Just got a ticket for this. - Page 3 - Toyota Yaris Forums

sbergman27 · 03-31-2010, 02:17 PM

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Oh GTFO... You are absolutely correct, I shouldn't criticize the lack of grammar.

To the extent that it matters, you're not exactly in a position to criticize there. Yours is not the best. I do agree with Sail that your slur was inappropriate. And I will add, "in poor taste".

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You can't defend your position with search and seizure so you're switching up.

I've defended it pretty well, but you are attacking other people. Why not attack *my* position, with facts, instead?

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All you can do is gripe about how you got pulled over for breaking the law. Keep on...let's hear the arguments on how it is wrong to stop someone for breaking the law.

Jamal has had very little to say beyond reporting the incident. And at best "you" have him on a ridiculous technicality.

I got pulled over for a completely bogus and contrived reason. My tag was perfectly fine. And the fellow who did it knew very well that it was a bogus and contrived reason. (If you doubt that, we can discuss the facts further.) The real reason being that I was a male traveling alone. You can't reasonably defend that policy.

-Steve

sqcomp · 03-31-2010, 01:54 PM

and? Are we going to get to the fault of the officer here? Oh wait! There isn't.

SailDesign · 03-31-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sqcomp

and? Are we going to get to the fault of the officer here? Oh wait! There isn't.

No-one, least of all the OP, said there was. Read the first post again - Jamal was laughing at the situation, and probably still is.

cali yaris · 03-31-2010, 02:09 PM

I didn't read this whole thing. Don't the eyelids cover up the turn signals, or make them less easy to see for oncoming cars?

They do on the liftback.

Gideon · 03-31-2010, 02:16 PM

lol, like no one here has never done anything illegal or broken a law ever. If I get pulled over for speeding, sure that's a law I've broken, and officer has caught me and I'll probably go to court and pay it (requesting traffic school of course) but if an officer asks me if they can search my vehicle it's been NO every time.

I cooperate with law enforcement officers only to the point that I am legally required. It's within my rights as provided to me by the United States Constitution and interpreted by the United States Supreme Court.

*tk-421* · 03-31-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

I didn't read this whole thing. Don't the eyelids cover up the turn signals, or make them less easy to see for oncoming cars?

They do on the liftback.

The turn signals don't get covered up on the sedan. But even on the LB it's not that bad...

I think this is one of those cases where a cop looks for an excuse to stop someone so that he can fill his daily quota early in the day, get called a hero and go home.

Not a big fan of cops, quite honestly. It's quite rare to meet a cop that doesn't abuse his authority around these parts (Mexico), unfortunate as that may be.

eht13 · 03-31-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tk-421

The turn signals don't get covered up on the sedan. But even on the LB it's not that bad...

Unlike the liftback, on the sedan the turn signals are across the bottom, well away from where the eyelids would go. And I think the eyelids only cover up a part of the clear headlight housing that sits above chrome molding... behind the open part where the bulbs are. So it's odd that those would be illegal, because on some cars that space right behind the bulbs would not even be clear plastic housing anyway, and would instead be the metal of the hood or quarter panel.

SailDesign · 03-31-2010, 02:47 PM

This looks like a good place to close this one. No-one has started name-calling yet, and the initial point has been lost long ago.
Mods?

sbergman27 · 03-31-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

This looks like a good place to close this one.

I disagree. Internet discussions should be about more than "Oh! That's cool!" and "Yes! I so agree with you!" and "Me too!".

These forums should foster interesting discussion. And *disagreement*. Disagreement is so *very* important.

I remember a greeting card I once saw in a gift shop. It had a sort of middle-aged, "average" looking guy sitting on a cloud, with wings, and a halo, and a harp sitting next to him. Chin on hand. Looking really bored. And the caption was "Hmmm.... I shoulda brought a magazine..."

That's what heavily moderated boards are like. Have a little faith in people's ability to save a thread that looks like it might be in trouble. Sometimes they crash, and sometimes they soar, in my experience, and in forums which let them. Don't vote to kill it at the first sign of trouble. That forces people to take some responsibility for it.

Disagreement is good. It's when we all agree the we should have a profound sense of worry.

-Steve

SailDesign · 03-31-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sbergman27

I disagree.

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Disagreement is good. It's when we all agree the we should have a profound sense of worry.

There you have it - I disagree (which is good) about the closure

Some threads you just KNOW are going to turn into a flame-fest. Especially when someone has already played the grammar card.....

sbergman27 · 03-31-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

Some threads you just KNOW are going to turn into a flame-fest.

Do they *have* to? Or do we have a choice as to the kind of thread we want? Not just you and me. But all the members of YW?

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Especially when someone has already played the grammar card.....

Yeah. And I played mine. But reasonable discussion could continue. It just depends upon what people want.

Back in the 60s, my mom used to hound and hound upon me to get out of bed, get ready, and go to school. I started learning responsibility when she stopped.

-Steve

MadMax · 03-31-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

Some threads you just KNOW are going to turn into a flame-fest. Especially when someone has already played the grammar card.....

