What I've Learned From...

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I realize that, but isn't our calendar based on non-Christians? So why would Christians utilize it and base the biblical days onto it?

think about it.

if non-christians designed our calendar THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO and religion has adopted it, without changing it to their benefit (catholic church actually attempted to change the calendar, and the USSR tried a 5 day week which was a disaster) don't you think that makes it MORE legit?

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tamago

think about it.

if non-christians designed our calendar THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO and religion has adopted it, without changing it to their benefit (catholic church actually attempted to change the calendar, and the USSR tried a 5 day week which was a disaster) don't you think that makes it MORE legit?

You kinda lost me, but no, I don't.

I just want to know why we simply cannot take a day out of our week to do our observances to God. Why does it have to be a specific day? Wouldn't God be happy with people taking a day out of their busy schedule to think about Him?

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

LOL. I don't think I need to follow the bible to worship God. Otherwise, I'd be worshiping the bible.

does the bible not say to worship god?

do you follow the 10 commandments?

if you don't follow the bible but think you're gonna get into heaven, that's like NOT STUDYING for your SAT and expecting to pass with flying colors....

(by the way, to clear this up, i am no longer an SDA or a religious person in any way really. i just don't like seeing a religion that did me no harm being represented as poorly as it's been presented to you.)

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

You kinda lost me, but no, I don't.

I just want to know why we simply cannot take a day out of our week to do our observances to God. Why does it have to be a specific day? Wouldn't God be happy with people taking a day out of their busy schedule to think about Him?

one of the 10 commandments is "remember the sabbath day to keep it holy, 6 days shalt thou labor blah blah blah but the seventh day is the sabbath of the lord thy god blah blah blah"

so, if you want to worship god because you respect him, wouldn't it also be respectful to do it on the day he asked you to? if you don't it makes you kind of arrogant.. like if you were going to go to a car meet that met on tuesdays but you only showed up on wednesdays..

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tamago

does the bible not say to worship god?

do you follow the 10 commandments?

if you don't follow the bible but think you're gonna get into heaven, that's like NOT STUDYING for your SAT and expecting to pass with flying colors....

(by the way, to clear this up, i am no longer an SDA or a religious person in any way really. i just don't like seeing a religion that did me no harm being represented as poorly as it's been presented to you.)

You got me wrong, I'm not saying that SDA's are bad. I'm just saying that their beliefs is not the same as mine, and I do not see why everyone cannot simply respect other people's beliefs.

I do follow the 10 Commandments, but the whole Sabbath day to me is different. Like I said before, why should there be a specific day for me to worship God and his creations?

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Like I said before, why should there be a specific day for me to worship God and his creations?

...because god asked us to... pretty specifically actually.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tamago

one of the 10 commandments is "remember the sabbath day to keep it holy, 6 days shalt thou labor blah blah blah but the seventh day is the sabbath of the lord thy god blah blah blah"

so, if you want to worship god because you respect him, wouldn't it also be respectful to do it on the day he asked you to? if you don't it makes you kind of arrogant.. like if you were going to go to a car meet that met on tuesdays but you only showed up on wednesdays..

I'm really wondering who assigned which days to which names. You might know, and if you, please tell me. I'm all up for learning.

Like I told my ex, I do not associate myself with any religion, but rather take what I think is good from what I learn about religions, and apply it to my beliefs.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tamago

...because god asked us to... pretty specifically actually.

Where does it say in the bible that the Seventh Day is Saturday (I can say the same for Catholics and say Sunday [I do realize that the Pope said it should be Sunday]).

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Where does it say in the bible that the Seventh Day is Saturday (I can say the same for Catholics and say Sunday [I do realize that the Pope said it should be Sunday]).

saturday has been the 7th day of the week since the dawn of time. i'm no historian but you can look this up dating to non-religious works and writings and verify that saturday is the seventh day. i'm not going to do your research for you ;)

[Kaotic Lazagna]

On another note, if someone was about to kill your (again, being general here) family, and you had a gun right next to you, would you not use it?

Or if there was a major natural disaster, and your family was starving, would you not steal a loaf of bread to keep them alive?

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tamago

saturday has been the 7th day of the week since the dawn of time. i'm no historian but you can look this up dating to non-religious works and writings and verify that saturday is the seventh day. i'm not going to do your research for you ;)

hahaha, do me a favor and bump this thread up again later on in the night. I have another class soon, and some hw to finish before hand.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

On another note, if someone was about to kill your (again, being general here) family, and you had a gun right next to you, would you not use it?

