Just got a ticket for this.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

OK - I'll just say that MY participation has run its course.

I think mine might have too. We'll see.

Have fun - play nicely.

Magazine? :-)

-Steve

[MadMax]

The bottom line is that all laws are enforced, even the ones some people think are stupid. They are made for a reason, and it is each person's responsibility to know them. If you get caught violating one, then accept responsibility and do what needs to be done to satisfy the penalty. If this can be corrected as a "fix it" ticket, then take the damn eyelids off and get it cleared.

And criticize the police all you want, your First Amendment rights allow you to do so; but I doubt most of those who do would ever want to spend a week in a cop's shoes. It is a relatively thankless job full of no-win situations; but they are always the first to be called when the shit hits the fan...

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

Some threads you just KNOW are going to turn into a flame-fest. Especially when someone has already played the grammar card.....

People play the grammar card when they don't have a valid counterargument…

[cali yaris]

Your bickering was obviously more important than my substantive question, which was ignored. Shame on both of you.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

The two times I've been pulled over for my tint (yeah, I know it's illegal, I took them off after the second time), both CHP officers were dicks towards me, for no reason whatsoever. The second time, the officer was trying to be a smartass, saying I exited only because I saw him. Ummm, he should have checked the exit since it was the exit for my school. I should have flashed my parking permit in his face and said that I was exiting for my school.

Now, I'm not saying that all cops out there are asshats. I've encountered a few that are civil and don't abuse their power/authority.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Your bickering was obviously more important than my substantive question, which was ignored. Shame on both of you.

Garm

Your question was answered back in post #9...

Originally Posted by MadMax

According to the Georgia Code of Motor Vehicles and Traffic - Title 40, Section 40-8-22, subsection (d):

The headlights required by this Code section shall be maintained in proper working condition and shall not be covered by any type of material, provided that the covering restriction shall not apply to any vehicle on which the original factory headlights were covered.

Georgia law states that there will be no material whatsoever on the headlights of cars. Obviously Jamal was unaware of that hence the citation. I hope it is a simple "fix-it" ticket, but either way he was in violation of the above statute...

Cheers! M2

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by MadMax

The bottom line is that all laws are enforced...

But they aren't. They are enforced very selectively. The WASP in the patrol car decides who he stops and who he doesn't. If all the existing laws were enforced uniformly then we'd all be in jail.

...even the ones some people think are stupid.

No. If the laws don't happen to be enforced against *them*, they don't know or care.

They are made for a reason

Yeah. Like the one in Kansas that says that any woman driving a mototcar must be preceded, by 20 feet, by a man carrying a lantern.

and it is each person's responsibility to know them.

Did you know about the lantern thing, BTW? Have you memorized all the statutes in your own state?

If you get caught violating one, then accept responsibility and do what needs to be done to satisfy the penalty.

You're probably OK on this one as long as you are male, and don't care about the plight of any female who goes out driving without a lantern-guy. Though I confess that I'm not certain who takes the fall if your woman recklessly goes out by herself.

And criticize the police all you want,

The OP didn't do that. He simply detailed what happened.

but I doubt most of those who do would ever want to spend a week in a cop's shoes.

Not the point, or the problem. The problem is that those who *are* attracted to that job are exactly the wrong people to do it. Read Plato.

-Steve

[sqcomp]

Indeed...so you're running the circle around that last issue...

You can criticize but then it's not the point or the problem when you're called to the mat. The point is, that the OP was caught breaking a law and he didn't like it. The problem will be if he still has the eyelids on later down the road.

...then of course that'll be the cop's fault to because he doesn't coddle you enough.

Police officers are all the wrong people, they're all jerks on a power trip, yadda yadda...

I'd rather be a jerk than a pushover. If the latter were the case, then the guy that steals from you wouldn't have to worry about me, he'd simply try to bully his way out of being caught.

White Anglo-Saxon Protestant huh? Now we're even. Wait...no we're not. You people are still butt hurt over almost incoherent writing. Besides, law enforcemet types don't have feelings after all.

