Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

We are ready! ...... To swim! LOL


When are you moving forward to your next project? looks cool! what is it?

D.

[sqcomp]

It's "just" a little kit car. Over this year I'll be buying the LS1/T56 dropout for it. When I get that here I'll be making sure the power train is up to snuff. When I leave for Afghanistan that will give me the extra money to purchase the kit...seeing as I won't be spending any money on anything...

I might just sell my audio gear off to help offset costs too.

Think 1460 lbs wet with 350 reliable & stock HP. Now, do the math and tell me what there isn't to love about a roadster that I can tool around in like this? :) My backup is the Yaris.

[mchvll]

Believe it or not, I read through this entire thread. Thanks y'all for the wealth of information and motivation.

I'm envious of folks who have SPACE to work on their rides. I'm living on northern Vancouver Island in an apartment with no underground parking. Since I don't want to advertise to potential thieves, I tend to just go to parking lots away from my apartment and work on my Yaris there.

To give you a picture of what this looks like:
Installed B-Quiet in the hatch last night. Forecast is rain for the next few days, so I figured I wouldn't wait for the sun. It's the evening, dark and pouring rain. I'm sitting on the folded down back seat with the panels/spare tire/etc in the front seat. I'm trying to warm the metal with my sock feet while I rub the cut B-Quiet sections with my hands to try to warm them. There's also moisture in the car, so I'm using paper towel right before applying. And this is all by flashlight, of course.

After doing about half of the area, I decided to innovate. Drove back to my apartment, tried a few things that didn't work too well. Ended up filling my pressure cooker half full of water, boiling it, then used the outside of the pot to warm the B-Quiet sections. That actually worked pretty well. Also put a layer of "sound blocker" foam from Home Hardware. It wasn't too expensive, so why not. Couldn't find MLV in my area, though.

Finished up at about 1 AM, too tired to even want to test it. Today I tried, and it was worth every penny and all the effort. The subwoofer rattled the trunk too much to enjoy it at high volume, and it fixed it entirely. Next up, the doors.

But I have a problem--the rear view mirror vibrates too much. I don't mind it visually, but it makes too much noise. Any suggestions for this?

[derickveliz2]

Believe it or not, I read through this entire thread. Thanks y'all for the wealth of information and motivation.

But I have a problem--the rear view mirror vibrates too much. I don't mind it visually, but it makes too much noise. Any suggestions for this?

Awesome! now you know about me and all the stupid things I've done in the last 3 years, and also know how good I feel after learning by my mistakes, enjoying the YarisWorld community and it's support, all we are good friends that help each other, and like PatM said once to me..."it's like a soup opera" expecting some thing new every time.

About your mirror, try to pull it up and do a good inspection of the mirror it self, maybe there is something loos in it, then try to open it up and put some of that Mat you have inside. Take pictures if you can! and let us know how it goes!

D.

[HareBrained]

About your mirror, try to pull it up and do a good inspection of the mirror it self, maybe there is something loos in it, then try to open it up and put some of that Mat you have inside. Take pictures if you can! and let us know how it goes!


Does the Yaris have a double-ball stalk on the mirror (my xB does)? Because people don't adjust the mirror often, it can become fixed in one position. Changing it's position by moving the entire mirror can change the amount of vibration. IOW, rotating the stalk down or up at the base will change to angle and the vibe frequency.

[derickveliz2]

Any body knows how to remove the side rear view mirrors?

D.

[derickveliz2]

I just posted this in another forum, I thought about sharing here:

Lets start with PLDs...
This is how PLDs work in my car, the example is on the Mids in kick area, the idea is you measure from left speaker to left ear, right speaker to right ear, then do the math. Do this in different positions, the smaller the result the better.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LpRf4PPWwfQ/UHje8_FOlqI/AAAAAAAAqzQ/DcyvbztvMCc/s800/YarisSystemJuly42012.jpg





Now when I was starting into this hobby I never understood what center image was, I came up with this little exercise at home that you can try it too. This will help you to find that center image every body talks about:

Photo 1: Try to recreate the scene at home, the idea is that you stand right in the middle of the speakers, play a few songs of your choice.

Photo 2: You will feel that there is a 3rd speaker just above your head, like a phantom! that is the center image; most of the time would be the singer.

Give it a try!


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MhcdsdgGEdE/UI38KD3NXoI/AAAAAAAArO4/y9e40XkKOoY/s720/Fullscreen%2520capture%252010282012%2520114559%252 0PM.bmp.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B6P6RtusLWg/UI38LFkES9I/AAAAAAAArPA/mgvy8nDoEuo/s720/Fullscreen%2520capture%252010282012%2520114604%252 0PM.bmp.jpg



Now the problem is when you are not in the center of the speakers (in our cars) so to recreate that phantom (center image) right in the center of your car from the Pilot side we try to work it out mechanically (smaller PLDs) then Time Alignment and Left+Right Equalization. The end result is a 3D-mentional feeling of each track, is like been at a concert or live music at a cafe, where you can tell where is the singer (most of the time in the center AKA center-image) where is the Piano, the guitar, etc; and you can even feel how big or small is the room. When you accomplish this you can say that you have a Solid Sound-Stage. see image below:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l6LAm16TbiA/T5YqzNyNLvI/AAAAAAAAn7E/x3nx7Le5sJY/s912/Front%2520Stage%2520SQcomp.jpg



D.

