Religious Question/Opinion

[1NZYaris1]

I was not going to make any comment at all , but so far there's what
four or five pages here , and for the first time in a long time ,
everyone is playing nice , and respecting each other view's .
the other thing i will say is That IF there is a GOD he's got one sick
sense of humor.

[tomato]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I'm totally sorry, but I will not change my beliefs for anyone. If that's the case, why can't they "join" me, I mean, they did believe in it prior to changing to SDA.

Against my better judgment, I'll jump in - even though I usually avoid discussions about religion like the plague - only because you sound so sincere in wanting input from others.

I might offend but here goes. In my opinion, your GF is a fundamentalist and that is NOT a good thing.

In my family alone, we have 3 religions, well, 4 if you include the fact that I don't belong to any particular organized religion. I have a big problem with organized religions myself. It would take too long to explain and I don't want to bore everybody. Let's just say I'm not very religious, but I still try to live by certain Christian principles, if that makes sense.

Still, I cannot even begin to count how many times people approach me to try to cram their own religious beliefs down my throat and tell me how to live my life.

My religion is pretty simple: I practice charity towards others whenever possible and generally try to be a good person, you know, and abide by the main principles "thou shall not steal, etc." all that good stuff. I DON'T turn the other cheek, though

But to get back to your initial post. I believe that it is easier to tolerate differences of opinion in politics but when it comes to religion, it is far more difficult because people are dead set on their beliefs in an almost visceral manner and they have zero tolerance for others people's view point.

So much so, that in some cases, religion drives people to do crazy things. People have been killing each others for years, since the very beginning, over differences of opinion on religion. More recently, we have lost 2 buildings in NY, due to some religious extremism turned violent as well.

So I worry for you and your relationship with your GF, long term, when you say that she is trying to get you to follow her beliefs. I don't know the situation, of course, but if I were you, I would rethink having a serious relationship with someone who is so different at the core. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I think eventually, that will create a wall between you if it isn't already there.

My 2 c, though, nothing more.

Peace

[allspeed]

my belifes are God forgives all sinner and god said to follow the 10 rules wich are the 10 comandment everybody now write from wrong you make your own path you cant lie to god the choice is your so the person doing wrong and that person ask god to forgive them god allways will let say the person doing nothin wrong and bad stuff but does not except him will go down so put it this way when you die you will be juged but while you still have life you have time everybody now about god so when you die you walk up to him he will say i send you that person that person and you will be juged jesus died on the cross so that whe can be forgiven for are sin

[tomato]

PS> Just to clarify, I didn't mean you should split with your GF based on differences of opinion in religion, but what gives me a red flag is the lack of tolerance on her end for your beliefs. Good luck.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Laz, first of all you and them are just not on the same page. The real question is there will be mutual acceptance on this fact. If not, I'm gonna get real right here: this is not the girl for you. (sorry).



That's pretty easy, from my point of view. According to old testament (Leviticus I think), she should never speak in church and there are several circumstances in which she would be publicly stoned to death. Does she accept the rules of the old testament?

That's a simple one, but there are a lot more. I see the Bible as inspired but also historical and therefore contextual.

I sure hope that ALL of them learn to accept that we all have different beliefs.

Hmmm, that's interesting (part about not speaking). She does know about the woman who committed adultery and was put in front of a crowd, which were told to stone the woman to death, but only if they have not sinned (which everyone walked away). I wonder what my gf has to say about the not speaking thing. Thanks Garm.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by PK198105

The Bible is just a collection of scriptures that were hand picked by the church and only the scriptures that served the purposes of the Church. there are scriptures that didn't make the cut because they were not in line with the philosophy of the Church

I think that's why my gf believes that Catholicism is the "anti-Christ".

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

yeah but try to explain that to someone who blindly believes that every word was put there by God Himself...

I'm afraid the more I read this the more I realize you don't have many options. I'm not so familiar with these SDA people but it sounds more like a cult than an actual religion... As PK mentioned, early Christians have always been very good at twisting things to suit their image...

