Fuel Economy

[why?]

There is a reason that all of those numbers are followed up by "EPA estimated mileage" because the manufacturers know that it is extremely dependent on fuel as well as a host of other variables. EPA tests are very tightly controlled so you can have a level playing field on those numbers as well as the emissions have to be within the allowable regulations.

True, but the numbers have zero to do with what happens in the real world, unless you let a computer do all your driving and you never ever go over 40 mph. Not to mention never driving in non perfect weather conditions or ever even going outside a lab. The EPA test gets such stupid numbers they need to do a whole host of random math to get the numbers they publish.

[roxy1]

of course using an ethanol free gas is better. Try finding a station that has that though. I never argued using higher octane would give anyone any gains. I actually know how cars work. Modern cars do not have the ability to adjust enough stock for any higher octane.

Look, the EPA itself doesn't actually do any testing, the manufacturers do. The EPA just writes how the testing has to be done. And we all know the test itself is total bs. IF this was not the case we would not have a rash of automakers being sued over gas mileage figures, we would have a rash of lawsuits involving the EPA, because the test is totally bogus and does not apply to the real world in any way.

I understand all of this. I would say that since they revised the testing criteria in 2008 the numbers are closer to reality.

the 2nd gen yaris that had been rated at 34/40 got changed to 29/36 under the new criteria. personally, I had always beaten the old highway numbers without that much effort in all my Toyotas. the post 2008 highway numbers are very easy top beat now, imo.

there are definitely some cars out where hitting the epa numbers is harder, but even in my 2012 veloster and accent I could beat the numbers without too much hassle. it is much easier to do so in the yaris, as was the case with my fiat 500.

I suppose the epa tests could be better designed to reflect drivers who keep their foot on the gas until they are 50 feet from stop signs/lights, accelerate hard out of every stop, exceed the speed limit by 10+ mph all day, don't maintain their vehicles, etc, etc...However, i don't think the current numbers are too unrealistic for drivers who don't do those things.

[why?]

I understand all of this. I would say that since they revised the testing criteria in 2008 the numbers are closer to reality.

the 2nd gen yaris that had been rated at 34/40 got changed to 29/36 under the new criteria. personally, I had always beaten the old highway numbers without that much effort in all my Toyotas. the post 2008 highway numbers are very easy top beat now, imo.

there are definitely some cars out where hitting the epa numbers is harder, but even in my 2012 veloster and accent I could beat the numbers without too much hassle. it is much easier to do so in the yaris, as was the case with my fiat 500.

I suppose the epa tests could be better designed to reflect drivers who keep their foot on the gas until they are 50 feet from stop signs/lights, accelerate hard out of every stop, exceed the speed limit by 10+ mph all day, don't maintain their vehicles, etc, etc...However, i don't think the current numbers are too unrealistic for drivers who don't do those things.

Have you missed all the lawsuits? Hyundai had to change the rating on almost every single one of its cars after it was sued, Honda and Ford overrated their hybrids by as much as 10 mpg, and it seems like almost every manufacturer besides Toyota has been sued.

If the tests were done in the real world and not a lab they might actually mean something. The fact the numbers are beatable doesn't mean they are accurate.

[roxy1]

Have you missed all the lawsuits? Hyundai had to change the rating on almost every single one of its cars after it was sued, Honda and Ford overrated their hybrids by as much as 10 mpg, and it seems like almost every manufacturer besides Toyota has been sued.

If the tests were done in the real world and not a lab they might actually mean something. The fact the numbers are beatable doesn't mean they are accurate.the Hyundai numbers got adjusted down, but as a member of those forums when I had the veloster and accent, I can say beating the initial numbers wasn't a big deal, except for those who wanted to drive however they felt like and still expect to get decent mpg figures.

it is a litigation happy society, to be sure. too many folks want protection from self inflicted irresponsibility. there may be some cases where cars have been grossly overrated, but in the vast majority of general internet forum complaints about poor mileage, the drivers are the main culprit.

[nookandcrannycar]

I understand all of this. I would say that since they revised the testing criteria in 2008 the numbers are closer to reality.

the 2nd gen yaris that had been rated at 34/40 got changed to 29/36 under the new criteria. personally, I had always beaten the old highway numbers without that much effort in all my Toyotas. the post 2008 highway numbers are very easy top beat now, imo.

there are definitely some cars out where hitting the epa numbers is harder, but even in my 2012 veloster and accent I could beat the numbers without too much hassle. it is much easier to do so in the yaris, as was the case with my fiat 500.

