your question exactly, but I can tell you that in this economy, I would definitely haggle. Worse case scenario, they say no? Well, at least you tried.
But you and your Dad need to get on the same page before you go into the dealership.

I bought my Yaris used, from a Toyota dealership. I knew how much I wanted to spend all together and I guess the dealer and I had to meet each other half way. They still got me with an expensive last minute keyless entry / alarm add on, though, I hadn't researched that and I ended up saying yes just to be done with the paperwork already. Still happy with the car and no regrets.

Good luck.

[tomato]

One thing you DEFINITELY need to do is to research the financing BEFORE YOU GO to the dealer. If you're going to pay cash, then great, but otherwise, make sure you get that squared away before hand.

[otterhere]

I had the whole "price discussion" thing on e-mail before going there; if you try to haggle in person... Well, think of it as getting in an aquarium tank with a giant squid... Nothing left to do but sign the paperwork and hand over the money (cash). Get it in writing first.

[wiirenet]

Thanks so much for replying =) Blah, yea, I forgot that a lot of the posts here I read that people bought used- but I really want new. So yea, re edited my post to say it I want a new one.

We are looking into the financing options too- but right now I want to focus on the actual car price.

I know I will try to check out a bank loan before the dealer's loan because I read a loan somewhere else is usually better. I am doing my research hehe.

Part of me worries that in this economy they might actually not want to haggle because they need as much money as possible.. like they won't want to waste a car on me because they need to sell it to someone who will pay more..

*edited to add* Otter, if I tried emailing them, do you think its in bad form to say straight out "These are the prices on edmunds.com, I want you to match them" or will they just probably laugh at my email..

Boy, I would love to see the email logs with back and forth car haggling, would bring a lot of insight into the process for noobs! But I understand that they are private emails and no one would just post them online.

[tomato]

Thanks so much for replying =) Blah, yea, I forgot that a lot of the posts here I read that people bought used- but I really want new. So yea, re edited my post to say it I want a new one.

We are looking into the financing options too- but right now I want to focus on the actual car price.

I know I will try to check out a bank loan before the dealer's loan because I read a loan somewhere else is usually better. I am doing my research hehe.

Part of me worries that in this economy they might actually not want to haggle because they need as much money as possible.. like they won't want to waste a car on me because they need to sell it to someone who will pay more..


I think most of the posters on this board bought their car new. Just be patient and the replies will come in.

The financing is far more important than people realize. The price of the car is one thing, but getting a good deal on financing can add up to saving hundreds (sometimes thousands) of dollars.

As to your worries that the dealer won't want to "waste a car on you" hmmm.. I don't know about that. Cars aren't exactly flying off the lots lately, are they? :cool:

Yarii with MT sell faster around here, though, I can tell you this much because it was hard to find one, especially used one, and they don't stay on the lot long.

[otterhere]

Our local dealer had a commercial on TV last night offering 2009 Yaris hatchbacks for under $11k with a $1k rebate (which makes it sound like you'd get it for $10k)??? I dunno about that; of course you have to take certain packages -- they don't come without them -- and of course that'll drive the cost up. Just take your time, and keep a cool head... Don't worry, and never let 'em see ya sweat, LOL... Have fun...

Oh, and "smart car" people; get it? Smart Car (the Twofer)? Vs. Yaris? Anyway...

[CTScott]

I think that your best bet is to start with looking at what the local dealers have in inventory and try to find one that matches what you want. If you start picking and choosing options, then the dealer has to try to match your wants with cars on their way or on other dealer's lots. What they have in their inventory, they have the most room for negotiation with.

I bought my 09 5dr LB in October. I pre-ordered it back in July and the dealer I was working with entered my wants into the computer and once the first build lot was being shipped he received notification of the car that was "preferenced" for my order. It was about an 90% match so I accepted it (and would have had to wait quite a bit longer for a 100% match). I paid full sticker price, but thanks to the current state of the economy you shouldn't have to.

[HTM Yaris]

Wait a minute , you have been "stalking" us ? :biggrin:

Shop around and you could probably get a slightly better price . I would'nt doddle to much though , gas prices are going back up and the Yaris will fetch premium prices soon .

[wiirenet]

Thanks, I just feel like since this will my first huge purchase.. I want to have exactly what I want or I'll regret it. I'm ok with waiting a while because my old junk is still running. I don't think I'm being *that* choosey.. just power windows, keyless entry, and I guess the weather thing isn't a big deal, just thought it best for my safety/convenience with chicago winters.
But yea, it won't hurt to ask whats on the lot and see the pricing. But I'm willing to pay an extra thousand and wait a few months to get my exact want.

I'm thinking I'll give them a price of 13,000 with all the options I want, unless anyone gives anymore input before I go to the dealer sometimes this month. (Thinking I'll go the last day of the month, as people suggest that.. does it really work?)

Even with thinking about the base being 11,000 like Otterhere said her dealer is advertising, it would be about 12,600 with the options I want with edmund's TMV option pricing. I don't know if 12,600 is too weird to bring up if my dealer is asking 16,000+ so I'm thinking I'll try 13,000...

