Just got a ticket for this.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by jamal1984

As my first posted say, i don't get mad for getting this ticket.

You are doing very well there, then. I think you should be concerned. And posting here demonstrates that you are.

I would be *angry* and concerned. To be sure, anger is a double-edged sword. Anger can prompt us to take action which we might otherwise be too lazy or distracted to take... or it can cloud our perspective.

I don't think that those agencies who abuse their authority really want cases which involve their abuses paraded before the courts. The courts *could* put a crimp in their style. Concerning my own recent adventure, I considered contacting an attorney, or an organization like the ACLU, to see what, likely small, action I could take too bring this incident to the attention of at least someone in the legal branch of government. I haven't. The infraction, in my example, was relatively minor in the grand scheme of things.

But still, what we're seeing can be viewed as death by a thousand cuts for principles which we thought we held sacred.

There are a lot of right laws out there that i absolutely agreed to it, example.....Speeding, super dark window tinting, hit and run.....loud speakers....

Indeed. I would agree. Others' freedom ends where my nose begins. And rattling the plates in all the houses one passes is... well... in a great show of restraint, I won't call for capitol punishment on that one. Just 25 years in a federal penitentiary, say. ;-)

But when it's come to something like this, in my 2cents it's Stupid, they are Bullying us, Harassing innocent peoples, trying to make revenue out of us, we are tax payers.

It's not just stupid. It's dangerous to the long-term health of our society. To be sure, we have lots of those. But this is a symptom of something that really eats at the foundations.

The fact that you or I got stopped and harassed is of no fundamental consequence. But the general trend, going far beyond traffic issues, *is*.

-Steve

[eht13]

Originally Posted by jamal1984

super dark window tinting

I wonder about this one. I'm in Georgia too, and I know our laws have a tint limit. But I see cars all the time that almost definitely exceed the tint limit. I assume they can pull someone over for just that reason, but maybe not... maybe there has to be another reason, such as speeding, and then they can also say, "by the way, I need to test this tint percentage". Did you (the OP) get stopped for any other reason, or just the eyelids/headlight decals?

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

<snip> I'm not following the ebonics.

<more snip>.

Dood - Just because the guy's handle is jamal, he's from Georgia, and he maybe doesn't write as well as a Harvard English professor, is no reason to bring out the "ebonics" crap.
I mean, really, stick to the cop stuff, which you DO know.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

Dood - Just because the guy's handle is jamal, he's from Georgia, and he maybe doesn't write as well as a Harvard English professor, is no reason to bring out the "ebonics" crap.
I mean, really, stick to the cop stuff, which you DO know.

I had missed that. Perhaps we should give officer Sqcomp a chance to explain what he really meant by that obvious racial slur, and describe how he prevents that from interfering with the performance of his job, which necessarily involves elevated authority over other people, of various races, creeds, and cultures.

The floor is yours, sheriff.

-Steve

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by camelll

But thank god we have rights and lawyers to defend us from people of that mentality...

I'm supremely appreciative of the rights. The lawyers are a mixed bag. (Mercenaries in the cause of justice.)

I highly approve of the lowercase 'g'.

-Steve

[jamal1984]

Originally Posted by eht13

I wonder about this one. I'm in Georgia too, and I know our laws have a tint limit. But I see cars all the time that almost definitely exceed the tint limit. I assume they can pull someone over for just that reason, but maybe not... maybe there has to be another reason, such as speeding, and then they can also say, "by the way, I need to test this tint percentage". Did you (the OP) get stopped for any other reason, or just the eyelids/headlight decals?

just the eyelids, nothing else.

[sqcomp]

Oh GTFO... You are absolutely correct, I shouldn't criticize the lack of grammar.

You can't defend your position with search and seizure so you're switching up.

All you can do is gripe about how you got pulled over for breaking the law. Keep on...let's hear the arguments on how it is wrong to stop someone for breaking the law.

If you don't like the law...change it. Vote the change in. You give the legal parameter and it will be enforced.