[screenprintr]

Don't mean to bump your thread. However, I have a question I believe you can answer.

I read a bunch of the threads but couldn't find the answer. It'll take forever to read them all.

Someone mentioned taking off the C-Pillar Trim/Cover. I need to check the drive side. It has an Airbag. How did you go about this? Is their a Yaris book that covers this?

Thanks, Paul

[sickpuppy1]

It has a airbag label. The actual airbag is in the area right beside your head....a curtain. It blows down in case of side impact.

[sqcomp]

^ x2

Derick and I have a LOT of experience with these. What'll happen is that you'll pop the top end out. It'll come off just an inch or two. At that point there are two swivel clips in the middle portion of the pillar. You CAN manipulate these manually (without tools). You need to turn those clips 90 degrees and the pillar will release up and out.

[screenprintr]

Thanks sqcomp. Is there any issues with the Airbag being there?

[sqcomp]

Issues with the airbags? Not really.

The only thing is, when you re-install the pillar and turn the clips back to secure the assembly, make sure that the "small end" of the clips is facing down. If the smaller end of the rotating clip is up, the clips won't seat correctly.

Something tells me that I'll have to take a picture...

[derickveliz2]

I saw this brochure and I got an idea!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8r036h1K71g/ULBkBDVWCpI/AAAAAAAArZg/NfMN_B9HAE0/s797/112212193304.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

And? Share!

I installed the Whiteline 22mm rear sway on the car on Thursday. Nice stuff right there. Turn in is almost effortless. I get a bit more feedback from the tires themselves. That sway bar seems to take the rear end movement down and place it on the front wheels much more significantly. The rear end wiggle is much more controlled, dare I say almost non existant. I'm waiting for a dry day to see what these tires can actually do...

[derickveliz2]

And? Share!


It would be for Shows and Meets!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/porche-placa-gif-nimated-s.gif

D.

[derickveliz2]

And? Share!

I installed the Whiteline 22mm rear sway on the car on Thursday. Nice stuff right there. Turn in is almost effortless. I get a bit more feedback from the tires themselves. That sway bar seems to take the rear end movement down and place it on the front wheels much more significantly. The rear end wiggle is much more controlled, dare I say almost non existant. I'm waiting for a dry day to see what these tires can actually do...

Isn't that awesome!
The best mod for suspension, I remember when I tested mine after installing, besides a big smile on my face I said... "Feels like a Go-Cart"

Improved the stability at high way speeds 100% I'm talking my cruising commute that ranges between 70-90 MPH

D.

[derickveliz2]

Some thing like this!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d3-dMiPKimk/ULGZWXFRyUI/AAAAAAAArZ8/7dfXakuJrGo/s813/1-DSC00223+copy.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

Ok today I found an awesome way to adjust my center image:

I had my cellphone right in front of the instrument panel (arrow 1) with the GPS rolling and telling me what was my next turn. When... I just realized that...

While listening to a track with a very solid center image I noticed the voice of the singer was behind my cellphone's voice, a little bit to the left, so...

I moved my phone above the instrument panel (arrow 2) now playing a song... Still my center image was behind so...

I moved my phone behind the instrument cluster (arrow 3) in the center of the dashboard where the windshield meets... (Note that this position is about 5 feet from my right ear)

My center image was some how next to the phone's (playing another song in speaker voice) so...

I proceed to adjust my Time Alignment (T/A) to mach the position of my cellphone playing a different song, since it's mono gives me the feedback of a center channel where I can match my center image.

End result while experimenting with this was really good and makes sense to me, what do you think?

Conclusion: a new way of Tuning may be accomplish using my cellphone with one speaker and placing the speaker on arrow 3 (see image below) adjusting Left and Right EQ and T/A to match my center image. I got to try this over my lunch time this week.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/123-possitions.gif


D.

[sqcomp]

Phasing! It's all about phasing.

[derickveliz2]

Phasing! It's all about phasing.

I know about phasing in my own way of thinking, from...

Subwoofer > Lows < Mids > Tweeters

But I'm confused on if it's a left to right phasing?

Could you expand and explain a little bit more about phasing, please

D.

[sqcomp]

Think phasing for imaging detail and amplitude for imaging placement.

With the P-99, don't be afraid to play with the amplitude of the left and right on the four way crossovers.

Oh! It looks like I've sold one of my big amps. I'll be replacing it with a full range D class piece 1/4 of the weight.

[derickveliz2]

This is what I did today...

By putting my cell-phone on speaker (on arrow 3) Playing Pink Noise
I get a physical sense of where the center image would be.

Then I go through the process of playing each frequency induvidually and
adjusting my EQ, Left & Right to match the location of the Pink Noise played by my cell-phone.