So I dunno... I know you're very fond of this girl, but you gotta ask yourself if she's worth the inevitable stress and headaches you'll get in the future if you stay with her. Cold, I know... My uncle married some years back and his wife decided to become a Jehovah's Witness... He's a really gentle guy and tried to go along with it, ended up attempting suicide...

lol, you know what, that's what my friend (gf's sis' bf) and I thought too. Now I won't say that SDA is a cult since I do not know of any other people who are SDA, but it seems like the persons that lead the Bible studies that my gf and them go to is a cult.

Eek about your uncle.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

KL, you're going to hell for this!!!

i understand your frustrations...it's hard to have a conversation with a wall(j/k)...

you might want to go on a different route in confronting the situation....i was thinking maybe ask the gf if her grandparents believe in what she believes in or, how about kids who do not yet understand these kinds of complexity the time they pass away...are they doom to go to hell too?...ask lots of questions...you might be able to put some logic in to her! well, have fun and good luck!

on a lighter note, 4 words my man...

"there is no god"

LOL, that's kinda like what my friend (the Buddhist one) said, "I guess I have a first class ticket to hell." We both were laughing when he said that. Yeah, I really thought about asking questions. They recently lost their grandmother, who I do not think was an SDA (but most likely was a Catholic). Very good points.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by YarisOwnersDad

It's real simple.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Jesus, the Son of God, came into this world and lived a perfect, sinless life. He lived the sinless life that one would be required to live in order to be acceptable to God by one's own merits and by one's own righteousness.

No one else has ever lived that sinless life, and no one else ever will.

Romans 3:23

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

When Jesus died on the Cross, He did not die for His own sins, because He had no sin. He took upon Himself our sins and paid the price for them. When we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we accept what He did for us on Calvary. Our sins are no longer imputed to us, rather the Righteousness of God is imputed to us.

Romans 4:6-8

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

There is but one way to be acceptable to God, and that is through His Son, Jesus Christ.

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Now what God's word said above has nothing to do with being a Catholic, a Baptist, a Methodist, or whatever.

There is not a religion in the world that will make you right with God. There are not enough "good things" you could do to earn your way to Heaven. What you do with Jesus is the only thing that matters. Pilate washed his hands of Jesus. The Roman guards beat Him, spit on Him, and nailed Him to the Cross. The non-believing Jews mocked Him. But the thief on the cross beside Him simply asked Him to remember him when He came into His kingdom.

Luke 23:42:

And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

The thief believed that Jesus was who He said He was. The thief put his trust in Jesus and called Him Lord.

The thief's soul was saved that very moment.

God bless.

Tom

THANK YOU, THANK YOU! Exact location of quotes/verses. I will tell this to my gf the next time she talks to me about the Bible (I'm expecting that to be tomorrow since she loves to talk to me about it).

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Loren

Okay, here's a quick stab...

I don't believe that there is a god (or a God, no offense) or a heaven, but I prefer to think of myself as a devout agnostic rather than an atheist. Why? Because I don't "know", which is the very definition of agnosticism. I'm really, really close to being an atheist, though.

That said, if there were a god who created the universe and ME, then that god gave me the freedom of thought to come to my own conclusions based on my own personal observations, NOT on the writings of men who have been dead for thousands of years (and who's words have been translated and revised to suit the political ideals of kings and churches over the years), or on the preaching of other men who are convinced that these writings are "the word of god" and that THEIR interpretation of these texts are correct. If such a god exists and there is a heaven waiting for us, I would think that regardless of my lack of faith, being a generally "good" person, good ol' St. Peter would open the gates for me.

FWIW, I was raised Southern Baptist. I think I'm a better "Christian" than most Christians that I know, in spite of the fact that I do not believe. Think about that for a moment.

That's what my aforementioned friend says too. And I'm on your boat about generally being a good person.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by 1NZYaris1

I was not going to make any comment at all , but so far there's what
four or five pages here , and for the first time in a long time ,
everyone is playing nice , and respecting each other view's .
the other thing i will say is That IF there is a GOD he's got one sick
sense of humor.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by tomato

Against my better judgment, I'll jump in - even though I usually avoid discussions about religion like the plague - only because you sound so sincere in wanting input from others.