I suppose the epa tests could be better designed to reflect drivers who keep their foot on the gas until they are 50 feet from stop signs/lights, accelerate hard out of every stop, exceed the speed limit by 10+ mph all day, don't maintain their vehicles, etc, etc...However, i don't think the current numbers are too unrealistic for drivers who don't do those things.

How did you feel about the Veloster? Likes? Dislikes?

[roxy1]

How did you feel about the Veloster? Likes? Dislikes?

for $18k, it was (mostly) the nicest car by far ive ever driven anywhere near that price range. awesome seats/seating position and silky smooth manual shifter, nicely appointed interior. I could get 40 mpg's highway without too much work, though in the 500 and yaris it is much easier. it stayed very flat through hard cornering, which was fun. the downsides were the ride was just too firm for my tastes for an everyday driver and the low rear glass was not the best choice for transporting dogs, which I do often.

some complained that the veloster promised much more on looks than it delivered in driving performance. essentially, it is an economy car (same 1.6 direct injection engine as the accent) underneath that looks very cool (depending on ones taste) and has an interior nicer than most econoboxes.

[nookandcrannycar]

for $18k, it was (mostly) the nicest car by far ive ever driven anywhere near that price range. awesome seats/seating position and silky smooth manual shifter, nicely appointed interior. I could get 40 mpg's highway without too much work, though in the 500 and yaris it is much easier. it stayed very flat through hard cornering, which was fun. the downsides were the ride was just too firm for my tastes for an everyday driver and the low rear glass was not the best choice for transporting dogs, which I do often.

some complained that the veloster promised much more on looks than it delivered in driving performance. essentially, it is an economy car (same 1.6 direct injection engine as the accent) underneath that looks very cool (depending on ones taste) and has an interior nicer than most econoboxes.

:thumbsup: Thanks for the info. I like the styling. One of my neighbors has had one for about 6 months (they also have an Accent SE, and a full sized pickup). My neighbor's Veloster is Yellow (an ugh Yellow, IMO), and I've been hoping I'd see a white one. A few days ago I finally saw a white one, and liked what I saw. Any problems with clearance/scraping when you had yours (speed bumps, and transitions from roads into parking lots) ?

[roxy1]

Any problems with clearance/scraping when you had yours (speed bumps, and transitions from roads into parking lots) ?

not that I can recall. I only had it at the tail end of that years winter, so can say much about driving in snow. I doubt the ground clearance is much different then the yaris.http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/roxy84_photos/004-3.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/roxy84_photos/media/004-3.jpg.html)

[nookandcrannycar]

^^^^^ Thanks. I like the way you captured the car relative to the background in the pic :thumbsup:. I would think that the color of the interior (in addition to the configuration of the space as mentioned) might have been less than ideal as well re transporting dogs.

[Hershey]

The sedan F.E. is starting to creep up , even with the Blizzak snows .

[roxy1]

^^^^^ Thanks. I like the way you captured the car relative to the background in the pic :thumbsup:. I would think that the color of the interior (in addition to the configuration of the space as mentioned) might have been less than ideal as well re transporting dogs.

yeah, im about 6'1", and the top of my head would touch the glass sitting in the rear seat. however, if I had to fold the rear seat down and put several dogs in, their backs were against the glass...not optimal.

besides, I often felt the interior was too nice for having dogs in there all the time.

[Hershey]

Called a local gas supplier and was told summer blend not expected until 1st week of May . Meanwhile , RBOB is at $2.998 , hopefully it'll stop rising .

[dj92]

I got about 6,5l/100km (36MPG) with the last oil fill (5W40; nothing else was available), now I put in 5W30 (the manual recommends 0W20, but I'm driving at rather high highway speeds (140...170km/h) (not only but also to let the fuel contents in the oil evaporate) and I want to reduce the engine's wear)
I'm driving about 20km per day through town and 2*80km (50mi) highway about every second week.
It's 8...9l/100km on highway and ~6l/100km in town.
I'll report how the values develop ;)

[dj92]

I didn't see a direct impact on FE yet, but seemingly the engine can keep up turning at load points where it would give up before.
My new highway speed record is 115,5MPH now (remember, I only have a 5spd MT) :D

[mirapatec]

My Yaris is getting pretty decent fuel efficiency. My Fuelly signature gives the latest estimate of basically 40 MPG in USA measurements. This is 7.1 litres per 100 kms or 17 KPL. I think these conversions are correct since I Googled them.

