Toyota...We're Number....Two???

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by MadMax

That is some of the most inaccurate comments ever posted on this forum! First, Volkswagens are tied with Toyota in terms of reliability...both got an 86; and Volkswagen's increase of 5 points, or 6.2 percent, marked the biggest jump from the year before (source).

Secondly, I wonder if you have even set foot in Europe as the comment that American's are "more picky about good cars" is the biggest bullshit statement I have ever heard in my life! Dude, I was born and lived numerous times in Germany, as well as Belgium and the UK. Cars are taken much more seriously in Europe than the US, as not only are they more expensive to buy but also maintain. I go back to Europe several times a year, and never see as much pieces of junk on the road as I do in the States (and I also travel throughout the country, so this isn't specific to any particular region).

Lastly, I had two VW Passats (B4) that I put over a quarter of a million miles on without any considerable problems! Sure, they aren't as maintenance-free as some Japanese brands; but I would never buy an American car over one, nor are they unreliable or overly expensive to maintain.

Next time do a little research...

I have spent years working in Bulgaria, Germany, Spain, England, Italy, Holland, and France.

Europeans don't maintain their cars as well as Americans do, nor are they as picky as Americans about quality, nor do they have the choices Americans have nor do they have the buying power we have.

Americans are the absolute most picky fickle and descerning consumers in the world.


Only an idiot would by a VW because they are over priced, suck gas big time, unreliable, undependable, and the cost of ownership is huge compared to most Japanese cars.

However to be fair, VW's drive fantastically.....when they're not in the shop.

[Kal-El]

Hopefully the personal attacks will stop so this thread doesn't get closed.

It's an interesting debate.

There is a reason that VW's market share is less than 2% in the US. Some here seem to argue in favor of VW's supposed quality. But it is undeniable that they are nearly the worse cars in terms of quality. I work at a car dealer where I see first hand how all car brands hold up. I cannot believe the condition (not from abuse) that VW's come in. The interior hardware in particular is a joke. Really sad.

VW's have great driving dynamics. That's it. And that is what Europeans favor most hence their success.

If Europeans cared so much about maintenance, why are their oil change intervals like 15,000 miles (for example)? While Americans are meticulous about 3-5K oil changes?

Hopefully, VW is straightening things out as of the last 2 years and maybe they are. Before that though, stay clear.

[tomato]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

Europeans don't maintain their cars as well as Americans do, nor are they as picky as Americans about quality, nor do they have the choices Americans have nor do they have the buying power we have.

Americans are the absolute most picky fickle and descerning consumers in the world.
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don't take it personally but that's a pretty poor comment (and I'm being nice)

I usually look the other way these days when I disagree with someone, especially when I believe their opinion comes from deeply seated political beliefs, but that is possibly the most inaccurate comment I've read on this board in a while.

I only wish I had some of the choices Europeans have. And to say that they're not picky consumers is just complete and makes me wonder what exactly you saw in Eruope if you actually set foot there in the first place