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*tomato* · 04-01-2010, 03:23 AM

Are you talking to me?

sqcomp · 04-01-2010, 04:34 AM

What are we talking about here? Hating on police officers? Fine. I reiterate, do the job. See how jaded you become.

There's nothing to bait here. It's black and white. You don't like police.

I submit that we remove all police, fire, and emergency services from your community. Have fun.

The issue I'm having here is the duality that a lot of you are expressing. You want the police to be around to protect you 24 hours a day, yet when you get dinged for something you complain...then you hate the fact that the police even exist.

Hypocrisy rocks doesn't it?

Come back with how much of a jerk I am for pointing out the obvious. You want your cake…

Yes, it is the officer’s prerogative to pull you over for tertiary reasons. YOU gave them those rights! If you don’t like it, change it. Get into a position where you have to take the teeth away from the very people you expect to protect you. You’ll love life, I’m sure.

Being an armchair quarterback is no substitute for actual experience.

*tomato* · 04-01-2010, 04:47 AM

Holly cow, it's a joke!!! You're the one who's being aggressive here BTW.
Why are you being so defensive?!!

sqcomp · 04-01-2010, 05:01 AM

Fine. It's called being jaded. Having to hand out wet naps to all the unwiped bottom ends every day slowly grinds at a person. This is a primary reason for the curt, turse, and downright rude responses from a lot of police officers.

You do something stupid and then expect the police to coddle you.

*tomato* · 04-01-2010, 05:05 AM

hmmmmm.... you think the civilian world is easy? Let me tell you something, in this economy, life ain't easy for anybody right now.

You gotta admit that video was a little funny, no?

*tomato* · 04-01-2010, 05:10 AM

And for the record, I didn't yet express an opinion in this board about the police, one way or the other.

As a matter of fact, I was gonna remind peeps that there are all kinds of people in the police, and yes, some good people too. I met some here in the bay area, pretty cool uniform cops if you can believe that. But generally, those "cool" cops are not the ones people see. They see others, like the CHP, and CHP is anything but friendly, ask anybody.

But anyway, we're now far, far away from the OP's topic, aren't we.

I see you have edited your post, that's fine. I get where you're coming from a little better. My response still stands. And the video stays, sorry

*tk-421* · 04-01-2010, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I submit that we remove all police, fire, and emergency services from your community. Have fun.

I wouldn't go that far... There are some people out there with a true purpose to improve the quality of life, and I'm all for that. Unfortunately, it's seldom not the case.

Quote:

The issue I'm having here is the duality that a lot of you are expressing. You want the police to be around to protect you 24 hours a day, yet when you get dinged for something you complain...then you hate the fact that the police even exist.

Do I want cops available when someone breaks into my house? Sure! Do I want them stopping me because they have a problem with the eyelids on my car? Hell no.

Quote:

Yes, it is the officer’s prerogative to pull you over for tertiary reasons. YOU gave them those rights! If you don’t like it, change it.

I agree 100% with this statement. The problem is that 99% of people either don't know how to do this, or are too lazy to act on it. But I do agree the people are supposed to decide.

sqcomp · 04-01-2010, 07:08 AM

Yes, the civilian world isn't easy. I know. I've been there. I think we can all agree it's a big $hit sandwich sometimes.

...perhaps I'm a bit wound up...I've got CRAM systems going off around me. Speaking of video, I've got good video of that system and the M134 system when I get back stateside for you to watch.

sqcomp · 04-01-2010, 11:21 AM

I agree, I'll man up and coddle you just as soon as you do the same by not breaking the law and then griping about it when you get ticketed for it.

If I pull someone over for a minor infraction like the eyelid incident, the only real way I'm going to ask about a search of your vehicle is if I have something to go off of...like VERY nervous behavior, sweating, jitters, stuttering, possible drug paraphenalia, if I see a weapon, if I smell alcholic beverages...the list goes on.

If you'll recall I also mentioned that this stop was a little messed up. Still, you can argue the eyelids until yours turn inside out. The officer had a right to stop the vehicle. Personally, I'm not worried about searching Jamal's vehicle until he gives me good reason to do so. I would honestly start talking with him about his Yaris and eventually tell him to get the eyelids fixed (because I'm a fan of the Yaris) and let him be on his way. It is the perogative of the officer to write you a ticket.

Oh, here's a hint...

When a police officer says, "I have to give you a ticket for your speed"...this isn't always the case. Your attitude, my attitude, and other variables would be factors.