[nemelek]

Ok smart YARIS! people, anyone willing to give their insight on this?
Yes, I've lurked the forum, looked at a lot of threads about pricing, but I have a feeling a lot of those threads had people talking about buying a 2007/2008 model. So I am curious what YOU guys think a good price for a 2009 is?

My dad went to dealer and I have searched edmunds.com for their TMV=True Market Value prices, here are the prices we've gotten

NEW ** 2009 Black Sand Pearl 3 Door Liftback (dealer: 13,305 // edmunds TMV 11,819)
Power Package w/Steel Wheels (dealer: 1,580 // edmunds TMV $1,318 )
((^ on the dealer sheet they have one power pack. option. On edmunds there are 2 and I'm picking the cheaper. I hope we have the choice for the cheaper at the dealer..))
Remote Keyless Entry System (dealer: 230 // edmunds TMV $203))
All Weather Guard Package/Cold weather (dealer all weather: 110 // edmunds cold weather $97)
((on edmunds the all weather is a few hundred. I think my dealer is actually selling cold weather package not all weather but named it all weather.. it doesnt matter because I want cold weather anyway))


Ok, any advice? Should I stand tough and bring in a paper with edmund's TMV pricing and tell them I won't buy it unless I get those prices? Or do you think the edmunds prices are too low or high?

I'm getting worried because my dad came home and said "It's over 16,000" while looking at the paper the dealer gave him. It was like he didn't even consider we are going to haggle. I used edmunds and see a price of about 14,000.

I'm worried that I, as a girl barely 21 with no car knowledge, is going to have to try to haggle with the dealers because my dad, lots of life experience for a 60 year old and owner of lots of cars, seemed to accept the 16,000. What do you guys think, is it being an ass and shooting too high if I am stuck on edmund's TMV prices? It just surprised me my dad accepted the dealer's prices. Thanks for reading =)

I admire what you are doing. Stand tough! (To the dealer and your dad) This is america and you have the right to get the best possible price on anything that you buy. Don't worry about being an "ass". These people are not your friends. You will never go out to dinner with the person that sold you a car. Look at buying a car as a job. Your role is to get a great price. If you do your research and are able to save $2,000 than you did a great job

Practice. Go to a Ford dealership and test drive a car that you would never buy. Make a real low ball offer and even if they take it walk away. Learn to say no and learn how to leave the dealership with the same car that you came in.

Patience. Make up your mind to get a new car this year not this weekend. Good deals come and go. There will always be another sale or rebate offer. I am sure that there is more than one dealer in town. Get the best price you can from the first one then walk away. Go to the next dealer and see if they can beat the price by $1,000. If they can't then walk away. Wait a week and try a third dealership. Make it known that if they don't deal you will leave. If you spend the time and effort when you do get your Yaris there will be no buyers remorse.

Be flexable. The more willing you are able to take different colors and options the more likely you will get a great price. The dealers are offering great financing these days. You might be better off using their services than your CU.

Watch the closing details. After you get a price the finance guy will try to sell you extended warrantee and other options. Say no to everything. You can get after market items at 1/2 the price. Be prepared for tax and title fees. A 14,000 car might really cost 16,000 after taxes.

Here is an ad from last weeks paper. Watch the fine print. Sometimes they will add in dealer handling for $300-500.

Good luck and report back to us.

[tomato]

... Watch the closing details. After you get a price the finance guy will try to sell you extended warrantee and other options. Say no to everything. You can get after market items at 1/2 the price. Be prepared for tax and title fees. A 14,000 car might really cost 16,000 after taxes.

Here is an ad from last weeks paper. Watch the fine print. Sometimes they will add in dealer handling for $300-500.

Good luck and report back to us.

This is EXCELLENT advice!!! :headbang::respekt::headbang:
Seriously!! :thumbsup: And a really good price for a new Yaris, too! :)

I wish I had known more about closing costs's practices at a dealership before going in.

There are 2 things I didn't do right with my purchase and I'll put them here so others can benefit :

1) I did not research the closing costs closely enough. I knew closing costs could go up to 10% of the price of the car (if you pay cash) because tax is pretty high in California, but I didn't know about the add-ons and was not be prepared to say no to them. In fact, people in this forum advised me about the extended warranty, because I didn't know about that either (thanks guys!!! :headbang:)

2) The worse strike against me was that I was in a hurry, so I couldn't weigh my options, like you. My car was up for a SMOG test and I have reason to believe she wouldn't have passed. Also, she needed some major mechanical repairs, so every time I drove her, I always wondered if I was going to make it at the other end or even be able to start the car... when you show up at a dealership with a car like that, they *know* you really need a car!

What I did right:

I researched the cars online first before taking any test drive (researched the Fit, the Matrix, the Yaris, and a couple of others in the same class).
I read reviews such as Consumer Reports' (a small $20 subscription will let you browse through their entire database for one year, and you can see how the car did in previous years - very useful to buy a used car), found out how much comparable cars would cost, and since I was looking for a used car, I also subscribed to Carfax to be able to run the VIN numbers.

Flexibility is a key point in getting a good deal, I think. I didn't get the color I would have preferred, and there are some little things I don't like about the car, but other cars I looked at were more expensive. Overall, I got a pretty good value with my Yaris, and I'm really happy about that.