I might offend but here goes. In my opinion, your GF is a fundamentalist and that is NOT a good thing.

In my family alone, we have 3 religions, well, 4 if you include the fact that I don't belong to any particular organized religion. I have a big problem with organized religions myself. It would take too long to explain and I don't want to bore everybody. Let's just say I'm not very religious, but I still try to live by certain Christian principles, if that makes sense.

Still, I cannot even begin to count how many times people approach me to try to cram their own religious beliefs down my throat and tell me how to live my life.

My religion is pretty simple: I practice charity towards others whenever possible and generally try to be a good person, you know, and abide by the main principles "thou shall not steal, etc." all that good stuff. I DON'T turn the other cheek, though

But to get back to your initial post. I believe that it is easier to tolerate differences of opinion in politics but when it comes to religion, it is far more difficult because people are dead set on their beliefs in an almost visceral manner and they have zero tolerance for others people's view point.

So much so, that in some cases, religion drives people to do crazy things. People have been killing each others for years, since the very beginning, over differences of opinion on religion. More recently, we have lost 2 buildings in NY, due to some religious extremism turned violent as well.

So I worry for you and your relationship with your GF, long term, when you say that she is trying to get you to follow her beliefs. I don't know the situation, of course, but if I were you, I would rethink having a serious relationship with someone who is so different at the core. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I think eventually, that will create a wall between you if it isn't already there.

My 2 c, though, nothing more.

Peace

Thank you for your input. I agree with what I bolded since that is how I am, how my family is for that matter. I'm sorry, but I will seriously get heated if someone dares to tell me that my dad, who worked two jobs all his life so that his family could have a decent life and was a good person all his life, is in hell for not following the Bible.

Yes, I agree, people get so hyperreligious that they feel the need to exterminate others; i.e. the Holy War.

But yes, if she continues at this and does not come to respect my beliefs, I will end my relationship with her.

[tomato]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Thank you for your input. I agree with what I bolded since that is how I am, how my family is for that matter. I'm sorry, but I will seriously get heated if someone dares to tell me that my dad, who worked two jobs all his life so that his family could have a decent life and was a good person all his life, is in hell for not following the Bible.

Right on.

You're welcome, BTW :)

[Kaotic Lazagna]

************************************ SHE WON'T STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I AM THIS CLOSE TO CALLING IT QUITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why can she not just fucking respect the fact that I do not necessarily believe in the Bible!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is seriously going to make me have a fucking breakdown!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

She is saying just because I believe in Jesus, I have to believe the Bible.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

And the whole Sabbath thing, you know, not doing anything but resting and reading the Bible, which the SDA believe it to be from Friday night to Saturday night...so are they telling me that nurses, doctors, police, firemen, etc should not work those days, and the ones that are working those days are being sinners?

One of the 10 Commandments involves Sabbath ("Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy"), but there are multiple definitions of Sabbath. For SDA, it's Fri-Sat, for Catholics, it's Sunday.

Now I do my best to obey the 10 Commandments, yet live my life.

Do not worship any other gods besides me.
Okay, I don't believe in any other God.

Do not make idols of any kind
I don't have any idols, per se. I have a scapular around my neck, and there is a crucifix at my church that I kneel to, but I am not idolizing either of these. I simply find God in these, which I don't see it as idolizing the item, but God instead.

Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
I'm changing my ways now, and trying my hardest to not use God's name in vain (no more "Oh my God" statements.

Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
See top.

Honor your father and mother.
I do this on a daily basis.

Do not murder.
I'm not going postal on anyone.

Do not commit adultery.
Nope, don't go around having sex.

Do not steal.
I'm not pulling any Winona's.

Do not testify falsely against your neighbor.
Don't do this either.

Do not covet your neighbor’s house.
This is something that's hard, since I would like to have items that other people have, but in no way am I truly jealous of them for having the said item.


So, how am I a bad person?