You are ABSOLUTELY right! There are "dicks" out there. Guess what? They're on BOTH sides! I pull you over to tell you that your brake lights are out, after asking for your license and registration, you immediately start flicking me shit? Alright, you want to play...I'm game. Of course, I'm not going to tell you immediately what I've pulled you over for, I want to verify your identity first. Just because the plate reads to one Carmelll Yaris lover on my MDT, it means NOTHING until I verify who YOU are that is driving it. After I know who you are...then we'll talk. Me verifying who you are keeps us both safe. BS? Nope. What happens if you look like a suspect put out on a BOLO? This is why you are cordial until there is a need not to be.

Who can say? Perhaps the guy driving your Yaris just took the car from your driveway in the middle of the night? I have to know. If the officer seems a bit edgy...here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZCC9qINBvw

The officer made a traffic stop...WTF? The driver doesn't comply with commands and produces a weapon. Great...the officer's day went from normal to REALLY bad in one stop...

The attitude you get directly corelates to your cooperation (at least with me it would). Being stupid isn't a crime on your part, neither is a bit of gruff attitude on the officer's.

eht13 · 04-01-2010, 01:49 PM

My neighbor is a cop, and he's a really nice guy. I think he is probably doing the job for the "right reasons". I hope that the majority, at least, are doing it for those reasons too. When I hear some of his stories I'm amazed at how stupid/crazy people can be and what kinds of stuff cops have to deal with... it is a thankless job. That said, nobody has the right to get jaded by what they deal with and then take it out on other people who had nothing to do with it. It is a job, so they need to treat it like one and stay professional.

*tomato* · 04-01-2010, 03:00 PM

^ what a great comment! I think you nailed it, eht13. It *is* a thankless job. On the other hand, there is no need to become a big jerk either.

Kaotic Lazagna · 04-01-2010, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camelll

If a cop is being a dick to the guy who breaks into my house that is cool, but to search someones car after being pulled over for speeding, not using turn signals, etc etc..... is just plain silly. Minor traffic violations do not warrant a search.

If you are jaded by the way you get treated on your job or you just don't like your job then QUIT! No one is making you do you job, no one. Only you. Don't take it out on average citizens. What a way to live a life always think someone is doing something wrong or someone is trying to hurt you. Man up and just do your job fairly and don't be a dick! Unless the person actually deserves it. Don't act like you are better than the person you are pulling over. Don't abuse you position of power. And please don't say police don't do it cause there is a lot of dirty police that do way worse shit than want to search someones car after a Minor traffic stop.

eht13 · 04-01-2010, 03:33 PM

^ Thanks.

Kaotic Lazagna · 04-01-2010, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

The attitude you get directly corelates to your cooperation (at least with me it would). Being stupid isn't a crime on your part, neither is a bit of gruff attitude on the officer's.

I was cooperative and polite on both times I got pulled over by the CHP. Both times the officers acted like asshats. I don't see any reason as to why they would act that way towards me off the bat. If they were having a bad day, they shouldn't have taken it out on me.

Kaotic Lazagna · 04-01-2010, 03:40 PM

Again, not saying all cops out there act like dicks. I know a few who are cool guys and are polite.

04-01-2010, 03:23 AM	#73
tomato Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: Yaris 2DR LB 07, MT, Abs. Red Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 5,155	Are you talking to me? __________________ Follow Bamboo the YarisWorld Traveler here Last edited by tomato; 04-01-2010 at 03:33 AM. Reason: almost took the bait!

04-01-2010, 04:34 AM	#74
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	What are we talking about here? Hating on police officers? Fine. I reiterate, do the job. See how jaded you become. There's nothing to bait here. It's black and white. You don't like police. I submit that we remove all police, fire, and emergency services from your community. Have fun. The issue I'm having here is the duality that a lot of you are expressing. You want the police to be around to protect you 24 hours a day, yet when you get dinged for something you complain...then you hate the fact that the police even exist. Hypocrisy rocks doesn't it? Come back with how much of a jerk I am for pointing out the obvious. You want your cake… Yes, it is the officer’s prerogative to pull you over for tertiary reasons. YOU gave them those rights! If you don’t like it, change it. Get into a position where you have to take the teeth away from the very people you expect to protect you. You’ll love life, I’m sure. Being an armchair quarterback is no substitute for actual experience. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine Last edited by sqcomp; 04-01-2010 at 04:53 AM.

