Fuel Economy

[swng]

I was getting 34-37MPG when I first got mine but it slowly got better as I put more miles on.

Seems to be a common trend:smile:.

[ChinoCharles]

308.46 miles
7.365 gallons
41.9 MPG
95% city driving
Shell 87

[glxBoSS]

Wow... Impressive, maybe I'll get up to them numbers once I break my lil car in Charles.:thumbsup:

[ChinoCharles]

I'm impressed myself. That is a 10 MPG increase from the first tank I logged on the car. I took on some driving techniques straight from the hypermilers and its working well for me. I'm not turning the car off while moving or anything. I'm smarter than that. What I am finding is that you can shift at 1500-2000 RPM in this car all day without having to use too much gas to compensate. As most of my driving is done in 35-45 MPH zones chocked full of stop signs, I find that when accellerating from a stop it is beneficial to give each gear until about 2000 RPM and shift. That puts you in second at 10 MPH, third at 20 MPH, fourth at 30 MPH, and fifth at 40 MPH. On my next tank I am aiming for 45 MPG. I have a couple mods on the way that may help me even further in my newfound quest to stick it to the Saudis. Stay tuned.

[Nigal]

I remember hearing that BMW did a study to determine at what RPM gets the best MPG and they found that shifting below rpm gets better than higher rpms. This last tank full I simply cut my speed by 10 mph; 65 from 75 on four lanes and 55 from 65 on two lanes. As of last night I had 300 and it just fell below the half tank mark. I drive a rout for work so it's the same every day. The strangest thing is that I still arrive at my destination at almost the exact same time as when I speed. I'll report back when I do my fill up and report my mileage.

[Racer X-8]

... The strangest thing is that I still arrive at my destination at almost the exact same time as when I speed. ...Not so strange, for 2 reasons:

If you pass thru a series of traffic lights, they could be programmed and will stop you if you're over the speed limit. I could bore you with a long story about me versus a Greyhound bus that was in a hurry late one night,,, just believe it. :laugh:
10 miles @ 55mph = 10 minutes, 55 seconds. 10 miles @ 80mph = 7 minutes, 30 seconds. The 10 mile difference = 3 minutes, 25 seconds. Using "you" generically---> Now you have to ask yourself "Is 3-1/2 minutes worth it?" The answer to that should almost always be "NO". Heck, a visit to the restroom would use-up all of that. If you're late to get to work, would 3-1/2 minutes really matter that much? How about you leave home on-time and not try to make it up by driving dangerously. <--- Using "you" generically.

[ojo]

I've had my Yaris for a little over a month, and I have to say that I am very happy with my mileage so far. :thumbsup: I got 34.5 mpg on the first tank and have gotten 35-37 since then. I drive 35 miles one way to work and drive about 70-75 mph. I definitely notice a difference in mileage when I floor it at a green light, but when I accelerate more smoothly and gradually, I can keep good mileage while still driving semi-aggressively.

[Nigal]

Not so strange, for 2 reasons:

If you pass thru a series of traffic lights, they could be programmed and will stop you if you're over the speed limit. I could bore you with a long story about me versus a Greyhound bus that was in a hurry late one night,,, just believe it. :laugh:
10 miles @ 55mph = 10 minutes, 55 seconds. 10 miles @ 80mph = 7 minutes, 30 seconds. The 10 mile difference = 3 minutes, 25 seconds. Using "you" generically---> Now you have to ask yourself "Is 3-1/2 minutes worth it?" The answer to that should almost always be "NO". Heck, a visit to the restroom would use-up all of that. If you're late to get to work, would 3-1/2 minutes really matter that much? How about you leave home on-time and not try to make it up by driving dangerously. <--- Using "you" generically.

[whine] Math is hard and stuff...:frown: LOL!

I've been trying to leave home about 5-10 minutes early to make the difference. One of the best things about driving slower is that I don't end up stuck behind the damn soccer moms in minivans going 65 in the fast lane.

[swng]

[whine] Math is hard and stuff...:frown: LOL!

I've been trying to leave home about 5-10 minutes early to make the difference. One of the best things about driving slower is that I don't end up stuck behind the damn soccer moms in minivans going 65 in the fast lane.

Very sensible friend!
BTW, I would take the opportunity and sidetrack a bit to mention that one of the safe ways to save fuel is not to follow the car in front too closely (aka tailgating). Whilst taking advantage of the draft created by the car in front is good when everything is on the move, tailgating, especially in city driving conditions, will usually result in a need to brake repeatedly and abruptly, and will prevent the use of good anticipatory driving techniques. Such are hardly good for fuel economy.

[leowhy]

Very sensible friend!
BTW, I would take the opportunity and sidetrack a bit to mention that one of the safe ways to save fuel is not to follow the car in front too closely (aka tailgating). Whilst taking advantage of the draft created by the car in front is good when everything is on the move, tailgating, especially in city driving conditions, will usually result in a need to brake repeatedly and abruptly, and will prevent the use of good anticipatory driving techniques. Such are hardly good for fuel economy.

unfortunately that is not possible in where i live... the traffic here is bumper to bumper situation... :cry:

[Nigal]

i don't draft. With my attention span and the weakness of the body panels in this car I'd end up with a 1.5 liter engine in my lap with my legs cureled around it.

I did fill up yesterday and with the new slower driving I've been doing I got like 42.4 mpg. I got the stock tires pumped up to 44 psi now and will see what kind of difference it makes if any.

[BailOut]

The world was out to kill my FE on this tank (colder temps, rain, snow, high winds, etc.), and the wife put 75 miles of errands on it while we're caring for a family dog in another part of town, but I managed to salvage 49.463 MPG out of it.

[swng]

unfortunately that is not possible in where i live... the traffic here is bumper to bumper situation... :cry:
IMHO, when the traffic is very slow, it is OK to follow the car in front closer. So in your situation, it may not necessarily mean that you have been tailgating. There is always a need to give yourself at least two seconds to react to whatever that may happen suddenly though (such as the car in front braking abruptly). Incidentally, doing this may also boost your FE slightly.
Safe and happy motoring!

[swng]

i don't draft. With my attention span and the weakness of the body panels in this car I'd end up with a 1.5 liter engine in my lap with my legs cureled around it.

I did fill up yesterday and with the new slower driving I've been doing I got like 42.4 mpg. I got the stock tires pumped up to 44 psi now and will see what kind of difference it makes if any.



Nice to learn about that. The mpg numbers are good and apparently already better than EPA ratings (http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/overall-high.htm ) granted that it has basically been day to day driving that has helped achieve them. Thumbs up!
On the other hand, over pumping the tires may result in the treads in the middle wearing faster. I do not know how far the tires have to be over inflated for this to occur. Intuitively, I think the tires will have to be significantly over inflated for any uneven tread wear to become noticeable in a short span of time. I can be wrong. Anyway, if uneven tread wear does occur, then there may be a need to weigh between the cost of the fuel saved and the cost of the tires to the extent that they may need to be replaced prematurely in order to be safe.
Any input will be most welcome.
Safe and happy motoring!

[leowhy]

IMHO, when the traffic is very slow, it is OK to follow the car in front closer. So in your situation, it may not necessarily mean that you have been tailgating. There is always a need to give yourself at least two seconds to react to whatever that may happen suddenly though (such as the car in front braking abruptly). Incidentally, doing this may also boost your FE slightly.
Safe and happy motoring!

that is what i've been doing... :)

the frustrating part is, many other road user just utilise the "gap" i leave for me & CUT IN!!! :evil:

in the end... its E_brake + accelerate time again... :cry:

[swng]

Same happens to me leowhy. I know how you feel. By and by, I have learned even to anticipate what that kind of drivers will do and avoid situations that would necessitate wasting too much fuel to match their movements. There is always a limit as to what one can do anyway:frown:. The bottom line is when forced to choose between safety and FE, we should always choose safety.
Thanks for the response again.

[swng]

Filled up on 2 Jun 07 and the result was:

About 563 km traveled. Consumed 38.096 liters of fuel and used C$42.82 to fill back up.
Approximately 41.76 mpg (Imperial), or about 34.76 mpg (US), or 14.78 km per liter, or 6.77 liters per 100 km. I occasionally carried three passengers with their belongings, and the A/C was used about half of the time. Weather was good but warm. Driving style was - keep pace with traffic and be fuel economy conscious. No exotic measure used to save extra fuel. Other conditions similar to last report quoted i.e. Post #1201 at P.81.

This time, I used this free calculator (except for mpg (US)) which also contains a pageful of usual fuel saving tips:

http://www.vehicleservice.co.za/calc/fuel.html

For the mpg number in US gallon terms, I used the calculator provided free here:

http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/264

Latest tank's result:
About 38 mpg (Imp), or 31.69 mpg (US) or 13.47 km per liter.
The car was driven by my brother most of the time. I am not surprised by the drop in mpg considering the people and golf clubs he carries.
I am glad that the result is still above the EPA average.
Last report at Post #1246.

[keesue]

I'm now getting 40 mpg consistently at 70 mph max speed - up from 36.5. I have 9,100 miles on the car and its an Automatic. It is used predominately as a commute vehicle with 65 mph average speeds on the freeway - some hills with a bit of city on both ends. The car is all stock - no changes. I'm considering running Royal Purple 5w-20w. Also considering a CAI to open up the throat. In every car I have owned, these two things were the single most noticable improvement in fuel efficiency - as long as the right foot didn't cancel it out. (A free-flowing exhaust also helped but I don't want the noise in this one).

I have read the threads posted herein on the subject of fuel gains with a CAI and there appears to be no agreement. I'm wondering if there is a cancelation affect as the ECU adjusts the fuel and air ratio thereby making the gain in hp/torque that does not necesarily translate into better mpg. I would think that efficiency gain would result in mpg gains. I'm not sure about this as my past cars were not controlled by computer. I think I need to delve into this a bit more. I would expect a modest increase but would need to know a number to justify the ROI. Having said that, its time to lower the car. This, of course, would be sans ROI - just looks...heh.

[uncleyaris]

I just filled up cause gas price went down, I was at 498.9km - 28.58 litres = 49.33mpg, or 5.73litres/100km, thats smoking!

[BailOut]

Good job, uncleyaris! Stay with it and you just may become only the second person ever to break 50 MPG with the Yaris. :smile:

[uncleyaris]

:thumbsup:

[marcus]

1st tank 540km with 39.8l fill up = 38.34mi/gal with regular 87 octane
2nd tank ran 535km fill up 38.4l = 39.37mi/gal with premium 89 octane
3rd tank 540km 37.5l fill up=40.69mi/gal with premium 89 octane
4th tank 570km premium fill up @38.00 liters =42.40 m/gal -15km/liter 89 octane
5th tank went to regular gas..48.2 liters ran 711 km 40% hwy (had to add 10 liters in between), calculated about 6.7l /100km,,41.68m/gal ... i was expecting about 6.0 l/100,,,atleast...

[BailOut]

I had a lot of extra city driving on this tank and several slow-as-molasses commutes over the mountain due to the construction and tourist seasons being in full swing, but I managed 518.6 miles on 10.362 gallons for 50.048 MPG.

[swng]

:clap:

[swng]

Last tank covered 500.2 km. Refilled with 36.113 liters. That means 39.147 mpg (Imperial), or 32.58 mpg (US), or 7.219 liters per 100 km, or 13.85 km per liter. Most of the time, the car was driven by my brother with one passenger (sometimes two) and some golf clubs. Not many further details.
Last report in Post #1267.

[bnther36]

As of tomorrow I have had my Yaris for a whole week!:smile:

Filled it back up this morning; it took 9.489 gallons for 402.1 miles to give me 42.375 mpg. This week was about 75/25 hwy/city driving with a day or two running A/C. Not too shabby for completely stock and just under 1000 miles.

I'm sure that there is an oil owner somewhere hating on me:evil: :evil: :evil:

[swng]

Just had a trip within city areas. I enjoyed surfing the green to save fuel.
This is not a new technique but I find it very practical and addictive. Usually, long before I approach the traffic lights, I estimate in mind how long the red/yellow/green lights are going to last. Then, I look around to know the traffic situation and adjust my speed (within high and low legal/common sense limits) so that I can drive past one green light after another. It's almost an art in addition to being an interesting game. I would name it my favorite fuel saving technique.
Among the many techniques, what is your favorite one to save fuel?

[BailOut]

Among the many techniques, what is your favorite one to save fuel?
As I approach my subdivision I enter a FAS (Forced Auto Stop - coasting with the engine off) over a half mile out, then stay in the FAS as I turn 90 degrees right into the subdivision, immediately turn 90 degrees left, followed by an immediate 90 degrees right into my culdesac.