I did it once this afternoon and works really good, after comparing my previous set up (Left & Right EQ by ear)
improved the center image and I believe I can go further out one more time
by projecting the physical location of my Pink Noise source to the left,
therefore placing the center image even further outside the windshield.

We'll see.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Just for fun... Shots

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LpEydQFs2vg/ULzBsmKyxZI/AAAAAAAArpc/7FF1u9LBgyA/s797/1-112812105431.jpg

The Beauty and The Beast...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rCMY9SOciTQ/ULzBuaiXz9I/AAAAAAAArps/9E0t-15xYik/s797/3-113012140228.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

I did it once this afternoon and works really good, after comparing my previous set up (Left & Right EQ by ear)
improved the center image and I believe I can go further out one more time
by projecting the physical location of my Pink Noise source to the left,
therefore placing the center image even further outside the windshield.

We'll see.

D.

Well after trying and trying didn't work and I found out why!

My right tweeter is not working at all!

Trouble shout all the way down from the RCA to the amp and the signal at the wires, every thing was fine, my right tweeter is not working! :frown:

D.

[derickveliz2]

So after contacting Hybrid Audio Technologies for help the Founder (Scott E. Buwalda) replies back withing 7 minutes...

That's is what I call "Costumer Support"

Try that with Pioneer and/or Hertz! I've done it before and takes about 2 weeks to get a reply.

D.

[sqcomp]

This is why I like the product. The support is great.

Update, I sold both of my big amps and am readying to sell my 4 channel. The next experiment in sound will be to hear a vertically bi amped system.

What I've done is to purchase two 5 channel amplifiers. I'll be bridging the first four channels to get a more powerful two channels. Then using the three channels to work the left side speakers. And then logically the same thing will be done to the right side speakers. I'll have a mono subwoofer amplifier on the sub... I'm taking one ID eight out of the car and simply using a single 8 inch subwoofer set up. That's all about space for me.

I'm sure I'm going to see my gas mileage go up after having remove these giant amps. It took me all of about five minutes to take them both out.

[sqcomp]

Hey Derick,

Thoughts on this idea...

You know my bit one? I need to have it fixed. I'm thinking that instead of selling it to use it to make my home system completely active.

What would Derick do?

[derickveliz2]

Hey Derick,

Thoughts on this idea...

You know my bit one? I need to have it fixed. I'm thinking that instead of selling it to use it to make my home system completely active.

What would Derick do?

I'm very new to Hi-Fi home systems, I would say sell the bit-one and get a big right & left EQ

I don't see my P99 at home :iono: it would be overwhelming don't you think?

D.

[derickveliz2]

This is why I like the product. The support is great.

Update, I sold both of my big amps and am readying to sell my 4 channel. The next experiment in sound will be to hear a vertically bi amped system.

What I've done is to purchase two 5 channel amplifiers. I'll be bridging the first four channels to get a more powerful two channels. Then using the three channels to work the left side speakers. And then logically the same thing will be done to the right side speakers. I'll have a mono subwoofer amplifier on the sub... I'm taking one ID eight out of the car and simply using a single 8 inch subwoofer set up. That's all about space for me.

I'm sure I'm going to see my gas mileage go up after having remove these giant amps. It took me all of about five minutes to take them both out.


Sounds like a metamorphosis of an Infinity 4 door sedan G35 and a Yaris! LOL

I would like to try an old 10" Solo-Baric under the glove compartment! I think it uses about the same volume of (2) i6SWs

D.

[sqcomp]

Scott's G was nicely finished. He spent a LOT of time on the tune. It's nothing that can't be topped sound wise by another well tuned vehicle.

What I've learned over the past several years being very close to these high-end competition systems is that the interpretation of good sound is so widely varied... Secret is to get all speakers phase correct and then tonally correct. The first is the most important. Everything else will fall and place given some time with the tune.

There have only been two vehicle systems that have truly make me wholeheartedly enjoy the experience of the music...and Scott's G and even Black Betty aren't in that number (still sounding spectacular mind you).

I say give the Solo 10 a try!

[derickveliz2]

Is it possible that Sub and Lows would end up on the same phase? or my ears are tricking me that sounds better, is there a way to check phase mechanically or with a method? you know I'm doing it through the P99 menu and not switching the wires at the terminals of each speaker.

To me phasing on the low end it's more obviously than with the Mids and tweeters.

Any suggestions? I really need to dig in more about phasing.

D.

[sickpuppy1]

SQ, I think a good set up of separates at home or even a good all in one receiver would negate the need for the Bit One at home. You preamp section is much more sophisticated on a full size good quality receiver. I'm partial to Denon or Yamaha receivers, but that's just me. I have Denon upstairs and down, here at home both with Klipsch Reference loud speakers.

[sqcomp]

It's not that I need the bit one at home. I just want to see what it can do.

I can get a modern receiver and will at some point for the TV area. But for my listening area, I am really enjoying the vintage setup I have. I'm also only listening in 2 channel. So any "spectacular" 432.7 channel home theater receiver is moot and a waste of money. That being said, I would like to do a side by side with my Nikko separates and the newer stuff for two channel work. The towers I have can take a LOT of power. There's no way I can test them out to their maximum potential currently since on my vintage setup, I can only get up to the halfway point on the preamp before the music becomes too loud to bear...