04-01-2010, 04:47 AM	#75
tomato Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: Yaris 2DR LB 07, MT, Abs. Red Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 5,155	Holly cow, it's a joke!!! You're the one who's being aggressive here BTW. Why are you being so defensive?!! __________________ Follow Bamboo the YarisWorld Traveler here

04-01-2010, 05:01 AM	#76
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Fine. It's called being jaded. Having to hand out wet naps to all the unwiped bottom ends every day slowly grinds at a person. This is a primary reason for the curt, turse, and downright rude responses from a lot of police officers. You do something stupid and then expect the police to coddle you. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-01-2010, 05:05 AM	#77
tomato Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: Yaris 2DR LB 07, MT, Abs. Red Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 5,155	hmmmmm.... you think the civilian world is easy? Let me tell you something, in this economy, life ain't easy for anybody right now. You gotta admit that video was a little funny, no? __________________ Follow Bamboo the YarisWorld Traveler here

04-01-2010, 05:10 AM	#78
tomato Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: Yaris 2DR LB 07, MT, Abs. Red Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 5,155	And for the record, I didn't yet express an opinion in this board about the police, one way or the other. As a matter of fact, I was gonna remind peeps that there are all kinds of people in the police, and yes, some good people too. I met some here in the bay area, pretty cool uniform cops if you can believe that. But generally, those "cool" cops are not the ones people see. They see others, like the CHP, and CHP is anything but friendly, ask anybody. But anyway, we're now far, far away from the OP's topic, aren't we. I see you have edited your post, that's fine. I get where you're coming from a little better. My response still stands. And the video stays, sorry __________________ Follow Bamboo the YarisWorld Traveler here Last edited by tomato; 04-01-2010 at 05:20 AM. Reason: updated

04-01-2010, 07:08 AM	#80
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Yes, the civilian world isn't easy. I know. I've been there. I think we can all agree it's a big $hit sandwich sometimes. ...perhaps I'm a bit wound up...I've got CRAM systems going off around me. Speaking of video, I've got good video of that system and the M134 system when I get back stateside for you to watch. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-01-2010, 11:21 AM	#81
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	I agree, I'll man up and coddle you just as soon as you do the same by not breaking the law and then griping about it when you get ticketed for it. If I pull someone over for a minor infraction like the eyelid incident, the only real way I'm going to ask about a search of your vehicle is if I have something to go off of...like VERY nervous behavior, sweating, jitters, stuttering, possible drug paraphenalia, if I see a weapon, if I smell alcholic beverages...the list goes on. If you'll recall I also mentioned that this stop was a little messed up. Still, you can argue the eyelids until yours turn inside out. The officer had a right to stop the vehicle. Personally, I'm not worried about searching Jamal's vehicle until he gives me good reason to do so. I would honestly start talking with him about his Yaris and eventually tell him to get the eyelids fixed (because I'm a fan of the Yaris) and let him be on his way. It is the perogative of the officer to write you a ticket. Oh, here's a hint... When a police officer says, "I have to give you a ticket for your speed"...this isn't always the case. Your attitude, my attitude, and other variables would be factors. You are ABSOLUTELY right! There are "dicks" out there. Guess what? They're on BOTH sides! I pull you over to tell you that your brake lights are out, after asking for your license and registration, you immediately start flicking me shit? Alright, you want to play...I'm game. Of course, I'm not going to tell you immediately what I've pulled you over for, I want to verify your identity first. Just because the plate reads to one Carmelll Yaris lover on my MDT, it means NOTHING until I verify who YOU are that is driving it. After I know who you are...then we'll talk. Me verifying who you are keeps us both safe. BS? Nope. What happens if you look like a suspect put out on a BOLO? This is why you are cordial until there is a need not to be. Who can say? Perhaps the guy driving your Yaris just took the car from your driveway in the middle of the night? I have to know. If the officer seems a bit edgy...here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZCC9qINBvw The officer made a traffic stop...WTF? The driver doesn't comply with commands and produces a weapon. Great...the officer's day went from normal to REALLY bad in one stop... The attitude you get directly corelates to your cooperation (at least with me it would). Being stupid isn't a crime on your part, neither is a bit of gruff attitude on the officer's. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-01-2010, 01:49 PM	#82
eht13 Drives: . Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: . Posts: 363	My neighbor is a cop, and he's a really nice guy. I think he is probably doing the job for the "right reasons". I hope that the majority, at least, are doing it for those reasons too. When I hear some of his stories I'm amazed at how stupid/crazy people can be and what kinds of stuff cops have to deal with... it is a thankless job. That said, nobody has the right to get jaded by what they deal with and then take it out on other people who had nothing to do with it. It is a job, so they need to treat it like one and stay professional.

04-01-2010, 03:00 PM	#83
tomato Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: Yaris 2DR LB 07, MT, Abs. Red Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 5,155	^ what a great comment! I think you nailed it, eht13. It is a thankless job. On the other hand, there is no need to become a big jerk either. __________________ Follow Bamboo the YarisWorld Traveler here

04-01-2010, 03:33 PM	#85
eht13 Drives: . Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: . Posts: 363	^ Thanks.

04-01-2010, 03:40 PM	#87
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	Again, not saying all cops out there act like dicks. I know a few who are cool guys and are polite.

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