[cali yaris]

Garm
Your question was answered back in post #9...

that post states the law, which basically settles the whole thread...

but it didn't answer my question about the turn signals.

[nemelek]

I'll probably jinx my self by saying that I haven't been pulled over or ticketed in 10 years. I do have a bit of a lead foot, however, I don't lead the pack. I go with the flow.

[tomato]

Everybody takes a deep, deep breath in here

@steve: we don't like to heavily moderate, lock threads, etc., but this crowd seems to have a low tolerance for some stuff and the peeps who have been on this forum a while can pretty much tell when a thread is starting to go to hell, I think that's all Sail was trying to say.

Everybody (yes, you too, Sqcomp , just because you're far away doesn't mean your exempt ), y'all please take a deep breath now .. in, and out .. in and out ..


in ... and out ... (ooops) er.. ahem..

[cali yaris]

^ oh boy.

and that there, pretty much describes the thread as a whole.... umm... "whole"... LOL

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

...but it didn't answer my question about the turn signals.

Then this should...

Georgia Code - Motor Vehicles & Traffic - Title 40, Section 40-8-26

(a) Any motor vehicle may be equipped and when required under this article shall be equipped with the following signal lights or devices:

(1) A brake light on the rear which shall emit a red light and which shall be actuated upon application of the service (foot) brake and which may but need not be incorporated with a taillight; and

(2) A light or lights or mechanical signal device capable of clearly indicating any intention to turn either to the right or to the left and which shall be visible from both the front and the rear.

(b) Every brake light shall be plainly visible and understandable from a distance of 300 feet to the rear both during normal sunlight and at nighttime, and every signal light or lights indicating intention to turn shall be visible and understandable during daytime and nighttime from a distance of 300 feet from both the front and the rear. When a vehicle is equipped with a brake light or other signal lights, such light or lights shall at all times be maintained in good working condition. No brake light or signal light shall project a glaring or dazzling light.

(c) All mechanical signal devices shall be self-illuminated when in use at the times mentioned in Code Section 40-8-20.

(d) All lenses on brake lights and signal devices shall be maintained in good repair and shall meet manufacturers´ specifications. (Source)

It may be argued that the "eyelid" inhibits the ability to see the turn signal from 300 feet in front of the vehicle during the day. It would be up to a judge to determine if that is true or not.

When I first got my Jeep a few years ago, I was worried about losing the two side mirrors when I removed the doors. I did a little research and found that only one mirror that allows the driver to see 200 ft behind the vehicle is required, so as long as I have my rearview mirror, I'm good to go!

When in doubt, do a little research! All motor vehicle codes are available online, and are easily searchable.

Cheers! M2

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

I didn't read this whole thing. Don't the eyelids cover up the turn signals, or make them less easy to see for oncoming cars?

They do on the liftback.

The turn signals don't get covered up on the sedan. But even on the LB it's not that bad...

I think this is one of those cases where a cop looks for an excuse to stop someone so that he can fill his daily quota early in the day, get called a hero and go home.

Not a big fan of cops, quite honestly. It's quite rare to meet a cop that doesn't abuse his authority around these parts (Mexico), unfortunate as that may be.

[eht13]

Originally Posted by tk-421

The turn signals don't get covered up on the sedan. But even on the LB it's not that bad...

Unlike the liftback, on the sedan the turn signals are across the bottom, well away from where the eyelids would go. And I think the eyelids only cover up a part of the clear headlight housing that sits above chrome molding... behind the open part where the bulbs are. So it's odd that those would be illegal, because on some cars that space right behind the bulbs would not even be clear plastic housing anyway, and would instead be the metal of the hood or quarter panel.

[Kimmy]

Sorry to hear you got a ticket just for that

[tomato]

OK, since you guys aren't (for the most part) big fans of cops, here is a really short video you are going to enjoy very much I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytZiJIkT4pk

(you need sound for this, so you can hear the cop's reaction. That's right, blame the car, why don't you!)

It's kind of a classic, someone sent me that a couple of years ago and it still makes me laugh for some reason.

[sqcomp]

funny...

Now, go out and do the job.

Oh, you can't. Too bad, so sad.