:burnrubber:

[deancgibbons]

I just recently purchase my Yaris and am fresh on what they try and pull while making a deal. Hopefully these help:

1. They always claim that they don't make much on the Yaris. Other car's they have room to work with but they say it's not so with this one. When I was at the dealer last week, right before I was going to sign the papers, I told them I didn't want the car. I was pretty firm because truly, I did not want the car. After some talking the finance guy left the room for a few min, when he came back, they lowered the price $700. So there you go. Haggle them in the paper room, they will offer you a better price. (I ended up going to another dealer and getting the price I wanted).

2. If you have a trade-in, do it. You end up paying taxes on the new car price minus the trade-in amount and not just the new car which could potentially save you $600+

And last remember that, if you're not getting the deal that you want, walk out and go somewhere else. Check to see if they have any 08 available (unless your stuck on the 09's). They're willing to make deals on those. Also, see if they're offering any rebates. Be patient and wait for the right deal.

Hope this helps and good luck!

[wiirenet]

Thanks deancgibbons! My dad actually said to me that we can't haggle much because the numbers he saw, show that dealers can't make much on the yaris...he keeps saying he has the invoice price and the dealer won't sell the car for less then the numbers he has, so it sounds like he doesn't even want to try.

I might just literally show him your post saying that you got them to go down another 700.

We have a trade in but my dad thinks he can sell it for more then the dealer will get us.

I'm happy because it turns out we have the 1,000 rebate here too- just started in March. Going to the dealer on march 31st, hopefully will get a salesman desperate to get his monthly sales quota up in his last day :P

Tomato, thanks also. I am hearing a lot about the closing costs... 1,000+ so I will keep that in mind. And yea, this is why I am hurrying with researching the yaris now... my current car seems like its going to die soon, so I rather do my research now then when I'm stuck at the side of the road with a towtruck!

I tried to do the consumer reports thing but it said I need a $39 sub, and its another 14 to get the new car report.. if you see this post.. you wouldnt happen to still be subscribed to Consumer would you? I can pay for the report (have paypal), its the $39 subscription that makes me not want it.

And nemelek thanks for the advice too! I'm keeping it all in mind. I guess I might go to a few dealerships just to look around and talk to them before 'the big day.' I have a month so I'm not rushing the purchase. Just the research part hehe. I'll *try* to be flexible lol.. key word try... I want what I want, *but* I won't dismiss any other yaris on the lot without actually thinking about it. Heck, maybe if they have some awesome 2007/08 I might consider it...

[deancgibbons]

Thanks deancgibbons! My dad actually said to me that we can't haggle much because the numbers he saw, show that dealers can't make much on the yaris...he keeps saying he has the invoice price and the dealer won't sell the car for less then the numbers he has, so it sounds like he doesn't even want to try.

I might just literally show him your post saying that you got them to go down another 700.

We have a trade in but my dad thinks he can sell it for more then the dealer will get us.

I'm happy because it turns out we have the 1,000 rebate here too- just started in March. Going to the dealer on march 31st, hopefully will get a salesman desperate to get his monthly sales quota up in his last day :P

Tomato, thanks also. I am hearing a lot about the closing costs... 1,000+ so I will keep that in mind. And yea, this is why I am hurrying with researching the yaris now... my current car seems like its going to die soon, so I rather do my research now then when I'm stuck at the side of the road with a towtruck!

I tried to do the consumer reports thing but it said I need a $39 sub, and its another 14 to get the new car report.. if you see this post.. you wouldnt happen to still be subscribed to Consumer would you? I can pay for the report (have paypal), its the $39 subscription that makes me not want it.

And nemelek thanks for the advice too! I'm keeping it all in mind. I guess I might go to a few dealerships just to look around and talk to them before 'the big day.' I have a month so I'm not rushing the purchase. Just the research part hehe. I'll *try* to be flexible lol.. key word try... I want what I want, *but* I won't dismiss any other yaris on the lot without actually thinking about it. Heck, maybe if they have some awesome 2007/08 I might consider it...

You bet. Just remember that all the time you spend with a salesman/saleswoman accounts for something. When I purchased my Yaris last week, I probably spent 2 hrs with my saleswoman before I actually got into the office where I signed the papers. In the finance office is where your going to have the most control and the biggest opportunity to haggle. Basically the finance person is the best salesperson there. They're closing the deal. I told my finance person that I wasn't happy with the interest rate and argued that for about 20 min.

After all said and done they gave me $1,200 more for my trade-in, a free 3 year/36,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty and free oil changes for 3 years. And I wasn't even complaining about the price of the car. It sounds like you have the right mind set on everything though, waiting for the right deal and all that. I'm sure you will do fine and get exactly what you want.
Cheers!

[otterhere]

There is currently a $1,000 rebate being offered by Toyota, so definitely get that. I'd also recommend not settling for a car unless you're TOTALLY satisfied with it, seat cover fabric and all, because you're gonna be looking at that seat cover fabric for a looooong time. But I must disagree with the trade-in; they offered me $400 -- $400!!! -- which insulted me because I was in love with my little car, warts and all. I ended up selling it right away privately for $1200 and am sure I could've gotten more if I'd waited longer... Also agree with saving a bundle on a new '08 if they have any of those still sitting around, assuming you can live the polka-dotted seat cover fabric. As for tax, etc., I got an "out the door" (all-inclusive; taxes, license, etc.) price of $13,700 in writing on my new '08 automatic on e-mail through voluminous correspondence with the dealer and brought the papers in with me, just in case he reneged (not necessary, as it turned out; he had the paperwork all ready; I signed and was out the door in minutes).