[746watts]

I bought my yaris hybrid in feb 14. I have over 19000kms on it now. Fuel economy at 100kms motorway driving is typically 55mpg (imp gal). I got 64mpg at 80kmph. No where near the claimed 80mpg (imp gal).

[jack black]

I bought my yaris hybrid in feb 14. I have over 19000kms on it now. Fuel economy at 100kms motorway driving is typically 55mpg (imp gal). I got 64mpg at 80kmph. No where near the claimed 80mpg (imp gal).

First, hybrid car in general and this one in particular are optimized for city driving. Yaris hybrid is known in USA as Prius c (I guess c for city).

Second, Euro fuel efficiency tests are too optimistic and not real life. US EPA tests are closer to real life. Fuelly is as real life as it gets.

Be warned, this forum is very hostile toward hybrid cars. Too many folks here have a chip on their shoulder.

[roxy1]

I bought my yaris hybrid in feb 14. I have over 19000kms on it now. Fuel economy at 100kms motorway driving is typically 55mpg (imp gal). I got 64mpg at 80kmph. No where near the claimed 80mpg (imp gal).

welcome, welcome, welcome!!!

its nice to see you can get the YARIS hybrid where you live. we don't get that here. the Prius C is sold here, which is very much a prius in looks/style, though built on the same platform.

many here were hoping we would get the YARIS hybrid, but we didn't.

at least someone can get a YARIS that is a hybrid rather than another version of the prius.

yes, I agree the hybrid strength is in the city, though the vast majority that I see are cruising the highways.

[why?]

I bought my yaris hybrid in feb 14. I have over 19000kms on it now. Fuel economy at 100kms motorway driving is typically 55mpg (imp gal). I got 64mpg at 80kmph. No where near the claimed 80mpg (imp gal).

It is all about changing the way you drive. You cannot drive a hybrid like you drive a normal car and expect to get the advertised gas mileage, you have to totally change the way you drive.

You almost have to totally re learn how you drive to hit the great gas mileage numbers.

Oh, and show us some pictures.

btw, I can almost get 55 mpg imp in my Yaris. Hybrids are terrible on highways.

[albee213]

I just purchased a 07 Yaris with 23,410 miles on it. I just finished my first tank of fuel from full fill up.

I drove it until the last bar started blinking with 349.7 miles and it took 10.15 gallons to fill giving me 34.45 mpg in Seattle which is all hills.

I keep records of all fill ups for years on my cars and just retired a Cadillac from daily commute that only offered 17 mpg.

[nookandcrannycar]

I just purchased a 07 Yaris with 23,410 miles on it.

:eyebulge: Does the seller have a twin with another Yaris with similar mileage?..........I'll buy the twin's Yaris :biggrin:.

[timothyone]

I didn't fully believe all of these 40+ MPG stories with 1.5L gas engines. I did little to build my FE other than watch my MPG numbers on my dash, and drive between 60 and 65. I averaged 42.4 MPG on a 250 odd mile trip on I-65 in Ky. (Right at 125 miles and back) I wanted to go faster but so enjoyed seeing the MPG AVG stay so high. I make this trip fairly often, so I'll soon have the chance to try for better. With these miles and a bearable car payment, I am glad I didn't go for the Hybrid.

[mirapatec]

I didn't fully believe all of these 40+ MPG stories with 1.5L gas engines.

I was also skeptical at first while I was deciding to purchase my Yaris. Once the Yaris was home and I was driving around, I verified that the very good fuel economy figures were true.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

What I did with my Yaris: http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/yaris/2007/07Vios/183168

What I'm doing now with my FR-S: http://www.fuelly.com/car/scion/fr-s/2014/07Vios/287038

[hans solo]

I got 42 mph on this last tank of gas.

[dj92]

Heavily loaded (rear wheel's upper ends began hiding behind/inside the fenders) some weeks ago including higher velocities (Autobahn): 6l/100km (300km trip) :D

[matti]

I'm about 2/3rds of the way through my current tank and I'm at 45.2 mpg. Starting in September I'll be doing a lot of freeway driving, so my mileage will drop quite a bit.