At this point I have the garage door remote in my hand and I stick it way up high, out of the window, to get a signal over the hoods of the many trucks my neighbor has out front.

I then continue coasting to the rear of the culdesac and 90 degrees right and up the driveway and into my garage.

In other words it's a quick-turning, half-mile stealth run from the main feeder road right into my garage. :headbang:

[swng]

:laughabove: What a stunt! Too difficult for me but very interesting. Anyway, I also press my garage door remote button well in advance so that I can drive through without having to stop to wait for the door to open:smile:!
Come-on ladies and gentlemen! What are your favorite fuel saving techniques?

[marcus]

best fuel saving is not to use a car...im thinkin of riding my BM....................
BMX orcourse...

[swng]

:laugh::biggrin: Give me more!

[Nigal]

As I approach my subdivision I enter a FAS (Forced Auto Stop - coasting with the engine off) over a half mile out, then stay in the FAS as I turn 90 degrees right into the subdivision, immediately turn 90 degrees left, followed by an immediate 90 degrees right into my culdesac.

At this point I have the garage door remote in my hand and I stick it way up high, out of the window, to get a signal over the hoods of the many trucks my neighbor has out front.

I then continue coasting to the rear of the culdesac and 90 degrees right and up the driveway and into my garage.

In other words it's a quick-turning, half-mile stealth run from the main feeder road right into my garage. :headbang:

Didn't robin Williams do the same thing with his kids in The World According to Garp? LOL!

[ChinoCharles]

I like to keep my momentum going around turns. :wink: I'm liking the TRD suspension a lot, but I want more.

[swng]

I like to keep my momentum going around turns. :wink: I'm liking the TRD suspension a lot, but I want more.
A good one:w00t:! I do the same as far as the traffic allows. I really like the fun element inside this technique.

[adamschneider]

Just filled up my new Yaris for the first time and got 36.8 MPG, which I guess is well within the expected range. It was a mix of highway and city driving -- mostly highway, although that included a trip over the Coast Range and back.

[swng]

Just filled up my new Yaris for the first time and got 36.8 MPG, which I guess is well within the expected range. It was a mix of highway and city driving -- mostly highway, although that included a trip over the Coast Range and back.
No, your result is not within the expected range, because you are doing a little too well. If you don't believe, see this: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=22749

[Disturb3dMind3d]

lol just filled up my car today for the first time and right before I filled up I was at 335 miles which brings me to around 30+ mpg...

I was sweating in my car once I saw the last gas bar blinking trying to look for a chevron.

[argylesocks]

Good job, uncleyaris! Stay with it and you just may become only the second person ever to break 50 MPG with the Yaris. :smile:

wow! just looking at your gas records and sawthat you just got 50mpg. thats insane!! very good job. i just hit a new record with 45.04mpg. guess i got some work to do :)

[marcus]

dont swweat it.. last bar should run you from 50km to 80 km max.....depends on your driving habit.

lol just filled up my car today for the first time and right before I filled up I was at 335 miles which brings me to around 30+ mpg...

I was sweating in my car once I saw the last gas bar blinking trying to look for a chevron.

[adamschneider]

No, your result is not within the expected range, because you are doing a little too well. If you don't believe, see this: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=22749
Well, the "range" I was talking about was people's real-world experiences -- not the bizarre EPA estimates. :smile:

[adamschneider]

dont swweat it.. last bar should run you from 50km to 80 km max.....depends on your driving habit.
Yesterday I experienced the flashing single bar for the first time. I finally filled up about 10 miles after it started flashing, and I put almost exactly 10 gallons in. So I guess that means it starts flashing when you've got about 1.3 gallons left?

[marcus]

yah i drive for 2 days with the last bar blinkin!

[swng]

Well, the "range" I was talking about was people's real-world experiences -- not the bizarre EPA estimates. :smile:
Noted. Thanks!
Enjoy your stay in this thread!

[Shroomster]

filled up today and my wife got 29.44 mpg

[Disturb3dMind3d]

First tank? and what are her driving conditions? ac on all the time? current mileage of car?

[flighttekchris]

we have about 4500 miles on ours, run the A/C all the time:(. we always get about 35 MPG around town, but it far better then our Dodge Caravan that gets about 20 MPG on a good day

[foober]

I'm getting some really good gas milage lately. Over 40 miles to the gallon. I've been using this Lucas gas treatment stuff for 2 months and its either that or my car is breaking in really well at over 8,000 miles.

I've always had at about 38 miles to the gallon since I bought my car 1.3 years ago. But I've noticed the gas milage has gotten better lately. Supposedly summer driving you get better gas milage.

[tapuleo]

I'm so happy to have just gotten 36.8, all in-town driving. Woohoo! My last car, an '04 Honda Accord V6 6-speed manual could only get about 26 if I drove it like a grandma. But, that thing is a freakin' rocket (260hp) compared to my Yaris, but hey, I'd rather get the gas mileage.

I can't wait to get 'er on the highway for a full tank and see how good I can get.

[uncleyaris]

last tank 49.6 mpg, i gotta crack the 50mpg. I'm looking good to do so this tank. Gonna be using the air soon cause the forcast calls for hot/humid next week. I fill up tommorow and let ya's know!!

[tapuleo]

Holy crap! Were you coasting downhill the entire way?

[Shroomster]

we live in orlando, there is literally a traffic light every block and 3 out of 5 are red. constant stop and go, and its mostly flat, and yes she uses a/c. 29.44 is good for driving in this city. hell my civic (2001 sedan) gets 28 mpg consistently.

[BailOut]

560.2 miles on 11.044 gallons = 50.724 MPG.

[Black Yaris]

you do realize it is bad for your fuel pump to drive with les than a 1/4 of a tank... the fuel actually keeps your pump cool excpecially in the hot summer months it will over heat the fuel pump reducing the life of the pump.

[BailOut]

I hear you, Black Yaris, even though this subject is a highly debatable one. I was just playing around with it, seeing how far I could push it. I could have actually gone another 15 miles or so before running out of gas, but I don't plan to make a habit of letting the tank level get this low.

This range information will come in handy when the zombies attack and we have to evacuate, though. :wink:

[eTiMaGo]

heck if I saw 560 Kilometers on my instrument panel when I fuel up I'd be happy... biggrin:

[swng]

heck if I saw 560 Kilometers on my instrument panel when I fuel up I'd be happy... biggrin:
I can sometimes see 560+ km when I refill my tank, if I so wish. However, I have to go asap to a gas station when the ever fluctuating gas prices move to the low side:wink:. Just can't wait until the odometer exceeds 560 km sometimes:frown:.

Edited to show latest position: Just checked. Trip odometer is at 565 km and the fuel gauge still has two bars remaining. I know that one bar is going to disappear very very soon.
This is going to be one of my better tanks.

[Jerzidude]

1200 miles on my '07 liftback - 32MPG city - but i have fun with it... my '95 4runner gets like 12MPG the way i drive.. lol

[swng]

Follow up to my last mpg report in Post #1275:

My latest tank:

Fuel Cost
$42.26

Distance travelled
566.5 km
352.02 miles

Fuel Amount
38 litres
10.04 US gallons
8.36 Imperial gallons
Cost of Fuel
$1.11 per litre
$4.21 per US gallon
$5.06 per Imperial gallon

Fuel Economy
6.71
litres per 100 km
35.06
miles per US gallon
42.11
miles per Imperial gallon

Mileage Costs
7.4598
¢ents per km
12
¢ents per mile

Car driven by my wife and me. Just serviced. Load was two people plus some belongings most of the time. City/highway ratio was about 30/70. However, traffic was busy in the period even on highways. Driving style was moderate.
Must be one of my better tanks:smile:.

[Jerzidude]

how many miles on your car? i dont think mines broken in yet.... 1200 miles on it. Does it get better? i'd like to see 40mpg. Mines an Auto trans....I know that dont help... When that "cool" lite goes off Im on the pedal! lol i cant help it..! surprised i havent got caught speeding... its 2 easy to do...!

[Sway84]

460km on a 33 dollar fill up and i play around with it, and i still have just downed to 3 bars...anyone notice an increase now that they have a CAI? or iseverryone still enjoyin the sound it makes?

[swng]

how many miles on your car? i dont think mines broken in yet.... 1200 miles on it. Does it get better? i'd like to see 40mpg. Mines an Auto trans....I know that dont help... When that "cool" lite goes off Im on the pedal! lol i cant help it..! surprised i havent got caught speeding... its 2 easy to do...!

Thanks for your interest in F.E. I have about 16,000 km (approx. 10,000 miles) on my car. It is also an auto model. IMHO your mpg will likely improve gradually. Yet, for the Yaris to achieve 40+ mpg (US), a lot of favorable conditions, e.g. non-stop highway driving, will be needed apart from the driver having to be very F.E. conscious. There are numerous fuel saving tips posted on this forum. I hope you will find and enjoy them.

For your information, I like to apply practical fuel saving methods when I drive, many of which I have mentioned/quoted/linked in my prior posts in this thread which I hope to dedicate to fuel economy in general. However, because my wife drives half of the time, the reported mpg numbers are not completely something of my own making. I do not modify my car extensively or use unusual techniques to save fuel. I would always like to know about any fuel saving methods though, exotic or otherwise, and I respect those who boldly go where no one has gone before. There are, however, legal, practical, economical, insurance, warranty and most importantly of all, safety concerns that prevent me from applying some of those techniques.

To add fun, I would like to suggest a weird way to save fuel - pick up a passenger/hitchhiker before you go down a long and smooth slope so that his/her body weight can help you gain speed, and hence momentum, as you go. To maximize the effect, both of you should ideally not use the toilet before the car enters the downhill slope. When you reach level land and as you exhaust the car's momentum, politely ask him/her to leave your car and switch to another one. This method should prove handy if you live up a mountain but have to go downhill often or vice versa. I am sure no one has mentioned this method here before. Do this at your own risk and note that the effect is not guaranteed:laugh: :biggrin:. Also, any funny F.E. suggestions are welcome here temporarily until further notice. Don't forget to include a disclaimer LOL!

Have a good time whilst enjoying this thread!

[palsan]

you do realize it is bad for your fuel pump to drive with les than a 1/4 of a tank...

It must be another hypermiling technique ... less fuel in the tank = less weight = better FE :biggrin:

Reminds me of the 1934 Mercedes "silver arrows" ... the F1 team stipped the white paint off the car in order to meet the weight limit for the first race of the season (the car with paint was 751Kg, the limit was 750Kg).

Lucky the yaris paint is already almost non-existant so hypermilers don't have to go through the trouble of removing it.:laughabove:

[eTiMaGo]

hmmm I think my previous calculations were a bit wrong, I thought I had 31.5MPG but it was more like 25...
Anyway refuelled today, got 24MPG.. trying 95 RON ethanol mix for a change, it is also cheaper...

[hystria]

It must be another hypermiling technique ... less fuel in the tank = less weight = better FE :biggrin:

Reminds me of the 1934 Mercedes "silver arrows" ... the F1 team stipped the white paint off the car in order to meet the weight limit for the first race of the season (the car with paint was 751Kg, the limit was 750Kg).

Lucky the yaris paint is already almost non-existant so hypermilers don't have to go through the trouble of removing it.:laughabove:


your right about the Yaris paint, not sure however about the "lucky" consideration :biggrin:

having always at least half of the tank, will extend the life of the gas pump. this way, one could expect it to last the engine life time - 200000 miles or so. If the driver always waits until the gas tank gets empty, the gas pump could fail earlier and will had to be replaced. On the other hand, driving with less than half of the gas tank means 40 lbs less on the car's weight, thus fuel savings and better acceleration & handling :thumbsup:

[Jerzidude]

how true!! 5 bucks regular please... remember that?? where i live it cost 27 dollars to fill tha tank the tank from a flashing bar...which aint bad, but i might try it! lol

[Yaris_Fan]

Whoohoo 19.1MPG - 12L/100km :cry:

Warming up the engine properly, short trips and being stuck 2 and a half hours in a traffic jam certainly don't help... Gotta love this city :tongue:

Can't wait for my road trip for the holidays... that should give us better numbers!

My worst tank yet with 2,500 miles. Been averaging 28-29 mpg with 90% city. This tank = 24.5 mpg :frown:

[Nigal]

My worst tank yet with 2,500 miles. Been averaging 28-29 mpg with 90% city. This tank = 24.5 mpg :frown:

How new is it and how aggressive are you driving?

[Yaris_Fan]

How new is it and how aggressive are you driving?

It's 6 months old and had 1 GTX oil change.

I don't drive aggresive, but like I said at least 90% of my driving is short trips and often in city traffic.