Good luck, and enjoy the experience.

[otterhere]

As for Consumer Reports, just go to your reference section at the library and xerox it... Ya gotta save money wherever you can! But you won't be impressed with what you read, because CR isn't very impressed with the Yaris. If you have your heart set on it, though, go for it. I can't advise about financing since I paid cash for mine. Have fun.

[deancgibbons]

Check out Kelly Blue Book and see what your trade-in value is. If it's something your okay with, than do it. If you want more money and are willing to take the time to sell it yourself than do that.

Cheers!

[otterhere]

Check out Kelly Blue Book and see what your trade-in value is. If it's something your okay with, than do it. If you want more money and are willing to take the time to sell it yourself than do that.

Cheers!


Granted, it's a pain to sell it yourself (I was lucky enough to find a coworker to buy mine), but they'll basically offer you nothing on a trade-in unless it's practically new; they tried to tell me mine needed new brakes when I'd just replaced them... If you are trading in, don't tell them till the last minute...
:wink:

[wiirenet]

Well, I think I'm partly lucky because my dad is going to take care of the old car selling. He said he will give me 1,000 on top of my money down- but I noticed he only wrote $900 on the sign on my car.. so we'll see what happens. The car is really bad, 13 years old, but also the whole side is smashed in from 2 accidents, no side window on the right, umm when you go over bumps it sounds like the car scrapes the tire, one of the doors doesnt close all the way so you hear all the wind on the highway, oh and the speedometer randomly goes down to 0 for quite a while then goes back up- even if you are obviously going a high speed.

SO, I dont think its worth even 1,000.. but thats what my dads giving me, so good luck to him in selling it for that much.


Now update on my new car- I received this last email from a dealer
"Great news! We will beat that number (15,843 out the door). Then you would still have your incentive choice of rebate or low financing whichever you prefer. Let me know when you would like to get started with the process. Thanks."

I'm not sure if he means he can get me less than 15,843 out the door counting rebate,
or not counting, so actually less than 14,843 out the door. I emailed him back for clarification. We'll see!

[staypuft]

yay, another chicagoland member in the making, whoot!

[otterhere]

wiirenet; just curious how old you are that your dad's helping you out so much; please don't say 54, LOL... Male or female? Just curious...

[nemelek]

I believe that her first post said that she was 21.

[nemelek]

Now update on my new car- I received this last email from a dealer
"Great news! We will beat that number (15,843 out the door). Then you would still have your incentive choice of rebate or low financing whichever you prefer. Let me know when you would like to get started with the process. Thanks."

I'm not sure if he means he can get me less than 15,843 out the door counting rebate,
or not counting, so actually less than 14,843 out the door. I emailed him back for clarification. We'll see!

Usually out the door price means that the dealer keeps the rebate. However see what they say.

This is where it helps to know what a bank or credit union will give you for an interest rate. Then you can compare the numbers to see which is better. For example -- Bank rate 6% for 5 years borrowing 14,000 (15,000 - 1,000 rebate) = 2,240 + 14,000 =16,240. Dealer rate 4% for 5 years borrowing 15,000 (no rebate) = 1,575 + 15,000 = 16,575. You would save $335 by using the bank financing. I have no idea what current bank or dealer interest rates are. These numbers are for example only. When you know more I would be happy to run your numbers.

[bkrownd]

wiirenet; just curious how old you are that your dad's helping you out so much; please don't say 54, LOL... Male or female? Just curious...

The economy must be tough! Dads usually just go out and fix their little girls up with a car, right? :smoking:

[wiirenet]

Hey =) I prob do sound like a kid saying "my dad this, my dad that" lol and yeayea, I'm an adult at 21 (but i dont feel like it!).. and never bought a car before, and my dad says he knows what he's doing- if I had a friend who's bought more cars then my dad, I would prob have enlisted their help.
Plus, with the selling of our old car, it is technically my dad's still, I've just been driving and paying for insurance the past 5 years. But I believe its still his on paper, so thats why he's taking control of the selling.

Plus, I'm working hard to figure things out for myself, hence this forum and emailing dealers. I have a lower quote on the car from emailing a dealer by myself (thanks to the suggestion of you guys!) then my dad got from going to a dealer in person. So I am taking my own initiative and effort too.. and so far am better then my dad haha.

So the dealer emailed me back with "We were not using the rebate in our quote. You have the choice of using the rebate or using the low finance special, whichever you prefer. Thanks"

So I'm guessing theres no way he can turn around and say he's keeping the rebate if I have this email from him. Awesome, I think 14,843 is pretty good so far with all the options I want.

And yup, I will be heading to a bank for loan numbers before judgement day at the dealer.

Aaaand, boy do I wish my dad was fixing me up with a car. I'm putting down a 1,500 downment of my own money, and will be paying back the loan with my own money. My dads giving me the thousand for the current car I drive, and I am super thankful for that, although I've put way more then a thousand into that car through paying for the insurance!