The really nice thing about the newer stuff though is that I can connect or stream music. I'd still rather plug in a Blu ray and play music that way though.

[sickpuppy1]

Are you using tubes? I'm jealous:moon:

[sqcomp]

Naw...vintage solid state.

For some reason I don't have a pic of my setup. My phone's microphone is strange when taking video so sound on video is wonky.

Pre-amp:

http://www.iavscanada.com/1208%20InventoryPics/1208-6152/Innovative%20Audio%20Nikko%20Beta%20II_f_l.jpg

Amplifier:

http://hifigoteborg.se/store/images/Nikko%20Alpha%20ll%20front.JPG

SACD player:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6807587049_d16cbfbb92_z.jpg

Tuner (not used):

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/image.php?image=3563222&is_user=0

Towers (without the covers on them):

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/CIMG2137.jpg

You can tell that the speaker tower pics are old. You see the red color in the grill of the Yaris? That's the old hella three tone horn...at least 2 years ago now.

I should probably update things...

This is my listening environment at home. All of this cost me less than $450 to cobble together. The sound is great.

[derickveliz2]

I'm working on my Super-duper-SQ-Pillow! (top secrete)

D.

[sqcomp]

Tell us more!

And I thought I had the cool project with vertical tri amping!

[derickveliz2]

Tell us more!

And I thought I had the cool project with vertical tri amping!

I'll go in details later, its a very simple project but means a lot for me.

D.

[derickveliz2]

A little bit about "CENTER IMAGE-STAGE WIDTH-STAGE HEIGHT Relative to speaker Location!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-nqKLS8ceC4I/UMlecOEHryI/AAAAAAAAruM/viaDpoD2Ub8/s1196/CENTER+IMAGE-STAGE+WIDTH-STAGE+HEIGHT+Derick+Veliz.jpg


D.

[MyzticZ3r0]

Hi D, I was looking over the image when you sound deadened your doors, did you keep the plastic cover that was initially on there? I was going to install new speakers and eventually deaden the doors - should I keep the plastic covering?

[derickveliz2]

Hi D, I was looking over the image when you sound deadened your doors, did you keep the plastic cover that was initially on there? I was going to install new speakers and eventually deaden the doors - should I keep the plastic covering?

Gone! for good.

It's a moisture barrier. (like a transparent plastic bag)

The treatment on the doors is on 3 sides, inside of the door (outer skin) then the inner part (that holds the panel) and the Panel it self.

I check once in a while for water and every thing looks good.

D.

[TOLMACH]

Hi D, I was looking over the image when you sound deadened your doors, did you keep the plastic cover that was initially on there? I was going to install new speakers and eventually deaden the doors - should I keep the plastic covering?

this need be replaced be something like dynomat.. good idea is also to cover the holes with smth (under dynomat)

those plastic films are actually for soundproofing

[MyzticZ3r0]

this need be replaced be something like dynomat.. good idea is also to cover the holes with smth (under dynomat)

those plastic films are actually for soundproofing

What's smth?

Gone! for good.

It's a moisture barrier. (like a transparent plastic bag)

The treatment on the doors is on 3 sides, inside of the door (outer skin) then the inner part (that holds the panel) and the Panel it self.

I check once in a while for water and every thing looks good.

D.

I did not realize it was a moisture barrier :bonk:. I'll be installing my speakers, along with my auto locks/windows at the same time. I'll have to hold off on removing the plastic for good until I get the proper material. Thank you for your quick reply!

[derickveliz2]

What is "TOO MUCH" Bass? for SQ

D.

[derickveliz2]

RTA...? Real Time Analyzer

A tuning tool? or...?

D.

[sqcomp]

RTA...? Real Time Analyzer

A tuning tool? or...?

D.

Tuning tool most definately.

Did you have something else in mind?

[derickveliz2]

Tuning tool most definately.

Did you have something else in mind?

Well, I've been disappointed because I can't find a good RTA to work on, I tried my iPad and my cheap cell phone with no success.

Pictures below:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Cpu17iPC_VM/UNP2vu-YSOI/AAAAAAAAr6U/XqmBPz7mWlM/s797/photo+%281%29.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zXWjloyNENQ/UNP2scFjjoI/AAAAAAAAr58/4vNOBIPtC7s/s797/photo+%288%29.JPG


D.

[derickveliz2]

i6SW hold on tight! here it comes a 14 Years old 10" solo-baric!