Just surprised at this tank and the approx 4 mpg loss. :mad:

[Jerzidude]

Wow.. not good is that an auto trans?






http://img5.glowfoto.com/images/2007/06/26-1818593376T.gif

[BailOut]

Yaris_Fan,

I'm curious what your idea of "warming up the engine properly" is? The only two proper methods are a block heater or driving more lightly than usual until the low coolant temperature warning light goes away.

I hope you're not letting the vehicle just sit there while idling. Idling nets you exactly zero MPG and unnecessarily adds to your emissions footprint.

[steved]

Just got my yaris lift-back automatic, on June 8, and already filled up four times (do a lot of mileage), and averaging 37-40mpg US, not too aggressive driving and using the a/c sometimes. 80% highway - 20% traffic.

My first tank actually got 30 mpg, all I did to get to 37-40mpg was to fill the car right up to the rim. I've been doing this on my other car (Echo sedan) and been averaging 43-45mpg.

[adamschneider]

My first tank actually got 30 mpg, all I did to get to 37-40mpg was to fill the car right up to the rim. I've been doing this on my other car (Echo sedan) and been averaging 43-45mpg.
Why would filling the tank higher improve your mileage (unless you're really bad at math)??

[steved]

Why would filling the tank higher improve your mileage (unless you're really bad at math)??


I can't really tell you, but maybe because most people when they fill up there cars usually stop when it clicks. But after if clicks you can add another gallon approx. to the tank. So that extra gallon adds extra mileage.
What can I tell you, this works for me.

[adamschneider]

So that extra gallon adds extra mileage.
Umm, no. It adds miles to your "range": how far you can go on a tank. It does absolutely nothing to your miles PER gallon.

[ECHOKnight2000]

Lately I've been getting worse then I usually adverage. I usually adverage during this time of year (summer) mid to upper 40's. Sometimes 50mpg. But as of late I've been getting low 30's and some mid 30's:thumbdown: :cry:

I did get new tires so I'm guessing it might be that. They are 14inch Michellin Harmony tires? I heard they were good and they are. So I'm guessing since they are new and the tread is not worn it will affect my mileage but even when I take it easy and I usually do my mileage is suffering. I guess I have to give it time when the tires wear in a little more. I know with my last they were getting down there. Anyone have suggestions? Would new tires really effect mileage that much? I know it would but didn't expect that much of a decrease. They handle like a dream and the car is more confident in turns and on the road (still getting use to it) so I guess that's the trade off.

[BailOut]

I can't really tell you, but maybe because most people when they fill up there cars usually stop when it clicks. But after if clicks you can add another gallon approx. to the tank. So that extra gallon adds extra mileage.
What can I tell you, this works for me.
That does not increase your miles per gallon (MPG), but merely the number of miles you can travel on the tank (the range).

Additionally, the reason for the automatic shut-off at the pumps is to prevent both raw emissions and spillage. Bypassing that system is not helping your local environment one bit, and is illegal in many areas.

[Jerzidude]

That what i do Brian... drive slow til the light goes out. im an agressive driver. im seeing like 32mpg with 1400 miles on it... this will be my 4th tank - auto tranz n air on all the time... Paul

[Ah Yum]

My last five tanks between 90 to 100% city driving were:

17 MAY 5.0L/100km 46.7 MPG
21 MAY 5.3L/100km 43.9 MPG
01 JUN 4.9L/100km 47.0 MPG
13 JUN 5.3L/100km 43.8 MPG
27 JUN 5.1L/100km 45.5 MPG

Only BailOut achieves 50 or more MPG here, uncleyaris was referring to imperial miles, which equates to slightly over 40 MPG US. We Canadians still have a long way to catch up.

[marcus]

weird mine start blinkin at about 540 km.. once at 570 km...but i can never hit 600km b4 the blinkin starts!!!

[steved]

Oh and BailOut , i dont think cops will give you a ticket for fueling to the rim, after it clicks keep on pumping just check you level and slow down


Exactly what I do. The way BailOut was writing it was like I was letting the gas pour out everywhere. It happened once a cop was fueling up in front of me when I did it also. Maybe the laws are different in the USA.:iono:

[swng]

Same old F.E. tips from a different source:
http://news.en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/td/article.aspx?cp-documentid=917361
Enjoy!

[nsmitchell]

Just got back from my Richmond, VA to Point Pleasant, NJ trip.

Round trip I got 42.1MPG from Richmond to Middeltown Delaware (filled up at half tank 196 miles)

From there I went to Point Pleasant and back into Virginia at 396 miles. 43.7MPG on that tank! I take US-301 instead of I-95. Much better on my stress levels.

[MarkBen]

Over 42 a gallon... wow. I am still on the tank the dealer gave me, and hopefully will be for atleast a week, so I will see how my mpg is when I fill up. I have heard that the engine needs to 'break in' a bit before the true mileage becomes apparent, is that true?

[roxy84]

i am at 407.3 miles, still on the dealer tank. i still have 2 bars left, but i think the second to last bar is about to go. the tank has been 80% highway with very minimal a/c usage. much of the driving has been at 45-60 mph, so pretty optimal conditions for good mileage. i was SO worried that i would not get the same mileage i got with my 5 speed corolla, but it appears my fears are being put to rest quickly.

the only thing ive done is shift conservatively--at 12 mph-22 mph-32 mph-42 mph and accelerate gently. ill report back when i do a fill for an exact figure.

[nsmitchell]

Over 42 a gallon... wow. I am still on the tank the dealer gave me, and hopefully will be for atleast a week, so I will see how my mpg is when I fill up. I have heard that the engine needs to 'break in' a bit before the true mileage becomes apparent, is that true?
I'm just over 15K miles. Smooth as silk!

[petesimac]

Just got back from a trip to Florida (from Pittsburgh) and got anywhere from 43.5 to 46.3 mpg on 4 tanks of gas (currently on the last fill-up), with different terrains and different conditions (ac on some of the time, off some of the time), plus, the car was loaded with luggage, two adult sized people and one 11 year old. 95% of the ride was highway, but here and there with traffic jams and some city driving once I got to Atlanta and then Orlando, there was some city driving as well. I must say, I'm really happy. Now if I can only get the 34 mpg that they promise for city driving; my 1st tank with 95% city driving got me 30.4 mpg. I was a little disappointed with that, but I don't know how full the Toyota guys and gals filled the tank, so it might have been half a gallon or so shy of full -- that might have made a 3.6 mpg difference; we'll see.

[DreagonR]

Hello everyone... I just recently Drove from Toronto to Conneticut and since i had to drive on the i90 for around 490km i decide what better way to measure my MPG. Well it turns out i did 145.08 miles per 4.498 US gal.

145.08 miles / 4.498gal= 32.254 miles per gal.

17.02liters / 234.0km *100km= 7.274 liters per 100 kilometer.

Which is pretty bad considering Toyota advertises their fuel efficiency at
40mpg on highway.

By the way i have a Manual Hatchback, and yes i did have my AC on... so that should also take up a few MPG but i can't even get close to the 40mpg that Toyota Advertises. Even with the AC on that should only add around 10% of fuel consumption which would bring me up to 35.479MPG. still no where near their 40MPG advertise. I'm wondering if my car is defective??

I have Synthetic Oil in my engine and I recently checked my tire preasure... which is to manufactures recommendation.

this just confuses me too much...

my car has already been broken in... i have around 20 000 kilometer on it.
:(

[keesue]

10K miles and averaging 39 mpg. Wow....

[nsmitchell]

Hello everyone... I just recently Drove from Toronto to Conneticut and since i had to drive on the i90 for around 490km i decide what better way to measure my MPG. Well it turns out i did 145.08 miles per 4.498 US gal.

145.08 miles / 4.498gal= 32.254 miles per gal.

17.02liters / 234.0km *100km= 7.274 liters per 100 kilometer.

Which is pretty bad considering Toyota advertises their fuel efficiency at
40mpg on highway.

By the way i have a Manual Hatchback, and yes i did have my AC on... so that should also take up a few MPG but i can't even get close to the 40mpg that Toyota Advertises. Even with the AC on that should only add around 10% of fuel consumption which would bring me up to 35.479MPG. still no where near their 40MPG advertise. I'm wondering if my car is defective??

I have Synthetic Oil in my engine and I recently checked my tire preasure... which is to manufactures recommendation.

this just confuses me too much...

my car has already been broken in... i have around 20 000 kilometer on it.
:(

32MPG on the Highway? That sounds strange. On my recent trips I too had my AC on the whole time. What speeds were you going? I was following the speed limits. I also think an alignment check at the dealership may be needed. Get them to do it for free because of your poor mileage. It's worth a shot.

[roxy84]

ok, i ended up at 431.8 miles when the second to last bar disappeared. i filled up immediately. it took 10.169 gallons to fill (i thought it would take less gallons to fill when the last bar began to blink).

anyway, that put my mpg at 42.46. i will not complain. based on what many others have gotten, i expected this type of mileage on a mostly highway tank. however, i didnt think id get it on my first tank.

[BailOut]

I fueled up this morning after just 10 days (which tells you how much extra driving I've had to do lately - ugh). I've not had even one highway trip this tank to offset all of the errands and the extra commute.

424.2 miles on 8.431 gallons = 50.314 MPG

[marcus]

i been driving normal.. and im barely getting 14km/l most i did was 14.5 per liter.. thats about 6.9 l/100km. 5.5-6.9.. i should atleast be in between.. and my car has almost 5000 km on it. i dont get it..

[eTiMaGo]

i been driving normal.. and im barely getting 14km/l most i did was 14.5 per liter.. thats about 6.9 l/100km. 5.5-6.9.. i should atleast be in between.. and my car has almost 5000 km on it. i dont get it..

It's a lot to do with your driving distances, I think, maybe you are in the same situation as me.

Normally I have very short commutes (<5km), and the first bar on the gauge drops after 50km.

Right after my last fillup, I went on a much longer trip, almost 100km, and the first bar only dropped after about 75km.

I don't go on long drives like this very often, but if I did, I am sure the overall mileage would be a lot better!

[stuffy]

@dreagonr, i drove that same stretch last summer and averaged 45 mpg, with an average speed of 110km/h,

i think you've got some funny math at work there:
Well it turns out i did 145.08 miles per 4.498 US gal.
wtf? how did you arrive at these numbers?

best way to figure out mpg is to fill the tank, set the trip odomoter to 0,
refill the tank when it's empty, write down volume of fuel and odometer mileage,
divide distance by volume of fuel.

[marcus]

It's a lot to do with your driving distances, I think, maybe you are in the same situation as me.

Normally I have very short commutes (<5km), and the first bar on the gauge drops after 50km.

Right after my last fillup, I went on a much longer trip, almost 100km, and the first bar only dropped after about 75km.

I don't go on long drives like this very often, but if I did, I am sure the overall mileage would be a lot better!

well i live in town.. there may be some shorts trip going to friends house to work id say about 60% hwy.. my first bar actually goes to 120km..but still with that im barely hitting 600 down to empty.. last bar normally blinks at about 530-540 km.. hmmm i wonder...

[marcus]

heres mine.
1st tank 540km with 39.8l fill up = 38.34mi/gal with regular 87 octane
2nd tank ran 535km fill up 38.4l = 39.37mi/gal with premium 89 octane
3rd tank 540km 37.5l fill up=40.69mi/gal with premium 89 octane
4th tank 570km premium fill up @38.00 liters =42.40 m/gal -15km/liter 89 octane
5th tank went to regular gas..48.2 liters ran 711 km 40% hwy (had to add 10 liters in between), calculated about 6.7l /100km,,41.68m/gal ... i was expecting about 6.0 l/100,,,atleast...

but this is from different fuel calculation.. so now im confused...:iono:

im doing it by how much km run on the filled up fuel..ex. 550 fill up @ 38.5 l= 14.28 km/liter

[swng]

I am really pleased to see fellow members find F.E. an interesting subject. For everyone's convenience, I repost here some useful links which I think can help calculate our yaris' mpg:

http://www.roity.com/petrol/metcalc.html

http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transportation/tools/fuel-trip-calculator/fuel-calculator-input.cfm?attr=16

http://www.rockymountainmoggers.com/convert.html

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=calcMPG

http://www.vehicleservice.co.za/calc/fuel.html (refers to Imperial gallons)

http://www.sciencemadesimple.net/fuel_economy.php

http://www.hicloneqld.com/fuelcalculator.html (refers to Imperial gallons)

There is useful conversion assistance at the bottom of this page:

http://www.hicloneqld.com/data.htm (refers to Imperial gallons)

The above links do not represent an exhaustive list. Please post any links here if you find them safe and helpful:smile:. Edit: Also, use any of these links at your own risk.