[bkrownd]

Aaaand, boy do I wish my dad was fixing me up with a car. I'm putting down a 1,500 downment of my own money, and will be paying back the loan with my own money.

:thumbsup: Treat it right and you won't have to auto shop again for another 25-30 years.

[nemelek]

I think that you are doing a great job! I wish that I had the access to information and the humility to ask questions that you are asking when I was 21. I thought that I knew it all and I paid the price. If you are 21, 31, 41 buying your first car is always a learning experience. Getting help from your dad is also ok. 10 years ago I got a nice 6 figure inheritance when my dad died. I help my wife’s daughter and grandson. It makes me feel good. I won’t be taken advantage of but it is nice to do small things that better their lives. 14,843 is a great price and probably better than most people are getting. Just watch the closing and say no to the extended warrantee.

Please post a picture when you get your new Yaris.

[deancgibbons]

You are very smart in enlisting your father to help you. Salesmen and Women are very good at pressuring you into buying when you don't know very much; it's their job. The usually back it off when someone who knows what's going on is there. I went to a dealership once to look at a used BMW X5, ended up buying it and thought all was well. Come to find out there were a lot of "hidden" problems with it and I ended up losing money on it. Should have brought my father..

Sounds like the offer they're giving you is pretty sweet. I'm with Nemelek on the financing, check your bank to see if you can save some money. And haggle the heck out of them in the paper signing room!

[tomato]

Tomato, thanks also. I am hearing a lot about the closing costs... 1,000+ so I will keep that in mind. And yea, this is why I am hurrying with researching the yaris now... my current car seems like its going to die soon, so I rather do my research now then when I'm stuck at the side of the road with a towtruck!

I tried to do the consumer reports thing but it said I need a $39 sub, and its another 14 to get the new car report.. if you see this post.. you wouldnt happen to still be subscribed to Consumer would you? I can pay for the report (have paypal), its the $39 subscription that makes me not want it.


Oh, you're right I almost missed your post.

Hmmm. I don't know what's up with that. My subscription was cheaper but I don't have access to every year, I think it stopps at 07 and only goes back a few years, and only for certain cars, not all of them. Don't know anything about $39. I've noticed they have several subscription levels but I don't have access to the more advanced (more expensive) subscription levels. Sorry.

[otterhere]

"Usually out the door price means that the dealer keeps the rebate. However see what they say." Nooooooooo; I got an out-the-door priced quoted on e-mail (which I held him to), and that DID include rebate; just specify that in writing. It's true that, when you finance, you have a choice of a better rate for that OR the rebate, whichever you choose. Hey, good for you for learning from your dad; just as long as you're not leaning on your dad, and it doesn't sound like you are. You're our youngest (baby) poster...

We'll want to see pics when you get it!

[wiirenet]

I'm the youngest?? I don't believe it!

Something I'm a little confused by that my dad said he found out from a dealer (but none of the dealers I emailed told me)

I thought I could get the 1,000 rebate and still use their financing (just not at the discount) if I can't get a better deal at a bank.

But supposedly, you can only get the 1,000 rebate if you're paying the whole price in full right away and won't be using a loan. :iono:

We're actually going to the dealer that quoted me the cheapest price today *just to talk*- I won't even have down payment money until my next paycheck so they can't sucker us in today.

Oh also, my dad sold my car for $700 to someone for parts... they are taking it before the end of the month.. its coming so soon! And guh, I kind of feel bad for my current ride =( I will miss it. I started calling it Two-Face. One side looks perfect, but the other side looks totaled. As the saying goes- It was a p-o-s.. but it was my p-o-s.. i will miss it! :cry:

[tomato]

... And guh, I kind of feel bad for my current ride =( I will miss it. I started calling it Two-Face. One side looks perfect, but the other side looks totaled. As the saying goes- It was a p-o-s.. but it was my p-o-s.. i will miss it! :cry:



You're not alone! A couple of us around here (I won't name names :wink: ) are still attached to their old cars :cry:

It's fun to get a new car, though. You'll have new experiences with it and you'll get attached to it, too. And there is that new car smell... Plus, the Yaris is clearly the best looking car in any parking lot, so it makes it all worth it, well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! :biggrin:

Do'nt forget we want pictures! :headbang:

[roxy1]

[QUOTE=wiirenet;261234]

But supposedly, you can only get the 1,000 rebate if you're paying the whole price in full right away and won't be using a loan. :iono:

QUOTE]

dont think it matters where you get the loan or how you are paying for it. you can apply the rebate toward the car or they give you a form to fill out and sign and send in and the rebate check comes directly to you.

[otterhere]

"You're not alone! A couple of us around here (I won't name names ) are still attached to their old cars."

Who, me?

[otterhere]

OMG; beware going "just to talk"; talk about what? Get the price in writing (on e-mail), then go buy it. You can surely get the rebate AND financing; just not their super-duper rate financing (which I'd be dubious about anyway). Definitely take the rebate.

[tomato]

OMG; beware going "just to talk"; talk about what? Get the price in writing (on e-mail), then go buy it. You can surely get the rebate AND financing; just not their super-duper rate financing (which I'd be dubious about anyway). Definitely take the rebate.