I know this is not apples to apples, but I feel the need to compare and experiment. so here is my test box! (it's snowing any way lol)

- Same power and source
- Box is twice as big or about the same as (2)i6SW that I'm going to try later on.
- 10" sealed box against 6.5" vented box
- 14 years of technology

Tomorrow is the big test.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-19uTymnLHgQ/UNP3Xc5pbkI/AAAAAAAAr6c/L43lXyDstyY/s652/Fullscreen+capture+12212012+124302+AM.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ueWejEcwex0/UMdHyB06MEI/AAAAAAAArs4/mgkC_HvVfIU/s842/2-DSC_8882.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NE0TBc-vOvQ/UMdH3E2g8kI/AAAAAAAArtA/eEnBlc1GOUM/s598/3-DSC_8886.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-fo79lrTwNX4/UNP380msQWI/AAAAAAAAr6s/Fquj-Gi6zNw/s902/DSC_9076.JPG


D.

[sqcomp]

D,

You know if you we're out here we'd work the 3055 and get you set up...

I'm interested to hear your impression on the solo...the old rounds are some of my favorites. Gotta round off those edges...have a table router? ��

[derickveliz2]

D,

You know if you we're out here we'd work the 3055 and get you set up...



Thanks,
7 years ago... I would be knocking on your door right now!

D.

[derickveliz2]

D,
I'm interested to hear your impression on the solo...the old rounds are some of my favorites. Gotta round off those edges...have a table router? ��

"I'm Impressed"

D.

ps.. no table router )o:

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[sqcomp]

If I didn't have the compressor and the tank in the trunk along with the amps, I'd work another Solo D 15"...

You know...I might have to think about this for a little bit. Those Solo D 15s only need a cube and a half...no no...It's better if I don't. I still have that ML3800 sitting up in the spare bedroom that I have the custom trunk enclosure for. If I want a 15" woofer, I've got an amazing one already.

Sorry, fleeting moment of weakness for the old solos.

[derickveliz2]

"I'm Impressed"


I'm Impressed by...

How good the little i6SW is! versus the Solo-B 10"!


D.


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[derickveliz2]

i6SW against Solo-Baric 10D - Power was 400 watts RMS



Enclosure i6SW wins, it's almost half of the Solo-10 (.35cf vrs .66cuf)

In Car SPL goes for the Solo-10, Yes the bigger the better, but my ears hurt and honestly I just couldn't listen for my 3 hours commute and enjoy my music the way I do with the i6SW, in other words the Solo-10 for me is overwhelming


Tonal balance: if the volume is from Low - Moderate - to High... the i6SW it's my favorite, now if I cranck it all the way up to MAX VOLUMEN... the Solo-10 WINS. (max volume is 2 or 3 clicks before distortion)

Low frequency extension At low-Moderate volume the i6SW takes the lead, At Max Volume the Solo-10 wins

Clarity at high volume (high volume not max volume) the i6SW takes the lead.

Clarity at low volume, there is some thing magical about the i6SW that makes me smile.

Impact - Both are good

Overall sound quality - 2 thumbs up for the i6SW! I don't know what it is, maybe because it fires forward deep into the fire wall, but the big difference is the i6SW hits my chest, and the Solo-10 hits my ears and my head. I have a little cold and stuffy nose, so maybe that explains the ears, but I'll keep the Solo for a couple more commuting days and then report back, but ...


If Had to buy one between these 2, I wouldn't think twice... the i6SW is the ONE!

Next step!... lets plan on doing a second box for a second i6SW and see/feel/hear what happens!

The never ending story!

D.

[sqcomp]

This is nice because you've identified your tastes for low end.

Ultimately when the I6SW is given a bunch of power, it will break up. I know the weaknesses of the Imagine sub line. I've removed myself from Team Hybrids due to some interesting circumstances in the team...I'd love to be able to speak more about the Legatia woofer coming out...but I just don't care enough about the brand anymore to give much of a crap.

I digress...That being said, you get something when you get that break up on the power and you illustrated the plusses.

What you gain from a smaller "bore" woofer in a smaller enclosure, even vented, is the punch where the mid bass and the sub bass come together versus the bigger subwoofer hitting lower.

The thing with this is, more of the natural music's bass is at the region you're enjoying.

A couple questions, what music were you referencing? Would you like some suggestions for reference material to listen to the woofer and the enclosure response?

[derickveliz2]

This is nice because you've identified your tastes for low end.

The thing with this is, more of the natural music's bass is at the region you're enjoying.

A couple questions, what music were you referencing? Would you like some suggestions for reference material to listen to the woofer and the enclosure response?

Yes, I would like suggestions! of course!

This is my typical SQ CD I play,
also:
IASCA OFFICIAL SOUND QUALITY CD
Hotel California...
Focal JMLab Demo CDs, and more...

some tracks you may recognize!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FWOzaQQcaXs/UNVdKisrhJI/AAAAAAAAr7w/fLBuyd76-U4/s598/Fullscreen+capture+12222012+20942+AM.bmp.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tjeGmwTPfww/UNVdRFA5BhI/AAAAAAAAr74/fHHD03y4iZA/s598/Fullscreen+capture+12222012+21015+AM.bmp.jpg


D.