Edit: Thanks to marcus, there is another one:http://www.accommodationz.co.nz/economycalculator.html (Post #1422 of this thread) Apparently it is for imperial gallons.

[Edd]

Doesn't the yaris have anything on an LCD screen that tells you the current average fuel consumption? I know some other cars in its class (swift) have that.
The problem is how would you accurately calculate it. From my experience, fuel gauges often stay near the top, then suddenly start dropping faster, so that's too innacurate. The only way I could see this working is if you took the SAME point on the scale, eg the 1/4 mark. Then you fill up with fuel and look at what the petrol bowser says in litres. Reset your trip meter and when the fuel gauge gets back down to that same 1/4 mark you know you have used up that x amount of litres you filled up with and you know how far you went from the trip meter.
Is that how you guys do it?

[Edd]

EDIT: Read this post AFTER the one below it, it's in response to that. :biggrin:

Thanks for that, can anyone in Aus confirm if you got a fuel consumption computer?

[swng]

Thanks Edd, for raising this point.
Some Yari in Australia and Europe may have an onboard computer (which I think is an alternative name for a gauge/meter showing some useful information including and not limited to e.g. average fuel consumption). However, as of now, Yaris models sold in North America are not equipped with trip computers that can show the fuel economy of the cars as they go. We who live in Canada and the United States have to calculate our cars' mpg numbers by ourselves. Alternatively, we can install an aftermarket gauge in the car to show us the relevant data. I do not have one so I am unable to describe in detail how those gauges may help in this respect. All I know is a couple of gauges available in the market are very useful.
To calculate the mpg numbers, I use one of the calculators available on the internet, the links to which are seen in Post #1350. The calculations are accurate but of course, errors may occur in one area or another during the self-help process. Yet, hopefully, in the long term, i.e., after a number of tanks and calculations, a reasonably accurate average number can be arrived at.
BTW, the methods of calculations/calculators that I have been talking about are not affected by the anomaly about the fuel guage graduation/indication you described.

[swng]

Thanks for that, can anyone in Aus confirm if you got a fuel consumption computer?
Sorry Edd, I accidentally deleted my reply to your Post #1351 in the course of editing. When it comes to computers, I am all thumbs. My reply now reappears as Post #1353. Also, I only said "may". I am not absolutely sure that Australian Yari have trip computers showing the cars' fuel consumption. It is very smart of you to ask for confirmation from other members.

[swng]

Re: Post #1352.
Sorry Edd! Just visited the websites of Toyota in Australia and Great Britain. Can't find hints about the availability of trip/onboard computers for the Yaris:redface:. Probably they are not offered.
Here are the sites:
http://www.toyota.com.au/yaris/
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/frame_start.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1800074844.118353 0832@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddlgiehhemcfngcfkmdfkidffk.0&sr=Mall&id=YA3_exp

May be our knowledgeable members can supply information on this subject.

[stuffy]

just achieved 41 mpg (us) on my latest tank, almost entirely highway driving, probably an average speed of 110 km/h.

[swng]

just achieved 41 mpg (us) on my latest tank, almost entirely highway driving, probably an average speed of 110 km/h.
That's not bad at all for normal driving:smile:! May be just a little too fast though:wink::tongue:!

[stuffy]

That's not bad at all for normal driving! May be just a little too fast though!

lol, yeah, i figure i could have done better if i'd kept it at 100,

but like you say, it was essentially normal driving, and a lot of it in heavy traffic (401 holiday weekend traffic)

[Nigal]

We had a cool couple days and I didn't use the AC much at all and ended up getting my highest combined mileage yet...43.3 MPG!

[keesue]

We had a cool couple days and I didn't use the AC much at all and ended up getting my highest combined mileage yet...43.3 MPG!

What's your average mph at cruise speed?

[Nigal]

What's your average mph at cruise speed?

I'm not sure because I drive about 40/60 city/hyway. The only time I had used it for a long trip where it was all hyway miles was three months after I bought it and I averaged 40mpg but that was with about 400 pounds of gear thrown in.

[Nigal]

:iono: guys cars r meant to be driven not pushed, i drive 110-120 and i still get great mileage, whats the point of buying a car if you will be driving it at 70 -90 on the highway, just buy a bus pass same experience. now dont get me wrong,to each his own , im not here to tell you how to drive, but i find some of you are taking this gas saving to an extreme. you buy a car for the conveinence , comfort and time saving , not to save on gas otherwise you would just need a bicycle , no gas used now thats a saving. That said enjoy your Yariss Echos and other awsome cars that dont guzzle that i think is enough also im not telling you to break speed limits and laws, just go with the flow. Thats my 2 cents (damn i wont have enough for the next fill up lol)

I'm not doing anything extreme really. I cut my driving back from 65-75 mph to 55-65 mph. I get on the interstate, set the cruise and just chill out. Because I'm not driving 75-80 mph I don't have to deal with soccer moms dragging ass in the fast lane and stressing out because people won't get out of my way. And the amount of time I lose by slowing down isn't even noticeable.

[stuffy]

for pete's sake

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guys cars r meant to be driven not pushed, i drive 110-120 and i still get great mileage, whats the point of buying a car if you will be driving it at 70 -90 on the highway, just buy a bus pass same experience. now dont get me wrong,to each his own , im not here to tell you how to drive, but i find some of you are taking this gas saving to an extreme. you buy a car for the conveinence , comfort and time saving , not to save on gas otherwise you would just need a bicycle , no gas used now thats a saving. That said enjoy your Yariss Echos and other awsome cars that dont guzzle that i think is enough also im not telling you to break speed limits and laws, just go with the flow. Thats my 2 cents (damn i wont have enough for the next fill up lol)


well, like you say, to each their own.

[keesue]

I'm not sure because I drive about 40/60 city/hyway. The only time I had used it for a long trip where it was all hyway miles was three months after I bought it and I averaged 40mpg but that was with about 400 pounds of gear thrown in.

Given that, you are getting stellar mileage!

I bought the Yaris for the fuel efficiency as my daily commute car (56 miles roundtrip @65 mph = 39.5 mpg). I wanted the fuel economy and to reduce my carbon footprint. I have a 2001 turbo volvo (S60-T5) as well as my old 1981 Turbo Volvo. The S60 gets 25 on the highway and 21-ish in the commute. The old '81 was getting 20 avergage in the commute but required premium fuel. I didn't want to put the miles on the '01 so enter the Yaris! The cost savings have been tremendous and the conservation is a big plus.

In another thread, there was a comment on conservation. It is funny to see a single person in a 2.5 ton SUV commuting to work gettting 13-15 mpg average. I know some of the newer models get closer to 20 but we are getting double that.

We will all face the prospect of dwindling resources, and I submit that it feels pretty good doing my part now. That's just my editorial two-cents worth. I still think the car is a blast to drive. :thumbup:

[petesimac]

This really cracked me up yesterday: I was watching The Goodbye Girl, a 1977 film, and in the film, one of the characters is describing a Subaru, saying that it gets 39 mpg hwy and 29 city! What!? Isn't it remarkable that 30 years ago, cars were getting essentially the same mpg that our Yaris gets now? You would think that in the passage of time that we would have figured out how to put together a car that gets 50+ mpg without having to resort to a hybrid engine. Unbelievable.

[BailOut]

This really cracked me up yesterday: I was watching The Goodbye Girl, a 1977 film, and in the film, one of the characters is describing a Subaru, saying that it gets 39 mpg hwy and 29 city! What!? Isn't it remarkable that 30 years ago, cars were getting essentially the same mpg that our Yaris gets now? You would think that in the passage of time that we would have figured out how to put together a car that gets 50+ mpg without having to resort to a hybrid engine. Unbelievable.

Pete,

Welcome to the CAFE debate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Average_Fuel_Economy)! Try not to get so pissed off at the AAMA that you feel the need to blow something up. :wink:

[marcus]

Pete,

Welcome to the CAFE debate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Average_Fuel_Economy)! Try not to get so pissed off at the AAMA that you feel the need to blow something up. :wink:

hey bailout you have to compensate for the subaru's engine back then.. 1977 its probably has a small engine 1.3l -1.6 its under 73hp .. it may be accurate that that cars gas mileage could be close to ours.. but its got no hp..its hp to weight ratio probably keeping that car on the slow side...just my thoughts but im sure others disagree....:headbang:

[stuffy]

i've heard people say that the fuel back then was more effecient and of better quality,

i have no idea if there is any merit to this theory, just throwing it out there.

[swng]

I think Marcus is right that our Yari are way more powerful than the 1977 Subaru, despite that the latter also enjoyed almost equally good fuel economy. In other words, if we compare engines back in circa 1977 with engines of today on an equal power output basis, today's engines should prove a lot better in terms of fuel economy.

In addition, I am not sure but chances are that though the 1977 Subaru enjoyed good fuel economy, it nevertheless did not have an ultra low emission engine and is therefore less environmentally friendly.

Also stuffy, though I am not absolutely sure, I believe as you indirectly suggested, fuel back in 1977 could probably produce more mpg, the main reason being the presence of lead content therein, which apart from anything else, like its effect on octane properties, is a lubricant(http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99615.htm). However, lead is not good for the environment. But that is another story.

[Nigal]

Plus factor in that a 1977 Subaru was, is, and always shall be a cheap piece of shit. LOL!

[hystria]

right, it's all about the engine size and HP because actual cars weight way more than 30 years ago. but despite more powerful engines, nobody makes full use of it since people almost never drive past 4000 rpm. give me a 80 hp Yaris with a more nervous engine - I'll be happier with it :smile:

[stuffy]

just achieved 41 mpg (us) on my latest tank, almost entirely highway driving, probably an average speed of 110 km/h.

something i just realized about this tank of gas was that it was premium 91 octane fuel, this is the first time i have used it and only did so because the station was almost out of gas and were offering premium at the same price as regular.

i was really surprised by getting 41 mpg because i made no real attempts at keeping my speed down and for big stretches of this trip i was probably going 120 km/h. before i crunched the numbers, i expected about 37 mpg.

i think i might try to fill up with 91 again and see how good it is around town.

i'll report back to my fellow fuel economy nerds.

[stuffy]

as i said before , cars that were made for 89 fuel dont burn the higher octane fully, therefore you kinda wasting your money and polluting. mind you your car will be awsome to drive , more pep it might even drop in revs, but all in all you wasting your moolah

well, i'm not sure i was wasting my money because the 91 was the same price as the 89, and it seems that my fuel economy was quite a bit better with the 91,
whether that's true and whether the added cost of the 91 would balance out the fuel savings, i'm not sure.

i know that there has been a lot of debate as to whether better fe is achieved with higher octane gas, and based on this one tank it seems to me like that might be the case,
so i'm going to waste about 3 bucks to conduct an experiment on another tank of 91.

[swng]

Latest tank since report in Post #1308:

Fuel Cost
$43

Distance travelled
587.8 km
365.26 miles

Fuel Amount
37.82 litres
9.99 US gallons
8.32 Imperial gallons
Cost of Fuel
$1.14 per litre
$4.3 per US gallon
$5.17 per Imperial gallon

Fuel Economy
6.43
litres per 100 km
36.55
miles per US gallon
43.9
miles per Imperial gallon

Mileage Costs
7.3154
¢ents per km
11.77
¢ents per mile

Comment: Mpg on the rise since a few tanks ago. Can be due to summer weather or my increased application of practical fuel saving techniques since the car was returned to me (NB: car has been driven by my brother for a while). See: http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/264? for historical chart.

[Merlinspop]

I haven't been too wrapped up checking my mileage, but so far during the first 2k of driving my Yaris, I've been very pleased. This fill up:

425.9 Miles
10.813 US Gal
39.388 MPG

Beats the crap out of the 15 mpg (barely) I got out of the Dodge Dakota I traded. Now I can afford to drive to work. Still don't wanna, but that's another problem I'm trying to solve in a similar manner. :biggrin:

[BailOut]

I fueled up this morning. 379.5 miles on 7.516 gallons = 50.492 US MPG

[leowhy]

I fueled up this morning. 379.5 miles on 7.516 gallons = 50.492 US MPG

wow... that's about 21.316 km/L...

very great Fuel Efficiency!!!!

[N9QGS]

I have the 2007 US model Yaris S with the 1.5, and I have gotten between 36 and 39 on most round the city some highway, on strict highway trips with one person I can get 42 to 43 mpg US. Im very please never gotten below 36 yet have over 29,700 miles.