Now, wait a minute, there is nothing wrong with going to look at the cars, touching them, smelling them, sitting in them, and going for a test drive! They don't hold a gun to your head, at the dealership, you know, and you CAN walk away.. :biggrin:

[otterhere]

Now, wait a minute, there is nothing wrong with going to look at the cars, touching them, smelling them, sitting in them, and going for a test drive! They don't hold a gun to your head, at the dealership, you know, and you CAN walk away.. :biggrin:


But they'll be mad if you don't buy after "wasting" their time; oh, will they be mad. Are you man enough, LOL? :rolleyes:

[PreciousPups4U]

They won't be mad. Happens to them all the time. Just be polite and if they are nice ask for them when/if you to come to really buy the car.

You can defintely get the rebate if you finance elsewhere. I did.

[tomato]

But they'll be mad if you don't buy after "wasting" their time; oh, will they be mad. Are you man enough, LOL? :rolleyes:

No, no, no... they won't be mad!

Just say, for example "I am shopping for a car, but I haven't yet completely decided between the Yaris and the Fit. Do you have time for a test drive? After the test drive you can ask your questions if you want, but don't sign anything, just say you want a couple of days to think about it.

Or you can schedule a test drive on the phone, sometimes that works better. I did that, too, to ensure I wouldn't have to wait for a sales guy to be available to let me drive the car.

You're not obligated to purchase the first car you test drive and they know it. I think I test drove 2 cars, and visited 3 or 4 dealerships before I found my :wub: Yaris.

I think it's great that OTTERHERE got a deal by email first, but IMO the test drive should come first. The salesguy will give you a card, and then you can continue the negotiations by phone and email then, if you want, but you should definitely go check out the cars in person BEFORE you close the deal! :)

[tomato]

By the way, I said "tell them you're trying to narrow it down between 2 vehicles" because that's the little white lie that worked for me when I just wanted to see what the Yaris was like but wasn't ready to close the deal.

But you don't have to lie, you can say whatever you want, just as long remember to ask nice.

Just look at it this way, when you go buy a some pants or a dress, or a pair of shoes, you try them on first, right? :) Sometimes you buy them right away and sometimes you put them on hold, right? Same thing with the car, really.

[otterhere]

Well, yes, of course you need to test-drive it before buying it (I confess I test-drove an '09 sedan and then bought, undriven, an 08 hatchback ; that explains a lot of my dissatisfaction, I'm sure). But I made the mistake of, which I was test-driving it, saying, "Oh, yes; this is great; I want this!" The guy expected me to sign right there...

Just make it CLEAR you're *only* test-driving that day. Then get your price in writing (either with them or someone else, in person or by e-mail). Then think about it more.

[tomato]

"You're not alone! A couple of us around here (I won't name names ) are still attached to their old cars."

Who, me?


Oh, I include myself in that one, lol!! I will always love my old CRX :wub:
but it was her time to go, may she rest in peace! :wink:

[KRAZGRL]

I picked up my 09 3 door hatchback (automatic) with power package for $14,700 out the door. Best deal I could find...

When my brother got his, I was able to find him a deal for his 08 3 door (auto with power package) for $14K OTD.

Best thing to do is speak with the internet sales reps. They seem to cut the best deals. They are also running some awesome incentives right now. You just have to ask about them. If you want, you can always say, "my friend just got one for this price...can you beat/match it?"

[dccurrent]

"You're not alone! A couple of us around here (I won't name names ) are still attached to their old cars."

Who, me?

My first car was a BMW 318ti, which is a hatchback! Its manual transmission, even at 140,000 miles was smooth as silk. It had a bunch of problems, like a sick old man, but just like that old man, there's someone out there that loves him despite their problems. That's how I felt about that car, especially now that I look back to those days. I currently lease an Altima and I am just about to pull the trigger on a Yaris. Never grew an attachment to the Nissan; it's a very impersonal car.

[otterhere]

My first car was a BMW 318ti, which is a hatchback! Its manual transmission, even at 140,000 miles was smooth as silk. It had a bunch of problems, like a sick old man, but just like that old man, there's someone out there that loves him despite their problems. That's how I felt about that car, especially now that I look back to those days. I currently lease an Altima and I am just about to pull the trigger on a Yaris. Never grew an attachment to the Nissan; it's a very impersonal car.

I can tell (and so can you, patient readers) that I'm never going to "love" this car; we won't be going the whole way together. I'd almost like to buy back my Swift (I know where it is), but I will for sure be on the lookout for other small cars as they come on the market. Just too many irritations with Yaris.

:iono:

[tomato]

I can tell (and so can you, patient readers) that I'm never going to "love" this car; we won't be going the whole way together. I'd almost like to buy back my Swift (I know where it is), but I will for sure be on the lookout for other small cars as they come on the market. Just too many irritations with Yaris.

:iono:

I think you should get it back. I'm serious. How many miles did you put on your Yaris? If you have driven her more than a couple of tanks worth of gas and you're still not happy with her, then, take the $ hit and get back the car you love. What's the point of keeping the Yaris if it's going to give you nothing but grief? Life is too short. :thumbsup:

[otterhere]

Almost at 5,000 miles and still not feelin' the love. The other car, "love at first sight."

