Toyota has some problems

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by thebarber

wow, another thread on a japanese board standing up for toyota and bashing domestic brands...awesome.

Don't sound so surprised, dood.

[thebarber]

at least we have microimageonline.com to talk about cars that arent a yaris or toyota

[wufai]

If I were giving a choice today it would be the Hyundai Elantra, larger car with better fuel eco than a Yaris. The only Toyota car selling in the NA market I deem reliable is the Yaris. but its lackluster features is getting harder and harder to justify in today's competitive market.

[thebarber]

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by thebarber

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

I have to agree.
When they discontinued the Celica as of '06. Toyota said they wanted to "concentrate on family oriented cars".
In other words, boring cars.

[carnageehw]

Originally Posted by thebarber

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

From the outside, unless I take a little bit of time to study the length, teh Corrola looks just like the Yaris. two different cars shouldn't look so much alike.

[p123456789]

Honestly toyota is going to have to step the game WAY up in order to compete with gm and ford, the new focus and cruz are much nicer vehicles than the the yaris or carolla. I dont get what poeple have against domestic car companies on this forum its like half the poeple on here have a huge stereotype on everyone whoe drives a truck or suv.

[sqcomp]

I dunno, I've had more bad experiences with domestic vehicles than good(actually there have been NO good experiences for me with domestics). I bought into Toyota for the quality, reputation, and resale value.

For me there's no better value than a Toyota, "ugly" or not. If I HAD to choose another car that wasn't Japanese, it'd probably be a hyundai...maybe. This is coming from the guy who is planning his next purchase...a Camry SE V6. There's just something about the look, the fit and finish of that Camry and that engine that does something for me. That being said, the Scion Tc all lowered with that Five Axis kit on it? That's pretty nice as well.

[ilikerice]

i hope the new scion FR-S brings toyota back on the performance map.. i hope its not a flop.. im seriously considering trading up for that if it goes into production.

[silver_echo]

Originally Posted by ilikerice

i hope the new scion FR-S brings toyota back on the performance map.. i hope its not a flop.. im seriously considering trading up for that if it goes into production.

but i honestly think that if i were looking at one, i would probably end up with the subaru 086a... AWD turbo...

[carnageehw]

Originally Posted by p123456789

Honestly toyota is going to have to step the game WAY up in order to compete with gm and ford, the new focus and cruz are much nicer vehicles than the the yaris or carolla. I dont get what poeple have against domestic car companies on this forum its like half the poeple on here have a huge stereotype on everyone whoe drives a truck or suv.

Well, a car is a huge purchase, second only to a house for most people. To it's important that you feel good about your purchase, and that can lead to being defensive, or overly sensitive.

And let's not forget that while domestics are on the way up, there WAS a period where they sucked pretty hardcore. Considering that a car is such a huge purchase, for those people who bought a crappy car, it's understandable that they wouldn't want to go back to a certain brand.

[ilikerice]

Originally Posted by silver_echo

but i honestly think that if i were looking at one, i would probably end up with the subaru 086a... AWD turbo...

yea.. but i like the toyota emblem so much that i dont like the idea of going over to subaru side.. I KNOW, its basicly a toyota shell and interior with the platform of a subaru.. but still, i like the fact that toyota/scion is finalling making a car thats not FWD.. think they wanna get into the drift scene now.. lol

[frownonfun]

As far as I'm concerned every company is gonna have to start producing something far and above what they are now before I begin to seriously consider getting rid of what I have now. I'm done with that whole "give the dealership a boost every couple years" business.

[p123456789]

Originally Posted by frownonfun

As far as I'm concerned every company is gonna have to start producing something far and above what they are now before I begin to seriously consider getting rid of what I have now. I'm done with that whole "give the dealership a boost every couple years" business.

I totally agree I'm sick of everyone thinking they have to keep up with the jonses while drowning in debt, I'm probably going to keep my yaris until it can't be driven any longer. I will also never buy a vehicle at a dealership I've worked at a couple and the stuff they won't fix on used cars is sickening they usually let the car go out broken hope the customer won't realize its broken and if they do they blame the customer what crap is that? They sell the car for full blown retail and give you black book trade in which is bs.

[.Kevin.]

Originally Posted by frownonfun

Lol, rednecks in Canada. It's hard to imagine there's all that many but then again, I've never been to Canada. Still it's amusing to think about. Do they talk with a draw AND say "eh" at the end of things. lol.

4/5 vehicles in my town are trucks.

[why?]

Originally Posted by p123456789

Honestly toyota is going to have to step the game WAY up in order to compete with gm and ford, the new focus and cruz are much nicer vehicles than the the yaris or carolla. I dont get what poeple have against domestic car companies on this forum its like half the poeple on here have a huge stereotype on everyone whoe drives a truck or suv.

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage.

I highly doubt chrysler can recover, their dealer network has such a bad reputation i don't see how anyone would want to go their.

GM has a couple good looking cars, but no history of reliability, and a long history of trash.

Ford has some momentum going, and some decent advertising, plus they didn't sell their soul to the government, so that is a major plus. Still it is going to take a decade of solid reliability before people will trust them again.

And besides hit pieces like this, even the government had to admit toyota did nothing wrong, and their reliability was just slandered, and was really fine. I just wish Toyota's boss' had the guts to tell off the senate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7180BK20110209

[yaris2010RS]

Originally Posted by thebarber

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

i agree with u, the new toyotas and scions are getting quite ugly and boring, on the same note my next car will either be a venza or the 2011 sienna van.... (im almost 20 now, i figure ill b ready for my next car in 10 years but if i had to choose today)

2011-toyota-sienna-21.jpg

la-sienna4.jpg

one of the sexiest vans ever made IMO

[carnageehw]

Originally Posted by why?

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage.

Yes it will. A car made 10 years ago has little to no bearing on the quality of cars made today. The parts are different, technology has changed, design has changed.

Reasoning stands that if a company has made high quality cars for a decade, they will likely continue to do so, so it is good for peace of mind, I suppose, but it in no way MEANS the company will continue to make great (or poor, for that matter) cars in the future.

Do you honestly think that because a car is "American" it will have problems? Or because it is "Japanese" it will not break down unexpectedly?