[sqcomp]

Derick...when you have the chance, add these following tracks to your reference library:

Happy Days are Here Again (version 2) - The Tierny Sutton Band
Sometimes I'm Happy - The Tierny Sutton Band
Africa Unite - The Concrete Jungle
Kung Fu World Champion - Hiromi Uehara
Boom - Bluezeum
Bali Run - Fourplay
Grace Kelly - BYU Vocal Point
Suicide is Painless - City of Prague Philharmonic
Six Blade Knife - Dire Straits

These selections give a great new listen for the mid bass and sub bass relationship you're exploring.

[derickveliz2]

Thanks SQcomp for the suggestions, I'm working on it right now.

D.

[derickveliz2]

After 500 miles with the 10"Solo-Baric I put back the i6SW...

and I'm glad I did! the i6SW is sweet!

do not misunderstand me, the 10"solo is great! specially if the WOW factor is at Max volume (but no more than 10-15 minutes for me).

D.

[sqcomp]

D,

I saw a bunch of pics on FB, but what did you get for Christmas? Anything audio related?

[Alien Mantis]

I've removed myself from Team Hybrids due to some interesting circumstances in the team...I'd love to be able to speak more about the Legatia woofer coming out...but I just don't care enough about the brand anymore to give much of a crap.

O-M-G. :confused:

You were married to that brand for a long time. This is big news.

Interested to know what brand of ultra-high-end components you will be running next!

[Alien Mantis]

After 500 miles with the 10"Solo-Baric I put back the i6SW...
and I'm glad I did! the i6SW is sweet!
.

Seems like a small box for that Solo10. What is the xMax on that thing?

My Infinity 10's like .75cf sealed ( specs say 14mm xMax )

Not surprised you like the i6SW. Them smaller subs sound creamy smooth.

I'm so happy with my Infinity's... I have no plans to replace them anytime soon.
:biggrin:

[Alien Mantis]

You should run THIS tune through your system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLq0tpZZe7M

It's great for tuning, because it has lots of seperated elements, and a PHAT bottom-end!

This song makes my system sound better than it is.
:biggrin:

[sqcomp]

O-M-G. :confused:

You were married to that brand for a long time. This is big news.

Interested to know what brand of ultra-high-end components you will be running next!

I found that the Team Management was about money versus brotherhood. HAT practically owns IASCA. Now they're trying to "own" this new format called Tournament of Champions. The issue is, that there's a lot more money involved in TOC and the TOC owner is a bit of a lush (to say the least). I was witness to him dissapearing for 3 days on end during the last CES...leaving a shop owner out in the cold who had a show car to unveil at CES. Poor guy had to bring in his mother to run the sound shop because of the TOC owner's lack of ethical character.

It all comes around to the fact that one of the team management is good friends with this person. Team management actively attempts to stiffle any dissenting opinion and they refuse to let their regular team members know about the risk of investing with TOC. We're talking the risk of losing $300 to join and $75 to $150 every show...

That is why I've removed myself from competitive car audio...Because of the lack of proper ethics. I have a few other very costly reasons as well, but that is between me and the team. Needless to say, the team "help" cost me a world championship (literally) after said "help" blew up my processor the night before finals. I still managed to eek out a 4th place with a dead processor and a limping P-01 (because of the processor's "explosion")...

In the mean time, I have a fun hobby that has taken the competitive car audio space. Just last night I re-tooled my garage to include a new work bench that has an RCBS Rockchucker reloading setup on it now. All I need is a case tumbler and I'm set. I'll be handloading .38/.357, .40 S&W, .303 British and 30-06 rounds. My first gun show, as a reloader, is on the 5th-6th. I'm also taking the Oregon and Utah concealed weapons safety class on the 14th...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0917_zps2ef6ec10.jpg

This is my primary now. I have a facility not 10 minutes away from my house by the name of Threat Dynamics. It's run by two fellows who served with me in Iraq and are fellow infantrymen. They have a really cool setup to run simunition scenarios through. IIRC, it has up to 5 screens and they use a stun belt on you for immersion into the scenarios they have.

As for what speakers I'll be using? I'm still running the Legatia SE set but am open to selling it off at basically dealer cost. I'm looking at another mid grade three way that I can whip into shape. Until I get rid of the HAT SE stuff, I won't name it...needless to say, it'd suprise most.

[Alien Mantis]

That sounds like a lot of really bad politics.
Too bad it came down to all that. You had alot of time and money invested in that whole thing. I'm sure you feel betrayed.

I do the "gun" thing too.
Got a friend who shoots competitions. He reloads his own .40 cal stuff.
He uses a Glock 35 tactical pistol.
I have a Glock 21 SF. I don't shoot competition.
I've got a CCW in my home state, but we don't even need a permit to carry concealed here.

My latest firearm aquisition is a Japanese-made .308 bolt-action rifle with 24" heavy barrel, tactical stock, bi-pod, and scope.
I still haven't shot it yet. I need to take it out and break-in the barrel properly.
Been awhile since I have been out to our local range.

I have several calibers, but no .40 at the moment. I had a .40 Glock, but sold it awhile back.
I also have an Armalite AR10, which uses same ammo as the new bolt rifle I just got. So that is convenient.