[tomato]

Almost at 5,000 miles and still not feelin' the love. The other car, "love at first sight."

Hmmm... doesn't sound good. Can't tell you what to do, but your swift only had what 8 or 9 years? You could probably have driven her around another couple of years at least?

I've only driven my Yaris a couple hundred miles so far but I can tell driving is getting more intuitive each time.

I took her out to the Wine Country last Saturday and had fun driving her on small country roads up there. I thought she handled corners and adhered to the road real well! :clap: There is a stretch of highway up there where you can speed a little (shhh.. don't tell the CHP) and she did real well there, too. Nice.

Getting on and off the freeway is still a little be a bit of a pain, because drivers around here are not particularly courteous :rolleyes: (I'm being polite!)and sometimes you need a bit more acceleration than the Yaris can give you to be able to merge in and out, but overall, I mean, it's a car, it works ...

I don't know, you talk about the Swift a lot and you have the option to get it back, I mean why not? :iono:

[tomato]

uh.. I guess that's what they call "highjacking a thread?" My bad. We're just talking about buyer's remorse post new Yaris purchase. :wink:

[wiirenet]

Hey anyone still following this thread! And no, no hijacking, I like reading all the convo and it was informative to me so it wasn't a hijack hehe.

Soo if you've seen my other posts here and there, I got the car! I don't have the exact price with me to tell you, but if anyone really really wants to know how much mine cost with all the options I mentioned, just ask and I will look at my paper at home and type up the info.

I think it was a good price, maybe could have been better reading about other peoples' prices in recent posts in this forum- but we did do a lot of negotiating, and only one dealer kept up with us when we kept asking for lower.. so maybe its just the area where I was buying from, but it seems like a good price since it was like pulling teeth to get that price. I think it was 14000ish.

My advice for newbies- DO email dealers first. Its nice having emails to print out. I did my negotiating online ok, the price I got in an email my dad couldn't get any lower with another dealer he was talking to in person. So we went to the dealer who gave me the good price online and we worked the price even lower. One snag we got was in the end, we had a price and when the salesman was writing down what options the car had he didn't write down keyless entry.

I told him thats what I told him I wanted in the email and thats what I thought I was negotiating. He said that price didn't include keyless and he did not tell me that, and it would be extra. I told him he did say it included keyless... again denied.... finally, I whiped out HIS email I printed with his words "and keyless entry" and the price and he was just like "oh oops i made a mistake, we can't do that". My father got POed and said he probably did it on purpose. They said they couldnt get us keyless unless we paid extra... we opted out, put down a deposit and left.

Next day my dad called to another dealer and told him the price we got- except we wanted keyless in that price. His dealer said sure. Called back first dealer and he finally caved and gave us keyless with our price because he didnt want us going to the other dealer. So yea, moral is, even if a dealer tells you something is impossible, if you are going to cancel the purchase they will probably cave.


So, overall I am soooo satisfied and happy. Its so cool, small, fun, clean etcetc. I love it.

-There are some things that bother me and I will mention just incase a potential buyer is lurking around. The center console does take a little bit or readjusting, but its not a big deal at all. The only bother I have is since the console is in the center, your steering wheel area is completely dark at night.. I don't reall like that feeling. Same with the gear shift area, its really dark and its taking some getting used to looking at the console to see if I'm in the right gear instead of the actual shifter at night.

-Keeping the dashboard looking nice is annoying me! I never cared about my old car so this is new to me. I bought Armor All dashboard protectant/cleaner wipes, but I get streaks unless I use a dry cloth to clear away the armor all. Which kind of defeats the purpose of me buying wipes instead of the spray since I still needed to buy a cloth to wipe away the streaks.. hopefully I'll find out the right thing for me.

-Also, I already have a scratch on my dashboard =/ I need to buy some kind of scratch remover I guess. I don't know where or what though and hope it will work.

-I never considered how hard it would be to find the car in the parking lot! I always forget where I am. And since its so short, I don't see my bumper to help me find it like with my old car... I want to buy an antenna topper to maybe help me find it from the top instead of bumper lol.

-I found it odd that the hatch doesn't have a button pop inside the car, but that you need to use the key. I am just used to popping my trunk from the inside.

Anyway, just silly little things, yet I still love the car.
Out of everything the scratch on the dashboard is what's bothering me the most lol.

If anyone has gotten to the end of this long post, have any recomendations? I went to stores like Walmart and grocery stores to check out car sections, and paint sections, but can't find any scratch remover. It has to exist though since I've seen infomercials for super duper scratch removers.

Ohh also, pics will be coming soon. I am at work now but will try to remember to spam the forum with pics :D

**edit** Some safety issues I forgot to mention:
I'm really not used to the feel of it on the highway and when its windy.. feels really unstable. Maybe I will get used to it.

Also getting used to blind spots.. when I turn my head I don't see as much in the back/side area compared to in a sedan, also the head rest seems too high. It also feels like its in my way when I try to look back. I guess its just getting used to a hatchback vs sedan, but I do get worried I won't see something when I'm doing head checks. =/

[CTScott]

Wow! That's a long post.

If ArmorAll still contains silicon as it used to, you really don't want to use it. It will eventually cause cracking and fading of plastic and vinyl surfaces. I find Meguiar's Quik Detailer Interior to be great for cleaning and protecting the interior surfaces.