People play the grammar card when they don't have a valid counterargument…

SailDesign · 03-31-2010, 03:26 PM

OK - I'll just say that MY participation has run its course.
Have fun - play nicely.

sbergman27 · 03-31-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

OK - I'll just say that MY participation has run its course.

I think mine might have too. We'll see.

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Have fun - play nicely.

Magazine? :-)

-Steve

MadMax · 03-31-2010, 03:32 PM

The bottom line is that all laws are enforced, even the ones some people think are stupid. They are made for a reason, and it is each person's responsibility to know them. If you get caught violating one, then accept responsibility and do what needs to be done to satisfy the penalty. If this can be corrected as a "fix it" ticket, then take the damn eyelids off and get it cleared.

And criticize the police all you want, your First Amendment rights allow you to do so; but I doubt most of those who do would ever want to spend a week in a cop's shoes. It is a relatively thankless job full of no-win situations; but they are always the first to be called when the shit hits the fan...

sbergman27 · 03-31-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

The bottom line is that all laws are enforced...

But they aren't. They are enforced very selectively. The WASP in the patrol car decides who he stops and who he doesn't. If all the existing laws were enforced uniformly then we'd all be in jail.

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...even the ones some people think are stupid.

No. If the laws don't happen to be enforced against *them*, they don't know or care.

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They are made for a reason

Yeah. Like the one in Kansas that says that any woman driving a mototcar must be preceded, by 20 feet, by a man carrying a lantern.

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and it is each person's responsibility to know them.

Did you know about the lantern thing, BTW? Have you memorized all the statutes in your own state?

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If you get caught violating one, then accept responsibility and do what needs to be done to satisfy the penalty.

You're probably OK on this one as long as you are male, and don't care about the plight of any female who goes out driving without a lantern-guy. Though I confess that I'm not certain who takes the fall if your woman recklessly goes out by herself.

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And criticize the police all you want,

The OP didn't do that. He simply detailed what happened.

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but I doubt most of those who do would ever want to spend a week in a cop's shoes.

Not the point, or the problem. The problem is that those who *are* attracted to that job are exactly the wrong people to do it. Read Plato.

-Steve

cali yaris · 03-31-2010, 03:35 PM

Your bickering was obviously more important than my substantive question, which was ignored. Shame on both of you.

Kaotic Lazagna · 03-31-2010, 03:49 PM

The two times I've been pulled over for my tint (yeah, I know it's illegal, I took them off after the second time), both CHP officers were dicks towards me, for no reason whatsoever. The second time, the officer was trying to be a smartass, saying I exited only because I saw him. Ummm, he should have checked the exit since it was the exit for my school. I should have flashed my parking permit in his face and said that I was exiting for my school.

Now, I'm not saying that all cops out there are asshats. I've encountered a few that are civil and don't abuse their power/authority.

03-31-2010, 01:54 PM	#2
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	and? Are we going to get to the fault of the officer here? Oh wait! There isn't. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

03-31-2010, 02:09 PM	#4
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	I didn't read this whole thing. Don't the eyelids cover up the turn signals, or make them less easy to see for oncoming cars? They do on the liftback. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

03-31-2010, 03:32 PM	#15
MadMax Drives: 2008 Yaris Liftback (Sprocket) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas! Posts: 2,799	The bottom line is that all laws are enforced, even the ones some people think are stupid. They are made for a reason, and it is each person's responsibility to know them. If you get caught violating one, then accept responsibility and do what needs to be done to satisfy the penalty. If this can be corrected as a "fix it" ticket, then take the damn eyelids off and get it cleared. And criticize the police all you want, your First Amendment rights allow you to do so; but I doubt most of those who do would ever want to spend a week in a cop's shoes. It is a relatively thankless job full of no-win situations; but they are always the first to be called when the shit hits the fan... __________________

03-31-2010, 03:35 PM	#17
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	Your bickering was obviously more important than my substantive question, which was ignored. Shame on both of you. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

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Gideon ★weeaboo★ View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Bayou LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 661	lol, like no one here has never done anything illegal or broken a law ever. If I get pulled over for speeding, sure that's a law I've broken, and officer has caught me and I'll probably go to court and pay it (requesting traffic school of course) but if an officer asks me if they can search my vehicle it's been NO every time. I cooperate with law enforcement officers only to the point that I am legally required. It's within my rights as provided to me by the United States Constitution and interpreted by the United States Supreme Court.

03-31-2010, 02:47 PM	#8
SailDesign Drives: . Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,931	This looks like a good place to close this one. No-one has started name-calling yet, and the initial point has been lost long ago. Mods?

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SailDesign Drives: . Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,931	OK - I'll just say that MY participation has run its course. Have fun - play nicely.

03-31-2010, 03:49 PM	#18
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	The two times I've been pulled over for my tint (yeah, I know it's illegal, I took them off after the second time), both CHP officers were dicks towards me, for no reason whatsoever. The second time, the officer was trying to be a smartass, saying I exited only because I saw him. Ummm, he should have checked the exit since it was the exit for my school. I should have flashed my parking permit in his face and said that I was exiting for my school. Now, I'm not saying that all cops out there are asshats. I've encountered a few that are civil and don't abuse their power/authority.