[slvryaris]

Same here 30,000 miles and nothing below 36 mpg. Maybe if I could drop some weight it would increase :iono:

[stuffy]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/schmeep/chart.jpg

this chart has the lifetime fuel economy for my yaris, which is mostly city driven,
the low dips in the chart correspond with the winter time.

lifetime fuel economy of 33.4 mpg

90 day running average of 34.11 mpg.

[marcus]

men that looks pretty bad...i always thought our yaris average is beyond or atleast 40 m/gal.. even with city driving...what am i missing here???:iono:

[stuffy]

well, my fuel economy is not the best, but you have to remember that most of my driving is short city trips.
this is the least ideal situation for fuel economy, especially in the winter when the engine runs cold and never has a chance to really warm up.

i could make some changes for improved fuel economy, but i'm just not super-obsessed with it and on occasion i like to run through the gears a bit more quickly than the average hyper-miler.

i think my numbers are in line with the revised american fuel economy numbers for the yaris.

also, i share this car with my wife and she doesn't know what hyper-miling is. :0

[marcus]

nah its all good as long as i get 500 km on a tank im happy..:thumbup:

[marcus]

well, my fuel economy is not the best, but you have to remember that most of my driving is short city trips.
this is the least ideal situation for fuel economy, especially in the winter when the engine runs cold and never has a chance to really warm up.

i could make some changes for improved fuel economy, but i'm just not super-obsessed with it and on occasion i like to run through the gears a bit more quickly than the average hyper-miler.

i think my numbers are in line with the revised american fuel economy numbers for the yaris.

also, i share this car with my wife and she doesn't know what hyper-miling is. :0


by the way .. r u going to the meet tomorrow...markham city. warden and hwy 7 8ish p.m.:thumbup:

[stuffy]

no, i would go but i've got plans.

[roadrunner]

I am really pleased with my Yaris hatchback 5 sp mileage.............

90 Day Running Average: 48.43 MPG(US)

date miles gals price comments mpg
07/11/2007 241.7 4.756 2.859 No highway driving. 50.82
07/03/2007 284.7 5.905 2.859 No highway driving. 48.21
06/25/2007 344.4 7.103 2.899 No highway driving. 48.48
06/14/2007 376.2 8.105 2.939 50% Highway driving.46.41
06/01/2007 219.0 4.502 3.059 No highway driving. 48.64
05/24/2007 312.4 6.408 3.059 No highway driving. 48.75
05/11/2007 207.5 4.225 2.939 No highway driving. 49.11
05/04/2007 329.6 6.749 2.899 No highway driving. 48.83
04/23/2007 234.6 4.901 2.799 No highway driving. 47.86

[BailOut]

We have our second 50+ MPG member! Congratulations!

:w00t:

[petesimac]

Roadrunner, could you describe exactly what type of driving you're doing; are you hypermiling; how fast do you drive? Your numbers look suspiciously high. Why do you fill up after only a couple of hundred miles sometimes? Why, when you did 50% highway, was your mileage worse? How are you figuring your mileage? Just curious; not accusing you of anything. It's just that on a recent trip with my 5sp, going 60-65 mph the whole time on 99% highway, the best I could get was 46.5%, which was great, in my opinion. I just find it hard to believe that on a car that promises 34 mpg city, you are getting in the upper 40s to 50 mpg.

[stuffy]

i also find your numbers a bit hard to believe roadrunner, especially when most of it seems to be city driving.

[dallas]

Nice job on the chart, is that us gallon or imperial gallons? whats your litres per 100 km?



QUOTE=stuffy;109699]http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/schmeep/chart.jpg

this chart has the lifetime fuel economy for my yaris, which is mostly city driven,
the low dips in the chart correspond with the winter time.

lifetime fuel economy of 33.4 mpg

90 day running average of 34.11 mpg.[/QUOTE]

[Edd]

If there was a mistake, 50 MPG (Imp) ~= 42MPG (US)... Maybe he just ultralightened his car...

[eTiMaGo]

27MPG yesterday, got an extra 50km or so on the tank just by taking 2 much longer trips than usual :biggrin:

Also, I was using a 95 octane (equivalent to 91 RON in the US) ethanol mix fuel, which is quite a bit cheaper than pure 91, with no problems :smile:

[swng]

It is really that simple. Whoever paying attention to some simple rules will get some benefits in terms of fuel economy. The "simple rules" can be found in abundance in various places on this forum, including of course, this thread. The extent of the benefits may vary a lot though.
Come on fellow members! Enjoy fuel economy and you will find yourselves addicted to it!
:w00t:

[roadrunner]

Roadrunner, could you describe exactly what type of driving you're doing; are you hypermiling; how fast do you drive? Your numbers look suspiciously high. Why do you fill up after only a couple of hundred miles sometimes? Why, when you did 50% highway, was your mileage worse? How are you figuring your mileage? Just curious; not accusing you of anything. It's just that on a recent trip with my 5sp, going 60-65 mph the whole time on 99% highway, the best I could get was 46.5%, which was great, in my opinion. I just find it hard to believe that on a car that promises 34 mpg city, you are getting in the upper 40s to 50 mpg.

Most of the miles on my Yaris are to and from work. My commute is 18.5 miles each way with 26 stop signs or traffic lights. My route is mostly rolling streets, and my commute is usually not at rush hour, but after it. My max speed is about 55 going down a long hill, otherwise it is 50 mph.
I am a hypermiler over at GasSavers.com, and have learned alot of tips. I do use a Scanguage II, a wonderful product, and worth its price.
Yes, my Yaris thinks it is a hybrid, for the mileage goes down on the highway.
The reason for that is going 60 to 65 mph, my mileage suffers, and there is nothing I can do, other than slow down, which is dangerous at times.
I use my trip odometer to show me miles driven, and the fuel pump to show me how many gallons I purchased, the rest is simple math, that is computed on GasSavers.com in the garage. This is my Yaris in the garage.
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/193
There are many reasons for my high mileage, and having a great route to and from work is a large reason, and so is driving off hours. I never use EOC, not for me. :wink:

[swng]

I hope to encourage posting and reduce confusion by posting my humble views below.
Recently I see more hypermilers post on this thread, which is very welcome. However, very obviously people who just drive their cars without using hypermiling techniques cannot get the kind of mpg numbers that hypermilers get. But there is usually a price to pay in one area or another when a hypermiling technique is used. For example, IMHO, a simple technique of inflating the tires to the maximum allowable pressure will improve fuel economy but worsen the ride, and the uneven tire wear that could result may actually give rise to a need to replace the tires earlier than usual for the car to be safe. See:http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-tread-wear.htm. Sadly, frequent replacement of tires may not be good for the environment. Also, taking extraordinary measures to reduce vehicles weights may help. Yet many of the things that may be taken away from the car may have valid reasons to be there in the first place. Well, I guess I had better stop talking about such things as there is too much controversy:wink:.
I hope to see more fuel economy conscious Yaris drivers/admirers, including hypermilers, post their experience and thoughts here but at the same time, I hope readers of the thread i.e. you understand that hypermiling may not be for everyone. If you do not hypermile, may be getting, or slightly exceeding, EPA numbers in your daily driving should be something to feel happy about. Saving fuel without hypermiling still require techniques and one can find lots of hints and tips on this great forum. Needless to say, saving fuel is enjoyable, be that a result of hypermiling or otherwise:smile:.
From now on, when you come across a post (about fuel economy Of course) on this thread, it may be useful to first find out (from the contents and context of the post itself) if it is about normal day to day fuel economy or hypermiling in order to avoid confusing yourself.
In any case, I think it should be helpful to have some knowledge about hypermiling, however basic, in addition to general fuel economy. Whether to practice hypermiling is another matter. There are lots of information on the internet about hypermiling (http://www.google.ca/search?q=hypermiling&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a). Here are two examples that I would recommend for a cursory reading if you do not have the time and appetite for a lot more:
http://www.answers.com/topic/hypermiler?method=26&initiator=answertip:more
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/01/king_of_the_hypermilers.html
Happy posting everyone!

[petesimac]

That's great, Roadrunner; congrats on your excellent mpg!

I will say that I agree, somewhat, with Swng's last post; it might be helpful and clear up any possible confusion if those who are hypermiling post this fact when they state their mpgs.

[stuffy]

Nice job on the chart, is that us gallon or imperial gallons? whats your litres per 100 km?



hey dallas, the chart is from gassavers.org, which roadrunner mentioned and the gallons are in u.s. rather than imperial.

my lifetime fuel economy is about 7L/100km.

[tacsniper]

do you guys fill up when the last bar starts the flash or do you drive it a bit more?

[eTiMaGo]

you should really refill even before the bar starts flashing, as the fuel pump in the tank uses the gas for cooling. If you run very low on fuel, there is a chance of the pump overheating, which is certaibly not a good thing :wink:

[Pavel Olavich]

For more information on HyperMilling, check out these sites, which are dedicated to HyperMilling:

www.gassavers.org

www.CleanMPG.com

If one drives "normally" theyr Yaris, paying no attention to saving gas, but just driving "normally" one will get in the high 20's and low 30's mpg at best. But if you are mindful about driving for saving gas, one will easily get mid to high 40's for hwy driving, and at least high 30's for city.

[Silver Streak S]

My Yaris has 715 miles on it. I just fueled up today for the 2nd time. I calculated my fuel mileage to be 40.33 mpg around town (no highway driving at all). I drive 21 miles each way to work with avg. speed probably around 45 mph. I have approx 15 stops for traffic lights. I'm not hypermiling but I try to be conservative (no jackrabbit starts, etc.). I'm very pleased so far. Will my fuel mileage increase as my engine gets broken in?

[swng]

My Yaris has 715 miles on it. I just fueled up today for the 2nd time. I calculated my fuel mileage to be 40.33 mpg around town (no highway driving at all). I drive 21 miles each way to work with avg. speed probably around 45 mph. I have approx 15 stops for traffic lights. I'm not hypermiling but I try to be conservative (no jackrabbit starts, etc.). I'm very pleased so far. Will my fuel mileage increase as my engine gets broken in?
Good numbers!
Hopefully, you will get even better numbers as your car breaks in.
Although you are not hypermiling, you are paying attention not to waste fuel unnecessarily, if this is what you meant in your post. I think that is the main reason why you get reasonably good numbers. As I have been saying, anybody paying attention to F.E and fuel saving techniques will benefit to a degree.
Also, although you said you did not drive on highways, you did say that your average speed was around 45 mph, which I consider faster than the usual speeds we use in city traffic. So, it appears that you have not always been bothered by busy traffic. Also, you said that you drove about 21 miles each way to work, which should be considered a long but quite smooth, albeit non-highway trip. Although you mentioned that there were about 15 traffic light stops each way, you could have been using anticipatory techniques to avoid some traffic light stops some of the time, consciously or otherwise. I think all these contribute to the fact that your Yaris has returned more or less highway fuel economy.
Short trips and bumper to bumper traffic are very damaging to F.E.
I recommend this site to you. It is very practical:http://www.vehicleservice.co.za/calc/fuel.html. Unfortunately it appears that it uses Imperial gallons in its fuel calculator. However, the fuel saving tips in there are good. If you use them, you will not have to rely solely on the car's breaking in to bring you even better F.E.
Warm regards and safe and happy motoring:smile:!

[Silver Streak S]

Good numbers!
Hopefully, you will get even better numbers as your car breaks in.
Although you are not hypermiling, you are paying attention not to waste fuel unnecessarily, if this is what you meant in your post. I think that is the main reason why you get reasonably good numbers. As I have been saying, anybody paying attention to F.E and fuel saving techniques will benefit to a degree.
Also, although you said you did not drive on highways, you did say that your average speed was around 45 mph, which I consider faster than the usual speeds we use in city traffic. So, it appears that you have not always been bothered by busy traffic. Also, you said that you drove about 21 miles each way to work, which should be considered a long but quite smooth, albeit non-highway trip. Although you mentioned that there were about 15 traffic light stops each way, you could have been using anticipatory techniques to avoid some traffic light stops some of the time, consciously or otherwise. I think all these contribute to the fact that your Yaris has returned more or less highway fuel economy.
Short trips and bumper to bumper traffic are very damaging to F.E.
I recommend this site to you. It is very practical:http://www.vehicleservice.co.za/calc/fuel.html. Unfortunately it appears that it uses Imperial gallons in its fuel calculator. However, the fuel saving tips in there are good. If you use them, you will not have to rely solely on the car's breaking in to bring you even better F.E.
Warm regards and safe and happy motoring:smile:!



Swng,

Thanks for the feedback and the link to that web site. I kinda felt like I was more towards highway mileage based on my daily driving conditions. You confirmed my suspicion

[voodoo22]

Unfortunately the Yaris I purchased came with damaged paint, but I am getting a new one to replace this one. In the mean time I am very happy with my fuel consumption so far on this damaged Yaris.