[timothyone]

If you stay around 60 mph. I drift between 60 and 65 and get well over 40 hwy. Anything over 65 will suck the gas. I enjoy cranking the music up and enjoying a nice cheap, safe drive. Only you know if you are actually have good reason to hurry.

[SpeedyYaris]

When I go 55, the scan-gauge reads 49-51 MPG

[nookandcrannycar]

What I did with my Yaris: http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/yaris/2007/07Vios/183168

What I'm doing now with my FR-S: http://www.fuelly.com/car/scion/fr-s/2014/07Vios/287038

:thumbsup: Pretty close with your new FR-S !

[Kaotic Lazagna]

:thumbsup: Pretty close with your new FR-S !

Yeah, not too far from the Yaris. Although I'm driving 5-10 mph slower and using premium gas now :laugh:

[albee213]

I found this one at a dealership, think it was from a "richer" couple or family, and was just a second car that wasn't used much.

[El Kapitan]

i'm a new member and still on my first tank so nothing to report yet. it's really nice to see that so many of you beat the EPA rating on your cars. i'm coming from a honda fit, which like most fits, met the EPA rating but barely ever exceeded it. if you check the fit forums or fuelly, you will see that most people achieve the EPA rating with their fits. many of you here blow the EPA rating out of the water with your yaris'. i'm also an F150 guy and most fords don't reach their EPA rating (not that one should buy an F150 if they care about mileage).

so it seems like this:

toyota = better than EPA
honda = accurate to EPA
ford = worse than EPA (not just F150s, btw. there are lawsuits with the C-max)

i love ford btw, i'm not trying to slag them. it's just that they don't meet expectations in real world mpg


"WHY?" - i've been browsing this thread and you've been here since the beginning. nice work! good member.

[El Kapitan]

good stuff. Thanks for posting.

here's mine
510km / 35Litre....

It's 102.5 this morning around GTA. For those of you live around GTA, always fill your gas after 10:30pm before 12:00am midnight. that's when the price drop all the way from 90.5~92.5 for last few days.

just noticing this post from about 9 years ago. gas has made its way back to this price again. what a crazy ride it's been.

[El Kapitan]

My Yaris is getting pretty decent fuel efficiency. My Fuelly signature gives the latest estimate of basically 40 MPG in USA measurements. This is 7.1 litres per 100 kms or 17 KPL. I think these conversions are correct since I Googled them.

7.1 liter/100 kms = 33.12881455399061 US MPG

http://www.calculateme.com/cGasMileage/LitersPer100kmtoMPG.htm

[nookandcrannycar]

just noticing this post from about 9 years ago. gas has made its way back to this price again. what a crazy ride it's been.

:thumbsup:. Nine years ago gas may have been the same price here near Houston that it is now here near Houston....but that is a fair bit lower than it was in California nine years ago :laugh:.

[El Kapitan]

i was checking gas prices the other day in oklahoma city, which is one of the cheapest places in the US, gas was (CA)47 cents/ liter, which, factoring currency exchange rate, comes to about (US)1.4765 per gallon. lucky b-----rds!

but we all know that it won't stay down forever. the only question is how much time before it starts the inevitable climb once again...

[nookandcrannycar]

i was checking gas prices the other day in oklahoma city, which is one of the cheapest places in the US, gas was (CA)47 cents/ liter, which, factoring currency exchange rate, comes to about (US)1.4765 per gallon. lucky b-----rds!

but we all know that it won't stay down forever. the only question is how much time before it starts the inevitable climb once again...

:biggrin: I paid less than that.....$1.4190 (US dollars) per gallon in Tomball, TX (a suburb of Houston) for my last fill-up on January 18th.

[Synyster]

Few weeks ago I bought a brand new 2015 Yaris L 1.5 automatic. My job requires me to drive a lot so I had to have an economical car. After few tanks, I'm really disappointed with mileage. Usually 28-30 mpg with 70% city 30% highway with 90% in Eco mode.
Before Yaris I drove a Honda Fit/Jazz and I averaged 38 mpg combined in same conditions. Recently my rental was Nissan Versa Note; during few weeks of driving it, my average was 33 mpg.