I have several hobbies, but i'm not really all that excited about anything much anymore.
Just getting old and tired.
:iono:
Last year or so, my favorite thing to do is sleep. Pretty sad, huh.

[sqcomp]

Betrayed? No. Disgusted, yes.

I won't dictate on how they should live their hobby. What I won't do is let them drag me down. I was not happy with their individual attitudes. It was not a "team" except on the surface. The only part of Team Hybrids that is actually a team are the guys here in the NW. Guess who put that together? Yours truly.

Without going off too much further, I'll probably be out of the car audio thing competitively for several years...at least until I'm out of the military. Then I'll be working on my car project (after this last deployment).

As my audio plans go, this vertical tri-amping project is going to be fun, especially the signal wiring. I got the P-01 fixed and now the Bit One is next in line for repair. That is going to the same place that repaired the source. Great people over at Pyramid Audio repair.

[derickveliz2]

D,

I saw a bunch of pics on FB, but what did you get for Christmas? Anything audio related?

You know, most of the presents go to kids, I had enough presents all these years! jeje.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Seems like a small box for that Solo10. What is the xMax on that thing?

My Infinity 10's like .75cf sealed ( specs say 14mm xMax )

Not surprised you like the i6SW. Them smaller subs sound creamy smooth.

I'm so happy with my Infinity's... I have no plans to replace them anytime soon.
:biggrin:

No big or small, that is what Kicker want's... 0.66 cuft (period) no more, no less.

Here is the LINK (http://www.kicker.com/sites/default/files/SolodMan.pdf) for the manual

Yes, I like the way the i6SW performs, now the question is... what about 2 little i6SW...

D.

[derickveliz2]

I'm working on my Super-duper-SQ-Pillow! (top secrete)

D.

Remember this little project?...

It's turning out better than I thought! my wife was thrilled after a couple of songs.

I have a prototype and I'm going to start working on version II, then I'm going to show it to BOSE and/or Apple, and see if it flies! it's a great idea and as far as personal project... works for me really good.

D.

[sqcomp]

Be careful with patents.

Also, does your idea include the ability for the speaker inside the pillow to self-correct itself to face up?

[derickveliz2]

Be careful with patents.

Also, does your idea include the ability for the speaker inside the pillow to self-correct itself to face up?

No, the speakers are not inside the pillow, I'll send you a picture of the concept idea.

D.

[Alien Mantis]

No big or small, that is what Kicker want's... 0.66 cuft (period) no more, no less.
D.

Usually, the box volume is based on the cone diameter + excursion.
( adjusted for peak target frequency )

Some high-excursion 10's like a 1cf sealed box. ( MOST call for .75 )

But hey.... everyone knows that. So i'm just thinking out loud again.

:biggrin:

[sqcomp]

It looks like I'll be selling my high-end speakers. The owner of the sound shop here locally that I originally bought the speakers from said he has a buyer. If that doesn't work out and I put them on eBay.

I'm looking at a nice little revolver I want to get with that money...

[derickveliz2]

I can't say more how pleased and happy I'm with my Yaris, it came out really good.

It's a great commuter car, 40+ MPG, soft quiet ride, fast enough to keep up with traffic, looks good, handles great and sounds awesome!

If I had to change cars for a new one, I would be in deep trouble, I like my little ride that I can't see a substitution for a long while.

D.

[Alien Mantis]

I can't say more how pleased and happy I'm with my Yaris, it came out really good.
It's a great commuter car, 40+ MPG, soft quiet ride, fast enough to keep up with traffic, looks good, handles great and sounds awesome!
If I had to change cars for a new one, I would be in deep trouble, I like my little ride that I can't see a substitution for a long while.
D.

Yeah, you spent so much time sound-deadening it.... you can't ever get rid of it!

:biggrin:

[derickveliz2]

Yeah, you spent so much time sound-deadening it.... you can't ever get rid of it!

:biggrin:

You are right! I can't get rid of it... what I need is a "winter car"

D.

[dragoonmc]

What all are you selling SQ?

[sqcomp]

I'm looking at getting rid of my Hybrid Audio Technologies Legatia SE 641 pro set. It's high dollar, even below cost. My four channel amp is already on eBay and I've already sold and shipped my old pair of autographed L8 mid bass woofers.

[dragoonmc]

Yeah There is no way I can afford their top of the line stuff. I wasn't think when I asked

[derickveliz2]

Hey guys!
I'm in the tropics right now visiting family and friends, (here in Guatemala) you wouldn't believe how many Yaris sedans drive around here, I see 1 in every corner!

D.

[tk-421]

@sqcomp, @Alien: Moved off topic stuff to this thread:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43389

[derickveliz2]

In Guatemala there is a Yaris sedan in every block, way too many...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xQs-lr-PiIM/UQOO-C7xFMI/AAAAAAAAs-w/nziTVpOEneA/s800/IMG_0686.JPG


D.

[MyzticZ3r0]

Is the front window tinted or is it just the angle?

In Guatemala there is a Yaris sedan in every block, way too many...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xQs-lr-PiIM/UQOO-C7xFMI/AAAAAAAAs-w/nziTVpOEneA/s800/IMG_0686.JPG


D.

