No more Pontiac. :(

[JBIZZ]

I heard Pontiacs sell better than Buicks or Cadillacs, but are not as lucrative in profit on each car. I use to be a GM guy, after Toyota of course, but would probably choose a Ford now, since they have shown there a responsible company. It is unfortunate that the domestic manufacturers can't produce nearly as good of a car as the Japanese. At least there on par with German manufacturers though.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by MadMax

The only reason Ford is not going through this right now is that it is more globalized and more broadly focused in its lineup.

....not exactly... Ford went through a horrendous shakeup a few years back, shedding tens of thousands of white collar employees and outsourcing quite a few models, especially the smaller ones. They already have been through the mill like GM, except that they did it more quietly.

BTW, Oldsmobile was eliminated a while back. Nobody seemed to think that was a symptom of GM's decay.

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by supmet

I feel a little bad for saturn employees.

The hummer employees losing their jobs is natural selection in action. If you couldn't see with global warming on the news every day, and gas hitting 5 bucks a gallon last year, that hummers were on the way out, I don't think your brain is working.

How about we make a little agreement here? You and the rest of the True Believers keep your religious convictions of "climate change" and its sources to yourself and I won't start another political controversy like the one we had in the Fuel Economy section? Sounds fair to me, considering.

As far as the Hummer.... GM probably made good money on them until the price of gasoline spiked. Given how the US Government owns over seventy percent of GM, and that the Hummer is a Politically Incorrect Vehicle, it's a no brainer why GM dumped the line.

Gene

[AlexNet0]

I cant say that Im sad to see Pontiac go out, however I did like the new G8

[supmet]

Originally Posted by GeneW

How about we make a little agreement here? You and the rest of the True Believers keep your religious convictions of "climate change" and its sources to yourself and I won't start another political controversy like the one we had in the Fuel Economy section? Sounds fair to me, considering.

As far as the Hummer.... GM probably made good money on them until the price of gasoline spiked. Given how the US Government owns over seventy percent of GM, and that the Hummer is a Politically Incorrect Vehicle, it's a no brainer why GM dumped the line.

Gene

I made no claims as to the truth of global warming, or its causes. I just pointed out that it has been in the news, and quite a bit. Your second paragraph is just an elaboration of what I was saying. Shift out of argue mode and into reading mode, it might do you some good.

And post what you want. 99% of the forum skips over your long winded posts full of hot air. I just read and argue with you out of boredom.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by supmet

I made no claims as to the truth of global warming, or its causes. I just pointed out that it has been in the news, and quite a bit. Your second paragraph is just an elaboration of what I was saying. Shift out of argue mode and into reading mode, it might do you some good.

And post what you want. 99% of the forum skips over your long winded posts full of hot air. I just read and argue with you out of boredom.

Try reading yourself... I'll edit out the factual parts for the benefit of objective readers.

"If you couldn't see with global warming on the news every day that hummers were on the way out, I don't think your brain is working."

You tried to slip some of your Gaia Worship past the class. I consider Global Warming news to be as factual as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and so do many others, which means we wouldn't let it affect us.

Nice try with slipping some of your old time religion past the class. Like I said before, keep that Holy Roller crap to your little self, and I'll keep mine to myself. Sounds fair to me.

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by PK198105

so....how bout that Pontiac

You ever see a Hudson, Packard or Studebaker in the flesh? They were awfully nice cars but didn't cut it in the marketplace.

Life goes on.

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by PK198105

hmmm i dont think you got the meaning of my post guys lol

i just want to know why cant they just leave SAAB a SAAB , OPEL as OPEL etc etc

I don't know... maybe GM has some ulterior motive, or maybe the US "Auto Task Force" and "Auto Czar" has something up their sleeves?

[tuckevalastin]

Originally Posted by GeneW

You ever see a Hudson, Packard or Studebaker in the flesh? They were awfully nice cars but didn't cut it in the marketplace.

Life goes on.

Gene

Seen and driven and especially in the case of Studebaker, they are wonderful cars.

And not that I'm agreeing with your point but you can certainly mention Auburn, Cord, and Duesenberg.. They were the cars of the stars, the greatest cars in the world; that is until their finances failed.

[ka0sx]

so....... Government motors ehh? =P
I actually wish the government would in fact take control of the company to reshape it not to launder the debt onto the tax payers without any say from the taxpayers about what is going on with their money.

[tuckevalastin]

Do you honestly think that the government isn't going to tell GM exactly what to build, where to build it, and when it should be built? And do you honestly think that taking a vote from the general public as to what GM should spend their money on will result in a success? I mean isn't there a point to a business career, experience, and knowledge of the automobile and automibile industry?

[SailDesign]

I'l just be interested to see if a company that is in reality owned by you and I can actually design and build cars that you and I want. interesting....

[tuckevalastin]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

I'l just be interested to see if a company that is in reality owned by you and I can actually design and build cars that you and I want. interesting....

The problem is You and I want completely different cars but whose to say whether your wants are more important than mine if we both own an equal share.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

I'l just be interested to see if a company that is in reality owned by you and I can actually design and build cars that you and I want. interesting....

Don't want to be difficult,l but "you" and "I" don't own a thing. The US Government owns it and a bunch of Activists and Technocrats will run it. If you have doubts wait for the shareholders meeting..... but don't wait too long.

I for one want to see the subsidies needed to make a little car in the US. If Toyota and Honda couldn't do it at a profit how will GM do it? Why should I spend on my own car and someone else's too?

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by tuckevalastin

Do you honestly think that the government isn't going to tell GM exactly what to build, where to build it, and when it should be built? And do you honestly think that taking a vote from the general public as to what GM should spend their money on will result in a success? I mean isn't there a point to a business career, experience, and knowledge of the automobile and automibile industry?

Trabant.... made by the government, for the people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant



Gene

[supmet]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Try reading yourself... I'll edit out the factual parts for the benefit of objective readers.

"If you couldn't see with global warming on the news every day that hummers were on the way out, I don't think your brain is working."

You tried to slip some of your Gaia Worship past the class. I consider Global Warming news to be as factual as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and so do many others, which means we wouldn't let it affect us.

Nice try with slipping some of your old time religion past the class. Like I said before, keep that Holy Roller crap to your little self, and I'll keep mine to myself. Sounds fair to me.

Gene

And your complex still doesn't allow you to see my point(and I think you might have a serious problem, because you basically regurgitated my point into your own words already). The day the "green revolution" started hummer was doomed. Your opinion, and my opinion about the global warming are irrelevant.

But now I'm confused - do I worship the earth(gaia worship) or god(holy roller). And what does either have to do with making market projections off of OTHER people's beliefs?

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by supmet

The day the "green revolution" started hummer was doomed.

There you go again....

Gene

[Bob_VT]

The Trabant had body panels made of masonite panels..... light weight and would not rust but you could put a fist through one real easy (and if you have had a few too many to drink.........)

Sad to see Pontiac go. Saab will just be absorbed in Europe...... Saturn had some great features such as the polymer panels....... Hummer ....... it is nothing more than a glorified GM 2500 chassis .....

I hope that chevy and buick absorbs some of the models..... and in typical fashion rebadge them.

Funny no one has mentioned the "other" GM companies that will suffer with common household products.