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TLyttle · 11-10-2009, 12:01 AM

Maybe, but some high-tax countries are doing just fine, thank you. Canadians pay 50% of their income in taxes, some European countries considerably more. Those countries have universal health care (oooh!!! Communism!!!), multi-party systems, fair wage and hiring legislation, all the stuff that allows the citizens to survive as a country. Few are in the trouble that the US is in today.

ONe thing is missed here: everyone thinks that the politicians are in control of the government, and that is a lie. The bureaucracy is in control, unelected and all-powerful, and they dictate to the politicians what will work and what won't. Too many times I have seen a politician try to get something done that the will cost the bureaucrats a little bit of power, and two things happen: the politician is accused of some scandalous activity, and is turfed out, and the idea is seen as destructive. Just look at the health care bill for proof. The HMOs etc aren't talking to the politicians, they are talking (and bribing) the upper level bureaucracy to preserve the "way things are done", ie their own golden egg layer. The fact that the US has the most expensive health care system and the 27th-best system is all you need to know!

H3LlIoN · 11-10-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TLyttle

The fact that the US has the most expensive health care system and the 27th-best system is all you need to know!

Actually, you should also know that it's the most expensive because your infallible politicians bloat healthcare bills (or any bill, for that matter) with countless other funding for god knows what. As I've pointed out before, the underlying problem is that we have become comfortable in our lifestyles to the point where we expect gov't to provide things like minimum wage, and cost of living increases, and welfare, and disability, and MEDICARE.

Get up. Go to work. Get paid. And pay your f&#*ing bills. STOP buying shit you can't afford, and STOP expecting me to pay taxes to bail your deadbeat a$$ out.

And the "you" in that does not literally mean you, I'm merely speaking to the masses.

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TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	Maybe, but some high-tax countries are doing just fine, thank you. Canadians pay 50% of their income in taxes, some European countries considerably more. Those countries have universal health care (oooh!!! Communism!!!), multi-party systems, fair wage and hiring legislation, all the stuff that allows the citizens to survive as a country. Few are in the trouble that the US is in today. ONe thing is missed here: everyone thinks that the politicians are in control of the government, and that is a lie. The bureaucracy is in control, unelected and all-powerful, and they dictate to the politicians what will work and what won't. Too many times I have seen a politician try to get something done that the will cost the bureaucrats a little bit of power, and two things happen: the politician is accused of some scandalous activity, and is turfed out, and the idea is seen as destructive. Just look at the health care bill for proof. The HMOs etc aren't talking to the politicians, they are talking (and bribing) the upper level bureaucracy to preserve the "way things are done", ie their own golden egg layer. The fact that the US has the most expensive health care system and the 27th-best system is all you need to know!