Or if there was a major natural disaster, and your family was starving, would you not steal a loaf of bread to keep them alive?

why steal when you can barter?

why kill when you can disable?

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

hahaha, do me a favor and bump this thread up again later on in the night. I have another class soon, and some hw to finish before hand.

it's GuinnessThirty here.. i'll see what i can come up with lol

[TinyGiant]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I've always found your posts in my threads to be well said. But the things you and I believe in, SDA's refuse to believe in. They HAVE to believe in the bible, which brings me to think...

...in the bible, slavery is an okay thing. So, that means my ex's church leader should be enslaved? I'm sorry, but there are too many things that contradict in the bible for me to believe in it.

Also, on another note, the bible and/or SDA's say that the world's knowledge means nothing to God, correct? So tell me why in one of the their church meetings, they mention how scientists who conducted scientific research have found that breakfast is something needed by humans to stay healthy? I'm sorry, but didn't they just tell me that the world's knowledge is incorrect and means nothing? So why use science in their lectures?

Again, too many things wrong.


Furthermore, the last bible study, the leader mentions vines and wine, and says "what do you think of when you hear vines? Grapes." Ummm, no, I was actually thinking of plants that grow on walls, sticks, etc, like golden honeysuckles.

I hate it how their leader says that the bible interprets itself, but and uses another verse to interpret another verse, but uses his opinions and stuff (like that grape vine) on the verse that's interpreting the other. Umm, so that's not the bible interpreting itself, it's him that is.

one thing alot of people misunderstand is that the bible was written with huge cultural context. Slavery wasnt as it was before the cival war days here in the US .. people or countries would be enslaved to a person or country who had conquered their land. Or people could actually sell themselves into slavery to pay off a debt or to give money to their family while they worked as slaves (manual labor to pay off debt) In many instances it wasnt voluntary.. or right but .. what i am saying is the bible was written with huge cultural points.

Some babtist and other legalistic denominations believe that a woman should always have long hair because the bible says that women should have a long hair or have thier heads covered in order to not be a distraction in church. what most people dont know is that prostitutes would shave their heads in those times and if one went to church bald it would get the men thinking of things they shouldnt be. and all people go to church should be seen on the same level.. we are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God. So for a women to cover her head it was more of a cultural thing than anything. This is one of the more interesting things of the bible is you can read it all you want .. but if you really want to understand it you have to dig back to the greek and understand the meanings and context in which things are said. these contexts and misunderstandings are where alot of churches and religions get off base.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tamago

why steal when you can barter?

why kill when you can disable?

How can you barter when no one is around? I mean, during Katrina, people were talked about on the news for stealing bread from a bakery that was not attended.

If I could, I would disable a person before using lethal forces. But let's say that you were in a physical position that will not disable a person fully, but were in a position that aims the gun straight to the head, and only have one bullet, where the killer has multiple bullets? I'm not saying that killing is right, and I highly think it is wrong, but if it means keeping my family alive, I will resort to it.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tamago

it's GuinnessThirty here.. i'll see what i can come up with lol

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by TinyGiant

one thing alot of people misunderstand is that the bible was written with huge cultural context. Slavery wasnt as it was before the cival war days here in the US .. people or countries would be enslaved to a person or country who had conquered their land. Or people could actually sell themselves into slavery to pay off a debt or to give money to their family while they worked as slaves (manual labor to pay off debt) In many instances it wasnt voluntary.. or right but .. what i am saying is the bible was written with huge cultural points.

Some babtist and other legalistic denominations believe that a woman should always have long hair because the bible says that women should have a long hair or have thier heads covered in order to not be a distraction in church. what most people dont know is that prostitutes would shave their heads in those times and if one went to church bald it would get the men thinking of things they shouldnt be. and all people go to church should be seen on the same level.. we are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God. So for a women to cover her head it was more of a cultural thing than anything. This is one of the more interesting things of the bible is you can read it all you want .. but if you really want to understand it you have to dig back to the greek and understand the meanings and context in which things are said. these contexts and misunderstandings are where alot of churches and religions get off base.

The same for the verse in the bible that states that women should not speak in church and if they want to learn anything, go home and ask their husbands. I mean, seriously, my ex's church leader makes it out that they have to follow everything the bible says, so why do I see women speaking in their church?

[Kaotic Lazagna]

If you guys want to keep discussing, please do so (civilly, I want to keep this thread open). I really have to get going. hahaha. Later Tamago (what's your real name, btw?).