[wiirenet]

Yea haha, I wanted to get everything off my chest that I've been thinking about the car! I want to help anyone who is going to be in my position (doesnt know anything about cars :P) and lurking the forum.

Awesome, thanks for the reply and that is really useful info. The ArmorAll I got claims to protect/prevent cracking.. I remember reading that specifically, BUT I will see if it says silicon on it.
I trust real people more than the claims on the packaging. So, when I finish it, I'll buy Meguiar's. I remember I had both Meguiar's and ArmorAll in my hand at the store and couldn't decide which lol. But if people recommend it, I will switch to it. Ty.

[tomato]

-There are some things that bother me and I will mention just incase a potential buyer is lurking around. The center console does take a little bit or readjusting, but its not a big deal at all. The only bother I have is since the console is in the center, your steering wheel area is completely dark at night.. I don't reall like that feeling. Same with the gear shift area, its really dark and its taking some getting used to looking at the console to see if I'm in the right gear instead of the actual shifter at night.

You'll get used to that. I didn't like the console in the center at first, but now I like it just fine where it is. I don't look down (well rarely) when I shift gears so no problem having no light down there for me.

-Keeping the dashboard looking nice is annoying me! I never cared about my old car so this is new to me. I bought Armor All dashboard protectant/cleaner wipes, but I get streaks unless I use a dry cloth to clear away the armor all. Which kind of defeats the purpose of me buying wipes instead of the spray since I still needed to buy a cloth to wipe away the streaks.. hopefully I'll find out the right thing for me.

People told me years ago not to use Armorol because the dash will end up with cracks. I haven't decided what I will use yet, in the meantime, just a little damp cloth (the dealership gave me a couple of baby diapers they use to clean the cars, so I use that)

You might want to check the threads in

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=21

and see if people have mentioned some products they like already.

-Also, I already have a scratch on my dashboard =/ I need to buy some kind of scratch remover I guess. I don't know where or what though and hope it will work.

The inside of the Yaris is put together a little beat cheaply, I think, so it's easy to put in scratches. The guys that installed my keyless entry / alarm at the dealership also put in a couple of scratches on mine because it's easy to do, but I didn't notice it until days later. :mad:

By the way, that reminds me: they added the price of the keyless entry at the last minute for me too. I thought "out the door" literally meant out the door. I guess I was wrong, out the door means "now I got you seated, let me tag on some more fees and stuff, and shake you upside down to get all the loose change out of your pockets, too, while I'm at it" :rolleyes:

-I never considered how hard it would be to find the car in the parking lot! I always forget where I am. And since its so short, I don't see my bumper to help me find it like with my old car... I want to buy an antenna topper to maybe help me find it from the top instead of bumper lol.

Typical small car. I had the same problem with my little Honda. Try to find that when 2 SUV's park next to it.

-I found it odd that the hatch doesn't have a button pop inside the car, but that you need to use the key. I am just used to popping my trunk from the inside.

Me too. You'll get used to it, though.

Anyway, just silly little things, yet I still love the car.
Out of everything the scratch on the dashboard is what's bothering me the most lol. Yeah, the first dent or scratch hurts a bit. I know what you mean.


Ohh also, pics will be coming soon. I am at work now but will try to remember to spam the forum with pics :D Yeah, we definitely want pictures!!! They have a place for pictures in the forum, I think. I need to upload some pictures too.



**edit** Some safety issues I forgot to mention:
I'm really not used to the feel of it on the highway and when its windy.. feels really unstable. Maybe I will get used to it.

Yeah, I hate that, too. :frown: :iono:

Also getting used to blind spots.. when I turn my head I don't see as much in the back/side area compared to in a sedan, also the head rest seems too high. It also feels like its in my way when I try to look back. I guess its just getting used to a hatchback vs sedan, but I do get worried I won't see something when I'm doing head checks. =/

I agree with you. I think it's the design. It's hard to see in the back or on the sides when paralel parking on the right side of the street. But the longer you drive your car, and the more intuitive it'll feel. You just got it now, so congratulate yourself :drinking: and enjoy it!

Personally, I think the positive far outweigh the negative, plus you can't beat the body style... she's so cute! :wub:

Enjoy your new car!

:burnrubber:

[wiirenet]

Thanks for the reply! The positives do outweigh the negatives for me completely too!

Posted pictures here
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=269758&postcount=666

and interior pictures here
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=269760&postcount=58

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt330/annettesyaris/yaris5.jpg :wub:

[tomato]

^^ Yup, it's a Yaris, alright! :biggrin:

:coolpics:

I like the interior ones, too. At fist I thought you got a sedan, but nope, it's the little yaris. Looks huge inside, I think. You got a GPS unit already? Good move! that'll be my next purchase, I think.

[freeridelectric]

Thanks for the reply! The positives do outweigh the negatives for me completely too.

Those fuzzy dice will cut down on milage. Too much weight.:wink:

[nemelek]

Here is an ad from todays paper. They are starting to advertise the Yaris again. This one is cheaper than the one I bought a year ago.

[donmeca2020]

congrats on your purchase car looks good, by the way seen the interior shots it looks nice and your also a hottie : )