I'm not going to get an accurate fuel mileage estimate with this car, because I'm not going to be keeping it long enough to fill up the tank when the dealer filled tank is empty.

I've got over 600km on the yaris now and still have 2 bars, I think it will be down to 1 soon, but still, if I had no gas I'm at 7 l/100km on a brand new car with:

The first 200km city driven with very little stop and go.
1 really slow 2 hour commute which usually takes 40-50 minutes A couple really slow hour plus commutes in the rain A little driving in Toronto downtown Use the a/c a little on one commute

I very, very rarely go over 100km/h and try to accelerate at a slow moderate rate, but this is still amazing to me. I only hope the car we get next week does as well.

I do try to shift into 3 or lower to coast to stops whenever possible, but I feel the gains here are very small on an automatic transmission. I also pumped the tires to 40psi to try and increase FE a little. I don't want to go much more than that as the tempreture can fluctuate greatly on the highway from 17 to 37 degrees from day to day and you can easily get a 10 degree fluctuation on a one way drive.

[jh3cuemd]

Yaris 3D 1.3.

I'm getting 60 Km/g (38 mpg) in city and 65 Km/g (40 mpg) in Highway.

I life in an city (Cuenca, Ecuador) which is at 2200 meters of the level of the sea.

I drive under regular conditions and roads, no modifications in my car, ocasionally use of the A/C, drive under 80 km/h in city and under 130 km/h in Highway, no special care in driving (like some strange technics I saw in last posts) (althoug I drive safe and responsably, and being a car lover myself I don't over rev the engine or abuse the brakes and clutch), regular oil change and care (only at Cuenca's Toyota Dealer Importadora Tomebamba which I think is the best), only premium fuel. The car is manual.

Before this car I had a Suzuki Alto 2003 (1.0L 67HP 16 VALVE), that car gave me an average of 75 Km/g (47 mpg) in city and highway, which I think it's truly great.

I think the mpg I'm getting with the Yaris are totally more than OK, I'm really happy with my car.

[bnther36]

The price of gas dipped down so I thought that I top off my tank even though it was only half empty. For 179.4 miles I used 4.004 gallons for a MPG of 44.8.:headbang: :headbang:

I just put synthetic in it and my tires are right at 40 psi. I'm slow to takeoff and utilizing DFCO where ever I can; other than that no special tricks!

It's kind of rough here in Michigan where the speed limit is 70 mph. It seems like I do so much better on the back roads where I can set the cruise at 55 mph. I want to bump the tires up to the 44 psi max and I'm considering blocking off some the space in the grill for better aerodynamics. I'm a little leary of shutting of the vehicle at any time where it is still moving. We're still taking this a little bit at a time.

It's an awesome little sedan at any rate.:smile:

[Nigal]

For some reason the mileage is always higher when you fill it when it gets half empty. I don't know if the last half a tank goes faster or what?

[roxy84]

im sure this has been discussed a million times, so heres one million and one. its difficult to get an accurate reading of mileage with barely a half tank used. the smaller the total mileage you are dividing in to, the easier it is for any variance in the fill to affect your outcome. the way you fill on that particular pump and the peculiar characteristics on that pump can really skew a small numerator (mileage total). i always get a chuckle when someone says "i got 50 mpg on my car. i went 50 miles after filling, then filled, and it took 1 gallon to refill."

while its not good to run your tank near empty too often, it is the best way to get the most accurate mileage reading on a given tank.

[petesimac]

Just got back from a trip to Florida (from Pittsburgh) and got anywhere from 43.5 to 46.3 mpg on 4 tanks of gas (currently on the last fill-up), with different terrains and different conditions (ac on some of the time, off some of the time), plus, the car was loaded with luggage, two adult sized people and one 11 year old. 95% of the ride was highway, but here and there with traffic jams and some city driving once I got to Atlanta and then Orlando, there was some city driving as well. I must say, I'm really happy. Now if I can only get the 34 mpg that they promise for city driving; my 1st tank with 95% city driving got me 30.4 mpg. I was a little disappointed with that, but I don't know how full the Toyota guys and gals filled the tank, so it might have been half a gallon or so shy of full -- that might have made a 3.6 mpg difference; we'll see.

Okay, on my last tank, on 60%city, 40% hwy, I got 38 mpg; I'm really happy about that reading. As I mentioned above, I was very impressed with my all-hwy mileage on my recent trip, getting as high as 46+ mpg, with a full load and 3 people. Very impressed.

[jdium]

I'm about 2500 miles into my car, and have been locked at 37 mpg. The only tank that was above that was 41 mpg, with my girlfriend driving. I don't understand that, as she drives my Yaris like her Prelude SH, so I would think the empeegees would drop, but not so. I even got the same mileage on a 700 mile trip cruising at 80 as I do with my daily 40 mile 60 mph commute...

Maybe I'll get a stick up my ass and try to get through a whole tank with my mind on the highest empeegee, but probably not...

[swng]

I'm about 2500 miles into my car, and have been locked at 37 mpg. The only tank that was above that was 41 mpg, with my girlfriend driving. I don't understand that, as she drives my Yaris like her Prelude SH, so I would think the empeegees would drop, but not so. I even got the same mileage on a 700 mile trip cruising at 80 as I do with my daily 40 mile 60 mph commute...

Maybe I'll get a stick up my ass and try to get through a whole tank with my mind on the highest empeegee, but probably not...

Be careful Mr. Attitude, fuel saving techniques are highly addictive:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:!
Nice initial numbers! Please do make further reports of your "empeegees" here.
Safe and happy motoring!

[swng]

Okay, on my last tank, on 60%city, 40% hwy, I got 38 mpg; I'm really happy about that reading. As I mentioned above, I was very impressed with my all-hwy mileage on my recent trip, getting as high as 46+ mpg, with a full load and 3 people. Very impressed.
Impressed and feel happy for you! Share more of your experience anytime!

[sherryberry]

Well, my first tank was at 35 MPG with all city driving. then the next tank was at 32 MPG and the only reason for that is because my bf was driving it going 90 down the highway and just accelerating like crazy. This past tank, I got a good 36MPG.. again, all city. I drove a little highway on this new tank so we'll see how I do.

[marcus]

youll do better if you dont let your bf drive it..hehehe just a thought!

[leowhy]

just a brief update:
my latest tracking... 14.39km/L, 60% highway, 40% city driving...

[adamschneider]

I just finished a tank that was about 34.5 MPG (US), but given that it's been hot and I've had the A/C running a lot -- plus it was mostly city driving -- I think that's not too bad.

[Thotprawsis]

Well here are my numbers so far. In the city I'm avg' 34mpg and on the highway I'm getting 43mpg. I'm just under 3000. I'm going in for my first oil change. I hope to gain a little more.

[Nigal]

Well here are my numbers so far. In the city I'm avg' 34mpg and on the highway I'm getting 43mpg. I'm just under 3000. I'm going in for my first oil change. I hope to gain a little more.

Change that oil to a good synthetic and enjoy even better mileage (albeit slight).

[Nigal]

I got my Dragon short ram intake put on last night so I'm interested to see if it makes a difference in mileage. It's going to be hard to keep my foot out of the gas.

[marcus]

41.-41.5 MPG last tank..

http://www.accommodationz.co.nz/economycalculator.html

[Jem_hadar]

If one drives "normally" theyr Yaris, paying no attention to saving gas, but just driving "normally" one will get in the high 20's and low 30's mpg at best. But if you are mindful about driving for saving gas, one will easily get mid to high 40's for hwy driving, and at least high 30's for city.

thx for that info.

[uncleyaris]

my last fill, showed 46.9mpg. Damn I love this car. Gonna drive real grandma and aim for 50 mpg, lol

[slvryaris]

Yaris now has almost 32,000 miles on it and still getting 36-40mpg

[black2yaris]

I did the TRD cold air induction on mine & right off got way more miles out of a tank ,plus way more pop off the line . With the reuseable / cleanable airfilter & added fuel savings it's gonna pay for it's self real soon

[naossoan]

Depending on how much highway driving I do, I get anywhere between 550 and 650 km to a tank. Costs me about $40 to fill up with gas at $1.09/litre

which is between 38-44 mpg. Not 2 shabs - I'm happy with it.

[Nigal]

Didn't see any real improvement in mileage after installing the Dragon intake. I got 40mpg this last tank with A/C on about 60% of the time. Still can't complain about that. :)

[RocknRollRon]

Didn't see any real improvement in mileage after installing the Dragon intake. I got 40mpg this last tank with A/C on about 60% of the time. Still can't complain about that. :)

I've gone about 5,300 miles so far (a mix of city highway- typical NJ driving). I've gotten 38.5 miles per gallon peak and total average is 37.5 mpgs...all with the A/C ON and my lead foot!

MT, regular 85 octane gas @ $3.80/gal

Hoping to get the TRD CAI and improve things a bit...
:smile:

[Silver Streak S]

Will a cold air intake really increase fuel mileage? I've read different opinions on this.

[swng]

Brief follow up to Post #1376:
Got approx. 509.8 km (316.79 miles) with 35.787 liters (9.45 US gallons).
Translates roughly to 40.24 mpg (Imp), or 33.51 mpg (US), or 7.02 liters per 100 km.
Additional Info: Load = 2 people + some baggages most of the time. City/highway ratio was about 40/60. A/C used a lot during the tank. Tire pressure was 34 psi all around. Regular maintenance.
Comments: About average for me. Still comfortably above EPA numbers.

[stuffy]

nice work swng, i'm still a bit too much of a lead foot to get your numbers.....
but i'm close.

[nuarch]

i recently traveled from Miami, FL to Dallas, Tx
and recorded how much i filled up each time
and the mileage i had at next fill up

the car is a 4 door yaris sedan
trunk and back seat full of my life
and when i say back seat full, i meant from bottom
to almost the top of the windows
2 full size adults
and with a total trip of
1623 miles, i did a little side driving
i fueled 4 times and got an average of 39.6 mpg
there was a stretch through tallahassee, fl to port arthur, tx
that i got 43mpg
overall i was pleased with how well the car performed
and i feel sorry for its rear end, because with all the junk back there
any low dip that i was caught not paying attention to
gave me a nice reminder of how low it was back there

[swng]

nice work swng, i'm still a bit too much of a lead foot to get your numbers.....
but i'm close.
I am sure you will do really well sooner or later. You described youself as lead footed. I think there is a possibility of it being an overstatement. Even driving relatively fast can sometimes have good effects on F.E. Even if you do not pulse and glide (I rarely do), you can still accelerate a bit before a hill (subject to safety) and use the momentum to go up the hill. That will be a lot better than accelerating during the climb. Well, just an example to illustrate that going fast at the right moment can help save fuel. I by no means want to encourage speeding:wink:.
Good luck to all of us who make use of this thread to share experiences:smile:!

[swng]

i recently traveled from Miami, FL to Dallas, Tx
and recorded how much i filled up each time
and the mileage i had at next fill up

the car is a 4 door yaris sedan
trunk and back seat full of my life
and when i say back seat full, i meant from bottom
to almost the top of the windows
2 full size adults
and with a total trip of
1623 miles, i did a little side driving
i fueled 4 times and got an average of 39.6 mpg
there was a stretch through tallahassee, fl to port arthur, tx
that i got 43mpg
overall i was pleased with how well the car performed
and i feel sorry for its rear end, because with all the junk back there
any low dip that i was caught not paying attention to
gave me a nice reminder of how low it was back there

Nice numbers nuarch!
Just for some discussion, I believe for long trips over smooth road surfaces with few stops, load is often less harmful to fuel economy than other factors. What a heavy load (I mean one within safety limits) can usually do, apart from affecting your handling, is to cost you more fuel to reach the desired speed and more heavy braking to slow down/stop. Yet, the momentum caused by the load can actually help you maintain speed for a longer distance. This also means you can lift your foot from the throttle earlier whenever you want to slow down/stop.
Once you reach the cruising speed, friction of all kinds, including wind resistance, becomes the main factor adversely affecting your fuel economy. I venture to guess that your long trip must have been a smooth one (except the unexpected dips you mentioned) with few stops (relative to city driving), making your mpg numbers so adorable.
I envy you for having had the opportunity to travel such a long distance. I struggle with city traffic every day. Even my so called highway drivings are short and full of needs to slow down or stop.
Still, just like you, I am happy with my Yaris!
Thanks for your thought provoking report above!