...as for the profiling issue...

when I was doing my old LP job, guess who stole the most? ...15 to 24 year old white females...

Who are most of the people that are dealt with now? White male meth users ranging from the early twenties to mid fourties.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Oh GTFO... You are absolutely correct, I shouldn't criticize the lack of grammar.

You can't defend your position with search and seizure so you're switching up.

Acksherley, it was not the OP who "switched up", it was me. And I'm not bitching about his position, or yours, just the language.....

Do try to keep up.

[sqcomp]

and? Are we going to get to the fault of the officer here? Oh wait! There isn't.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

and? Are we going to get to the fault of the officer here? Oh wait! There isn't.

No-one, least of all the OP, said there was. Read the first post again - Jamal was laughing at the situation, and probably still is.

[cali yaris]

I didn't read this whole thing. Don't the eyelids cover up the turn signals, or make them less easy to see for oncoming cars?

They do on the liftback.

[Gideon]

lol, like no one here has never done anything illegal or broken a law ever. If I get pulled over for speeding, sure that's a law I've broken, and officer has caught me and I'll probably go to court and pay it (requesting traffic school of course) but if an officer asks me if they can search my vehicle it's been NO every time.

I cooperate with law enforcement officers only to the point that I am legally required. It's within my rights as provided to me by the United States Constitution and interpreted by the United States Supreme Court.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Oh GTFO... You are absolutely correct, I shouldn't criticize the lack of grammar.

To the extent that it matters, you're not exactly in a position to criticize there. Yours is not the best. I do agree with Sail that your slur was inappropriate. And I will add, "in poor taste".

You can't defend your position with search and seizure so you're switching up.

I've defended it pretty well, but you are attacking other people. Why not attack *my* position, with facts, instead?

All you can do is gripe about how you got pulled over for breaking the law. Keep on...let's hear the arguments on how it is wrong to stop someone for breaking the law.

Jamal has had very little to say beyond reporting the incident. And at best "you" have him on a ridiculous technicality.

I got pulled over for a completely bogus and contrived reason. My tag was perfectly fine. And the fellow who did it knew very well that it was a bogus and contrived reason. (If you doubt that, we can discuss the facts further.) The real reason being that I was a male traveling alone. You can't reasonably defend that policy.

-Steve

[SailDesign]

This looks like a good place to close this one. No-one has started name-calling yet, and the initial point has been lost long ago.
Mods?

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

This looks like a good place to close this one.

I disagree. Internet discussions should be about more than "Oh! That's cool!" and "Yes! I so agree with you!" and "Me too!".

These forums should foster interesting discussion. And *disagreement*. Disagreement is so *very* important.

I remember a greeting card I once saw in a gift shop. It had a sort of middle-aged, "average" looking guy sitting on a cloud, with wings, and a halo, and a harp sitting next to him. Chin on hand. Looking really bored. And the caption was "Hmmm.... I shoulda brought a magazine..."

That's what heavily moderated boards are like. Have a little faith in people's ability to save a thread that looks like it might be in trouble. Sometimes they crash, and sometimes they soar, in my experience, and in forums which let them. Don't vote to kill it at the first sign of trouble. That forces people to take some responsibility for it.

Disagreement is good. It's when we all agree the we should have a profound sense of worry.

-Steve

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

I disagree.

<snip>

Disagreement is good. It's when we all agree the we should have a profound sense of worry.

There you have it - I disagree (which is good) about the closure

Some threads you just KNOW are going to turn into a flame-fest. Especially when someone has already played the grammar card.....

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

Some threads you just KNOW are going to turn into a flame-fest.

Do they *have* to? Or do we have a choice as to the kind of thread we want? Not just you and me. But all the members of YW?

Especially when someone has already played the grammar card.....

Yeah. And I played mine. But reasonable discussion could continue. It just depends upon what people want.

Back in the 60s, my mom used to hound and hound upon me to get out of bed, get ready, and go to school. I started learning responsibility when she stopped.

-Steve

[SailDesign]

OK - I'll just say that MY participation has run its course.
Have fun - play nicely.