The 1000cc vs 1300cc

[BEEF]

The published weight of my yaris (2008 liftback) is 2250lbs.

I get a pretty consistent 41mpg. If I had to guess, my 0-60mph time would be somewhere around 8-9 seconds. (very comperable to 0-100kph time). Of the small cars I have driven, this one has a very balanced mix of power and efficiency.

Not sure why some people have issues with diesels. If you look at other countries, they are seeing a fuel economy increase of sometimes 50%...that is well worth the extra 10-20% fuel cost. and the fact that as a general rule of thumb, a diesel will last quite a bit longer than a conventional gasoline (petrol) motor.

I have been salivating over the Smart Diesel and the Mini Cooper Diesel though sadly you can't get them in the US. They can be brought to canada and imported though I have heard that is a painful process.

Mini cooper diesel = 65.7mpg (imperial) and 54.7mpg (US)
Smart diesel = 83mpg (imperial) and 69mpg (US)

no hybrid crap there, put in fuel and drive. Diesels are the way to efficiently drive. Everyone gets it but the United States.

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I forgot the obvious. The YARIS diesel gets really good mileage too. I found one site that said it got 62.8mpg though it didn't say if it were imperial or US gallons. if it were infact imperial gallons, it would still be over 52mpg US.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by BEEF

Not sure why some people have issues with diesels. If you look at other countries, they are seeing a fuel economy increase of sometimes 50%...that is well worth the extra 10-20% fuel cost. and the fact that as a general rule of thumb, a diesel will last quite a bit longer than a conventional gasoline (petrol) motor.

That 50% figure, if true, would be great!

Typical efficiency is more like 15%.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...nt-than-diesel

Just like a hybrid, you have to figure in the increased cost. In 1980, a diesel VW Rabbit was nearly $8000, almost $3000 more than the gas version. You could never recover the initial purchase price.

If you want a diesel (or a hybrid) that is fine.

You just wont be saving any money.

Presented as a public service.

[BEEF]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Presented as a public service.

It's really not, it's missinformation.

The very article that you touted is comparing an ecoboost motor to a diesel. an ecoboost is a turbocharged motor and has quite a price premium on the run of the mill gas motor that comes in the base model. your price delta just got smaller.

on top of that, I noted that emissions was an issue in the states. the thing that kills the mileage of diesels in the states is the emissions standards (politics)

you have to look past the AMERICAN bubble. the figures that I stated above are actual cars getting high 50s and low 60s for MPG. what is the best we can do without a hybrid right now? 40s...on a good day. that's more than the 15% you are saying.

the OP isn't even in the US....that's my point.


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Mini cooper (in the UK)

Mini Cooper 14,900 52.3mpg
Mini Cooper D 16,180 74.3mpg
Mini Cooper S 18.180 48.7mpg

this truly is apples to apples. this isn't american cars to european cars. it is european to european. there is your roughly 50% mileage savings at a cost of around 1,300 (pounds I think) (or rougly 10% premium over the gas one).

http://www.mini.co.uk/model-range/hatch/mini-cooper-d/ (site to back it up since I guess I need one)

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by BEEF

It's really not, it's missinformation.


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You can lok it up anywhere. Gas engines are ~30% efficient at turning gasoline into mechanical energy

Diesel engines are ~45% efficient ditto.

All I ask is if a person is considering a diesel (or hybrid) is calculate how much more the vehicle costs vs how much you "save" with the "more efficient" technology.

Show me the numbers!

[edmscan]

Originally Posted by BEEF

Not sure why some people have issues with diesels. If you look at other countries, they are seeing a fuel economy increase of sometimes 50%...that is well worth the extra 10-20% fuel cost.

In some places, like where I am from in Alberta diesel is actually CHEAPER than regular gasoline. I am not sure why that is, but for some people it would be a good alternative.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by edmscan

In some places, like where I am from in Alberta diesel is actually CHEAPER than regular gasoline. I am not sure why that is, but for some people it would be a good alternative.

Yeah if its cheaper its great. In Canada on my trip to AK last summer everywhere I went it was cheaper.

But its not everyplace Ive been in the US.

[Islander]

lol, so i take it most of the guys here are just old fuddy duddies looking for the best gas mileage. :p

As for the diesel vs petrol debate, diesel is significantly cheaper over here. I'm not sure what the political and economic reasons for that are.

I don't think there's a diesel tax (i know there's an emissions tax on petrol cars over 2000cc). But most vehicles here which are diesel are double cabs, and there is a tax on them.

I've got an old Nissan double cab which is diesel, and despite being a 2.5L, the MPG is great. But again it goes back to the cost at the pump.

[Kar98]

Originally Posted by Islander

lol, so i take it most of the guys here are just old fuddy duddies looking for the best gas mileage. :p

It sure sounds like it. I've got the 1.5, too, and I'm sorely missing the extra half liter compared to my previous car. That old VW Golf only had 115 HP vs the 106 in the Yaris, weight and size were not too dissimilar, but damn would it ever outrun the Yaris any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I know the 1.8 liter engine from a Matrix would bolt right up into my hatchback ;)

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by Kar98

It sure sounds like it. I've got the 1.5, too, and I'm sorely missing the extra half liter compared to my previous car. That old VW Golf only had 115 HP vs the 106 in the Yaris, weight and size were not too dissimilar, but damn would it ever outrun the Yaris any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I know the 1.8 liter engine from a Matrix would bolt right up into my hatchback ;)

well......the VW could outrun the Yaris, except when it was in the shop for repairs! The tortoise and the hair paradigm again, eh!

[Kar98]

Originally Posted by daf62757

well......the VW could outrun the Yaris, except when it was in the shop for repairs!

I gave up. After meticulously fixing every problem the instant it arose, it was getting to much and I quit bothering. So by the time I sold it this summer, reverse lights, window cranks, high beams, door locks, most door handles... all had quit working. There were a few other things, like aux-in only had the left channel, finding just the right spot to insert the key to start the car, mystery noises all over that I had just learned to live with.

I gave up when the A/C quit in July, in Texas, and bought the Yaris: ten years newer and 100,000 miles less on the clock. And everything works.