[jdium]

I did the TRD cold air induction on mine & right off got way more miles out of a tank ,plus way more pop off the line . With the reuseable / cleanable airfilter & added fuel savings it's gonna pay for it's self real soon

:iono:

[swng]

Here is an article which I think is basically about fuel economy. IMO, it is not talking about new discoveries in this field. Yet it is comprehensive enough for day to day F.E. conscious driving purposes. One of the good things about it is it does give an estimate of how much fuel in terms of percentage a certain measure can help save: http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4907539
Enjoy!

[voodoo22]

So far I'm loving the fuel mileage of the Yaris.

My first tank included a few hundred kms of country road driving at 80km/h with hardly any use of the a/c and got an incredible 4.9l/100km, on the second tank with almost 100% a/c use and much faster driving speeds quite often at 110km/h and we still got 5.6l/100km.

I can't see the car doing better after it breaks in, but if it does this FE could get amazing!

[Ah Yum]

So far I'm loving the fuel mileage of the Yaris.

My first tank included a few hundred kms of country road driving at 80km/h with hardly any use of the a/c and got an incredible 4.9l/100km, on the second tank with almost 100% a/c use and much faster driving speeds quite often at 110km/h and we still got 5.6l/100km.

I can't see the car doing better after it breaks in, but if it does this FE could get amazing!

Wow that's really good. Congratulations.

[marcus]

Wow that's really good. Congratulations.

4.9 liter??.. this car should be between 5.5-6.9 l/100km how did you achieve that??

[voodoo22]

4.9 liter??.. this car should be between 5.5-6.9 l/100km how did you achieve that??

I drove a long distance going 80-90km/h on country roads with no stopping. About 250 kms worth. I also have a 52km commute over the 401 and very rarely make short trips with the car.

It also included one 1 hr traffic jam getting out of Toronto though, but I go easy on the gas, basically never brake and the a/c was used very rarely.

I did inflate the tires to 40psi as soon as I got the car, but that's the only thing I do besides taking it easy on accelerating. Every day I see people fly by me only for me to pass them later as they're stuck in a slow moving lane, so I don't have the desire to punch the gas any longer and I think that's the biggest contributor to this result. Slow acceleration and consistent speeds.

I am aware there are errors with any fuel mileage calculations, but I did drive 707 kms before I filled up with just over 34 litres I think it was, so error rate should be somewhat low.

I was shocked to get 4.9, but some people get less than that consistently, like Bailout.

[palsan]

I also have a 52km commute over the 401 and very rarely make short trips with the car. ... but I did drive 707 kms before I filled up with just over 34 litres I think it was

Your location shows "Toronto", so in order to get that kind of FE on the 401, either your commute is at 2am or you weigh less than 10lbs:iono: or both :iono:

The 401 is one of the most conjested highways in North America with average speeds during rush hour of >40km/hr. I can't believe that any driver of average weight can achieve 4.9L/100Km driving the 401 during the day:iono:

My Yaris is automatic, I commute from Markham to Toronto daily (40Km), my tires are at 42psi, I'm slower than 75% of cars, accelerate slowly from stops, I coast down hills whenever I can (my faves are leslie southbound and bayview south @ pottery rd), limit my use of ac, there is no extra weight in the car, coast to all red lights and stops, I only take one short 10Km trip each week to grocery shop, I don't idle, I don't warm up the engine in the morning, etc.

YET my best FE ever was 5.9 (575km on 34L). Your 707Km on 34L is 23% better than that. Either I'm missing some voodoo driving secret or, with all due respect, you're not telling us all the facts.:smile:

[Ah Yum]

4.9 liter??.. this car should be between 5.5-6.9 l/100km how did you achieve that??

My best tank is also 4.9, to and from the Sea-to-Sky Highway with two passengers, speeds ranging from 30 to 80 km/h, lots of crawling up slopes and riding down the other side with DFCO.

Now I'm consistently 5.2 in all city traffic.

[voodoo22]

Now I'm consistently 5.2 in all city traffic.

5.2 in city traffic is amazing. If I could get near that it would be awesome.

DFCO supposedly only works on autos in 3, so it's harder to use, but whenever I'm coasting below 80 I try it.

I wonder how the car will do for mileage in the winter around here.

[stuffy]

my mileage dropped off considerably for the past two winters, in fact i might actually get 10 mpg less in the winter than i do in the summer.

but the disclaimer is that most of my driving is short city trips, so in the winter the engine never has much of a chance to warm up.
but i have also noticed poorer mpg on the highway as well in the winter.

[sherryberry]

my mileage dropped off considerably for the past two winters, in fact i might actually get 10 mpg less in the winter than i do in the summer.

but the disclaimer is that most of my driving is short city trips, so in the winter the engine never has much of a chance to warm up.
but i have also noticed poorer mpg on the highway as well in the winter.

Cars tend to run on less fuel in warmer weather. Even with my old cars, I have differences in the winter.

[marcus]

i knew landscape's got something to do with ur 4.9l/100...

[roxy84]

talk about consistency. my last four tanks on the yaris:

431.8 mi/10.17 gal=42.4 mpg
424.9 mi/10.016 gal=42.42 mpg
427.3 mi/10.041 gal=42.55 mpg
422.8 mi/9.88 gal=42.79 mpg

im all for consistency, but this is just getting boring.:biggrin:

this with a work commute of 70% hwy/30% city. some of my driving i would categorize as neither city or hwy, but rather "suburban"(.5miles-2 miles between lights, 40-50 mph). if one is good at anticipating lights and adjusting accordingly to avoid too much stopping and starting, "suburban" driving done properly may result in mileage equal to that of some highway runs.

[Canuck]

And when one is stuck in traffic, 'hyghway' driving is worse than city. Hate the 401!

First fill up yesterday. 7.78L/100km. Not bad considering that I'm still breaking her in, I spend way too much time idling on the 401, and my 19 year old drove it some :)

[marcus]

i know a lot of people here believed in DFCO..if you ask me it sounds made up.....downshifting raises revs vs neutral half the rev..and i dont know how the car will still be running if the fuel was cut off...just my thought of it..

im assuming the "scangauge" can confirm this..anybody???

[adamschneider]

and i dont know how the car will still be running if the fuel was cut off...just my thought of it..
Because the wheels are turning the engine instead of the other way around.

[aca72]

My first fill up on my Yaris S M/T:

33.49 MPG: racked 332.9 Miles and filled 9.940 Gallons

Driven mostly on rush hour highway traffic and city streets. It's still in its break in period so I know the mileage will improve later on.

[Bredayaris]

Last time i drove a trip for 150 km, my diesel Yaris used 5L/100km, that is 47 mpg (US). My average on the highway was 80.8 mph.

Now sometimes i'm going faster on the highway and have a lot of citytrips, on the highway i sometimes drive 93 mph and now it uses 41.67 mpg (US).

I always use my airco.

[joe keeney]

Over 2000 miles changed oil at 1400 gtx getting 40.2 mpg thats running the air. Also its automatic. nocity driving...

[woof]

I can't believe some of these mpg figures here. :confused: My LB has 16K miles on it and I got 39 mpg on a short trip ONCE but usually get 34 to 36 in and around town which includes 50% at 60 to 70 mph. I am not a hot rod guy and alternate between "driving by the handbook" to punching it to merge on the highway.

I tell most people who ask that I get 35 mpg regularly with my 5-speed.

[Bredayaris]

I do get those mpg easily but i have to say that i have a diesel engine in my Yaris.

[stuffy]

I can't believe some of these mpg figures here. :confused: My LB has 16K miles on it and I got 39 mpg on a short trip ONCE but usually get 34 to 36 in and around town which includes 50% at 60 to 70 mph. I am not a hot rod guy and alternate between "driving by the handbook" to punching it to merge on the highway.

I tell most people who ask that I get 35 mpg regularly with my 5-speed.

34 to 36 is about what i get driving around town, i think this is in line with the epa estimates.

[woof]

Bredayaris, I was just ranting in a thread I started elsewhere about the USA not getting the "good stuff". I would kill (well, maybe throw a fit) to get a small diesel here. But, Big Oil and Big Pig Iron are joined at the board room to make sure we always have a big demand for petrol.

http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/@images/toyota/toyota-aygo.jpg


I'd dump my LB in a second for one of these....but, we will never see an Aygo here. Sigh.

[churp]

I can't believe some of these mpg figures here. :confused: My LB has 16K miles on it and I got 39 mpg on a short trip ONCE but usually get 34 to 36 in and around town which includes 50% at 60 to 70 mph. I am not a hot rod guy and alternate between "driving by the handbook" to punching it to merge on the highway.

I tell most people who ask that I get 35 mpg regularly with my 5-speed.

Between 4,000 to the current 13,000+ I have only had 3 tanks below 40 mpg...1 was on a trip at 70 to 80 mph (36 mpg), 1 with air on (38 mpg), and 1 must of stepped on it too much (39 mpg). Most of my driving is 55-60 mph and usually 20 miles long (automatic), lowering springs, and 40 psi in tires.

[bigdoglover]

my first tank with my new yaris liftback auto trans and i got 38.45 mpg with my normal everyday suburban driving with the a/c on.

[bnther36]

I broke the 45 mpg barrier :headbang:

I did it twice this past week. Once going across Canada-- cruise set at 62 mph and then in the mountains of New York. What amazes me is that it was in the mountains of New York that got the best mileage. I would have thought that running across the flat Canadian turf with cruise would have given me the best results. But in was the 'engine-braking' down the mountains that gave me the best yeild. Don't understand it, but I'll take it.

Look out 46 mpg!!

[churp]

I've noticed this hill/mountain thing also! Theoretically going up an incline conservatively you could get 25-30 mpg....going down is free...so you could get 50-60 mpg (maybe theory isn't real life,but.....), while driving 62 on the flat may only get you 45-50 mpg!?!? The little stops and goes are what drop you down. Wish automatics had DFCO in drive.....3rd is usable only on very steep downhills at 50 or below or for stopping.

[Thotprawsis]

my first tank with my new yaris liftback auto trans and i got 38.45 mpg with my normal everyday suburban driving with the a/c on.
It gets even better as it breaks in!

[bigdoglover]

coming from a trailblazer this mileage is amazing. i was hoping to get 40mpg guess i better get out and put some more miles on her! by the way, i was behind another red lb yesterday-south suburbs-tinley park il.

[sherryberry]

coming from a trailblazer this mileage is amazing. i was hoping to get 40mpg guess i better get out and put some more miles on her! by the way, i was behind another red lb yesterday-south suburbs-tinley park il.

I've seen a few red lb around the suburban area. Saw one in Algonquin a few weeks ago.

[stellar]

OK... methinks I'm getting punked here...

I've had my Yaris for about a month, and it has roughly 1500 miles on it. I'm probably averaging 29 MPG, and this past tank, I only got 24. I use the AC regularly, and I know that hurts the MPG, but by THAT much??

[swng]

OK... methinks I'm getting punked here...

I've had my Yaris for about a month, and it has roughly 1500 miles on it. I'm probably averaging 29 MPG, and this past tank, I only got 24. I use the AC regularly, and I know that hurts the MPG, but by THAT much??

In the absence of more details, I consider that your mpg numbers are a bit on the low side. Even the A/C should not hurt that much. Hope your next few tanks will be better. Otherwise, some further investigations may be due.
In the mean time, I would suggest that you watch out for irregularities when you drive, such as unusual loss of power, warning lights on the dash, strange noises, bad handling etc and take the car to service if you do encouter any problem. May be it is just a matter of "wrong" calculations:smile:.
All the best!

[Nigal]

Bredayaris, I was just ranting in a thread I started elsewhere about the USA not getting the "good stuff". I would kill (well, maybe throw a fit) to get a small diesel here. But, Big Oil and Big Pig Iron are joined at the board room to make sure we always have a big demand for petrol.

http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/@images/toyota/toyota-aygo.jpg


I'd dump my LB in a second for one of these....but, we will never see an Aygo here. Sigh.

I wish we could get small diesels here to. They are fairly easy to convert to bio-diesel where you can drive on old frying oil from greasy spoons. The article I read said you can drive all month for an average of $8.

I was reading about the VW Lupo (http://www.usatoday.com/money/consumer/autos/mareview/mauto497.htm). 3 cylinder diesel that gets 78 MPG!

[ALY]

For those of you that track your mileage (per fill), please post links to share with the rest of us. This thread has grown exponentially and now I cannot find these charts any longer.

Thanks for your assistance.

[Bredayaris]

I was reading about the VW Lupo. 3 cylinder diesel that gets 78 MPG!

But that's a VW, they are expensive, boring and bad quality!
And 78 mpg isn't true also, ok behind a truck maybe with a little luck you get that mpg.

But in the other hand petrol in the States is getting more expensive i realize that but it is nothing if you compare it with Western Europe!

Petrol here costs 1,50€/ L,
that's 5,67 €/ Gallon,
that is 7,80 USD/ Gallon

I don't know what you guys pay for petrol but i think it's 2 times cheaper?!

[Soner]

Well, I filled up my tank twice and here are the results:
1st tank 32.0 mpg
2nd tank 33.6 mpg

A/C was on 90% of the time in the first tank of gas and probably 40% of the time in the second gas. Also, I'm not sure but I would say 50-50% hwy and city mileage.

[petesimac]

Just filled up today after having driven 403.7 miles, 70% of which was hwy/suburban driving and 30% city driving. I took 9.881 gallons of gas, equalling just under 41 mpg.

Pretty good, considering that the a/c was on nearly all the time and considering that there were three people in the car nearly all the time. Still looking for that all city driving tank, just to see if I can get the 34 mpg they promise; because I know that I can get the 40 mpg hwy they promise, having gotten as good as 46+ mpg on a recent trip, again, with a/c, three people and a full luggage bay.

Oh, and I try to stay really close to the speed limit (no higher than 65 on hwy trips), using DFCO as much as possible,turning off the car at long stop lights, and try really hard to accelerate slowly and evenly from a dead stop.

[petesimac]

Re: the Lupo, I would have loved to have had that option, if it was as inexpensive as the Yaris to purchase.

[Nigal]

But that's a VW, they are expensive, boring and bad quality!
And 78 mpg isn't true also, ok behind a truck maybe with a little luck you get that mpg.

But in the other hand petrol in the States is getting more expensive i realize that but it is nothing if you compare it with Western Europe!

Petrol here costs 1,50€/ L,
that's 5,67 €/ Gallon,
that is 7,80 USD/ Gallon

I don't know what you guys pay for petrol but i think it's 2 times cheaper?!

Our gas runs about $2.50-$3.25 a gallon which isn't as bad as some European countries. But isn't a major chunk of the cost over there due to taxes. Doesn't Britain fund their healthcare with gas taxes? I may be wrong. i do agree about the VW; expensive, ugly and poor quality but the mileage they logged was about standard and some testers got upwards of 85 mpg. I would think the Japanese engines would be at least close.

Diamler/Chrysler is going to be bringing the Smart Car to American markets next year. It'll be interesting to see how Americans respond.

http://www.cs.unm.edu/~aaron/images/europeweb/SmartCar-10.jpg

[Canuck]

Diamler/Chrysler is going to be bringing the Smart Car to American markets next year. It'll be interesting to see how Americans respond.

http://www.cs.unm.edu/~aaron/images/europeweb/SmartCar-10.jpg

If it's like they did in Canada, it's too expensive. a base Smart runs you about $2K more than a Yaris. And I like the extra seat.

[churp]

....Diamler/Chrysler is going to be bringing the Smart Car to American markets next year. It'll be interesting to see how Americans respond.

http://www.cs.unm.edu/~aaron/images/europeweb/SmartCar-10.jpg

Since Chrysler is no longer part of Diamler...does anyone know if this is going to happen????

[maryinredding]

My husband took our Yaris on a highway trip this last weekend. When I filled up the tank today, he had gotten 37 mpg. The car only has about 300 miles on it so it can only get better, I bet. What a wonderful little car.

[maryinredding]

The Smartcar has come to the United States as of last year, I believe. It could not be sold in California yet because of our strict smog laws, BUT it is going to be sold next year here. It is only a 2 seater car and that is why I chose the Yaris instead of getting one of these.

[maryinredding]

Chrysler will not be selling these cars. They blew their opportunity to do this a long time ago when they decided not to bring the 4 people Smartcar to the US. Then they "restructured" if you want to call it that, and that sealed the deal. I have read that the Smartcar ForTwo (that's the name it will be sold by) will be sold at independent dealers around the country. I believe they are asking $13,000 to $14,000 for them.

[Nigal]

The Smart Car is part of the Mercedes Car Group which I assumed was part of the whole Daimler/Chrysler juggernaut. They will be sold here in the US the first quarter of 2008 and will sell from $12K-@17K for the fortwo Passion Cabrio. The listed mileage is 40+.

All this translates into...not close to a Yaris. :)

[marcus]

the smart car is limited to i think 130 km/hr.....max!! our goes to 200km/hr

[daq421]

I've got 20k on my 07' and I'm averaging 34.5 miles per gallon (US).. I love this little car..

-Peter

[onara]

My mileage is 39 MPG (6 Liter/100km) averaged over the first 4000 Miles. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, so lots of stop and go. I never go over 65 Miles (105 km/h) and I turn off the engine at the 5 minute red lights we have here. Modest use of AC.

I wish I could have gotten the Yaris with the 70 hp engine Toyota sells in Europe. I don't understand why somebody wants a car which tops 120 Miles/h in a country where the speed limit is 70. I must be very naive.

[swng]

.......................I wish I could have gotten the Yaris with the 70 hp engine Toyota sells in Europe. I don't understand why somebody wants a car which tops 120 Miles/h in a country where the speed limit is 70. I must be very naive.
Interesting! Though I can certainly use some spare power for emergency, should any happen, I would welcome a more fuel efficient model too. I am hoping that the diesel version will eventually become available here. We in BC can see more diesel cars around than our fellow members in CA. We already have the diesel smart-for-two here:smile:.

[bigdoglover]

It gets even better as it breaks in!

but i jusy did my second fillup and only got 324 miles and used 9.75 gallons of gas- which is down to 33.23 mpg.:confused:
i know its been really hot and humid here this week and i used the a/c almost all of the time but i dropped 5mpg from my last tank. i even filled up at the same station the same pump-i think i must have driven differently this tank but i try to drive conservatively-i wanna hit 40mpg!!!!

[sherryberry]

i still have yet to reach 40mpg. always 35 or higher.

[swng]

but i jusy did my second fillup and only got 324 miles and used 9.75 gallons of gas- which is down to 33.23 mpg.:confused:
i know its been really hot and humid here this week and i used the a/c almost all of the time but i dropped 5mpg from my last tank. i even filled up at the same station the same pump-i think i must have driven differently this tank but i try to drive conservatively-i wanna hit 40mpg!!!!

In the absence of more details, I would like to think that most likely the one time low number is not your fault. It is actually not too low. Too many factors can affect the outcome of one tank. Please keep a long term record and look at the average numbers. You will be more pleased by that.

[jdium]

My average us up to 37 empeegee's...with no effort...guess I got a good "friday" car http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smilies/outfitted/mohawk.gif

[Bredayaris]

42,7 MPG and it didn't take much effort.
My right foot is very heavy, it doesn''t has to be hard to get 47 MPG with my car :)

[swng]

42,7 MPG and it didn't take much effort.
My right foot is very heavy, it doesn''t has to be hard to get 47 MPG with my car :)
:thumbsup: Diesel versions enjoy really good fuel economy!

[zyovka]

Well, I'm very excited here, since break-in period is behind ( I've gotten 1600 miles on the odometer), my mpg increased remarkably since I had passed 1000 miles. I'm getting 36.9 mpg, and it's entirely city driving. Awesome! I just can't get enough of my Yaris. Next week I'm planning a big trip to Michigan, which will be mostly highway driving, so we'll see what it will look like....

[swng]

Well, I'm very excited here, since break-in period is behind ( I've gotten 1600 miles on the odometer), my mpg increased remarkably since I had passed 1000 miles. I'm getting 36.9 mpg, and it's entirely city driving. Awesome! I just can't get enough of my Yaris. Next week I'm planning a big trip to Michigan, which will be mostly highway driving, so we'll see what it will look like....
Feel excited for you and looking forward to seeing your report!

[marcus]

i dont get it im not getting the gas mileage as advertised on this car .. in canada 5.5liter-6.9liter per 100 km.. this car got 7000 kms on it and im still doing about 7-7.1l/100. 30% city 70% hwy. no a/c, perfect shifting around 2700rpm down shifting @ 2000 rpm.. running about 110-120 km /hr on hwy..I just dont get it..

1st bar = 110-120
2nd bar= 190-200
3rd bar = 255-275 this bar runs me the least fuel
4th bar= 325-345
5th bar= 400-420
6th bar= 480-495
7th bar= 540-570
last bar= average gas fill up from 38.5-41.5 liters

:iono:

[swidd]

How about trying to keep the RPM below 2000 all the time? That's what I used to do driving manual...

[voodoo22]

i dont get it im not getting the gas mileage as advertised on this car .. in canada 5.5liter-6.9liter per 100 km.. this car got 7000 kms on it and im still doing about 7-7.1l/100. 30% city 70% hwy. no a/c, perfect shifting around 2700rpm down shifting @ 2000 rpm.. running about 110-120 km /hr on hwy..I just dont get it..

1st bar = 110-120
2nd bar= 190-200
3rd bar = 255-275 this bar runs me the least fuel
4th bar= 325-345
5th bar= 400-420
6th bar= 480-495
7th bar= 540-570
last bar= average gas fill up from 38.5-41.5 liters

:iono:

Those are low numbers. Our car is an auto and I sometimes get over 140 on the first bar. The auto shifts really conservatively, I accelerate slowly and the rpm rarely goes over 2500 rpm. Our car will pass 3000 km's this afternoon, so I think our car still is getting broken in as well.

I'm not paying close attention to it, but I'm guessing that when accelerating our car shifts at 2500 and shifts at 1500 when decelerating.

We haven't gone over 5.6 l/100km consumption yet with about 85% hwy driving.

I do not go over 100 km/h and use the a/c close to 50% of the time.

[Billstein]

Do you realise that 30 mpg is about double what all the others get?
When people ask what kind of mileage I get, I say to date the best was 38.8883 and for me to get 30 mpg it has to be a bad bad day ,"air on, Me driving faster then my (normal 75) about 85 mph instead.
I use royal purple full synthetic oil, not the "dino made synthetic"
So with the low cost of the car and me being able to run the air anytime I want, and if I am running abit late and need to drive a bit faster with the air on and still get over 30mpg....I am happy as a clam "without feeling guilty".
So I have come to the conclusion if I want better mpg I will need to import the front clip from a D-4D and fit it to my girl.. Thanks for letting me rant.
Peace Bill :wink:

[50MPGDream]

my mpg increased remarkably since I had passed 1000 miles
That makes me even more excited about this car. I havn't pushed it at all on my first full tank and I pulled down almost 43MPG

[marcus]

i want to hit 600 km b4 the last bar starts blinkin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MarkBen]

I'd love to hit 40+ MPG, but I just don't think its going to happen. I've changed my driving habits a good bit, and after the first 1000 miles, I've gotten averages of 37.2 mpg and 34.5 mpg. The first 3 tanks were not so great 27, 29, and 31 (ish). Still, I am very very happy with mid to high 30's. I think my best tank with my Hyundai Santa Fe was 19.5 MPG. Its nice to fill up less frequently and with a much smaller tank.

[petesimac]

Is this mostly city driving? If so, you're doing great. Try a hwy trip, go the speed limit or less, and I guarantee you'll get over 40 mpg.

[adamschneider]

Last week I had a tank that was almost exclusively highway driving: 41.4 MPG.

The route was Portland to Bend (and beyond), then back the next day (although I fueled up in Salem on my way back). 380 miles at 55-70 MPH the whole way; I barely touched my brake pedal. I got up as high as 5500' elevation, but for every hill I climbed up, of course I got to coast down the other side; the trip began and ended near sea level.

[voodoo22]

i want to hit 600 km b4 the last bar starts blinkin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I watched the shifting on the auto much closer the past couple days and have noticed when accelerating the transmission shifts before 2000 rpm and when decelerating it shifts closer to 1500, so I'd try shifting a lot earlier than you are now.

[churp]

Is this mostly city driving? If so, you're doing great. Try a hwy trip, go the speed limit or less, and I guarantee you'll get over 40 mpg.

Depends on the speed limit!!!!! Hard to get 40 mpg at 75 mph...is all of the east coast still 55? :biggrin:

[MarkBen]

Depends on the speed limit!!!!! Hard to get 40 mpg at 75 mph...is all of the east coast still 55? :biggrin:


I do roughly 70% highway miles at 55-65 mph, but its only 8 highway miles to and from work.

Most of the east coast is 65... in MD anyways. There are stretches that are 55. And I believe W. Virginia and down is mostly 70 mph ( Interstate 95 that is..)

[trini_per4mance]

I get about 50mpg@70mph on the highway. This is way better than any Hybrid or Smartcar and it's way cheaper too. And, oh, I forgot to mention, way more fun to drive.