[derickveliz2]

Is the front window tinted or is it just the angle?

It's tinted! most of the cars down here do that! it's a safe feature kind of thing.

D.

[MyzticZ3r0]

It's tinted! most of the cars down here do that! it's a safe feature kind of thing.

D.

It's a safe feature? Would it be more risky for the law enforcement? It looks great though!

[JumpmanYaris]

Hey guys!
I'm in the tropics right now visiting family and friends, (here in Guatemala) you wouldn't believe how many Yaris sedans drive around here, I see 1 in every corner!

D.

Just like in PuertoRico lol

[derickveliz2]

I'm Back!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hInFgvE00oE/URsnZGTgQKI/AAAAAAAAs_4/ZEiq5rqHL4w/s960/photo+%286%29.JPG

D.

[derickveliz2]

It's a safe feature? Would it be more risky for the law enforcement? It looks great though!

So people don't know it's your sister, your mother, or yourself.

Delinquency is a major issue down there, and that is one way to protect your self from people who would put a gun in your head, and do a "kidnap express" get in your car, take you to the bank, get all your money and then if you are lucky they will let you go 100 miles away from home.

Sadly, very sad :cry:

Beautiful country but Drugs and corruption is an every day issue.

D.

[sqcomp]

Dude! Bout time you got back...

While you were away, I sold ALL of my HAT stuff. Too bad you weren't here. It all went within 24 hours.

[derickveliz2]

@ Sqcomp:
Even your L4s (signed)?

I'm glad I'm back at home, too warm for me down there, besides I didn't listen to any system for 26 days, when I got back into my Yaris and turn on the music I realized how good it feels.

I've never seen so many Yaris sedans, it's like every body gets one, I counted 2 or 3 in every block, I took pictures of a few, but didn't want to expose my self, i-Phones are big target down there.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3ZLMY4WpREs/URxjagQfqWI/AAAAAAAAtA4/EoxZVfK8nNw/s634/photo+%287%29.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-l7od0wbUhd4/URxdtrThInI/AAAAAAAAtAo/qwdk3W8A8ck/s821/538338_4926006300752_1050926046_n.jpg



D.

[sqcomp]

Everything is gone. I'm going to let go of my P-01 for stupidly cheap as well (relatively)...

I sold the signed L8s and all my SEs. At this point, I'm moving on from HAT and Hybrid Audio. Don't get me wrong, great speakers. I just know what the soul of the company is...and I don't like it.

ANYWAY, I'm waiting for two 5 channel amps coming soon. They're going to bridge down into two 3 channels and give me just as much headroom as the monster DDs. I still have to unload that 4 channel.

I digress, we're looking at 230 x 2 & 440 x 1 on the left and then the same for the right side...in a class D amplifier. I already have the sub amp, at 1000 x 1 D class as well. So, think vertical (tri) amplification. I'm going to try to see if I can hear a difference. I read that the stereo separation is supposed to be better using this method.

I'm also saving a heck of a lot of space and weight. I actually have to re-tool my amp rack. I'm thinking of using some LED lighting both above and below the amps to produce a cool look. I'll also have to retool the pillars and sail panels. That's the easy part since they're mostly there already.

I've purchased a neat new XAV-701HD piece from Jim. I enjoyed the fact that it has true 5 Volt pre outs. I'll check to see if it has a more linear application of the Voltage across the pot range versus the top end boost that the P-01/P-99 has.

The new components will come after I sell the P-01. I have plans...

I'll also be repairing the Bit One at Pyramid Audio Repair. They did such a good job with the P-01, I won't hesitate to use them again. Chris Lewis, the tech who worked his magic on the P-01, said he'll take a stab at making the Bit One as good as it can be and actually fix the mods correctly (instead of the way they were from the HAT engineer that cost me a world championship).

[derickveliz2]

It's so sad to see you part away from HAT, but I understand.

There was another sound competition in NY when I was away, my friend won 2nd place again by 1 point.

I'm sure he agrees I'm a few points above him even I'm not in the same category.

He is the one who wrote about my stage:

"I was impressed with the depth of your stage... it seemed to extend beyond the windshield..." and so on!

I wish I could go one day to one of these competitions.

D.

[sqcomp]

You tell me when you decide to take the plunge into competition. I'll have a little insight for you that will open your eyes and net you a few points.

[derickveliz2]

You tell me when you decide to take the plunge into competition. I'll have a little insight for you that will open your eyes and net you a few points.

I will!


D.

[derickveliz2]

I had to re-wire the left speaker inside the door, so I went to a local auto-audio installer and got 18 feet of wire... thinking that it was enough for both sides, since my amp is behind the passenger's door...

Left speaker took 16.5 feet of wire! :iono:

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Whoaa ! Sq you sold most your stuff. Guess i been gone for a bit too long. Ha. Had a new baby boy born in Jan so its been hell getting everything ready then babysitting the wife and the newborn has been a handful.

I sold most my audio which made a few car and cell phone payments. So i have an amp and my front speakers. I cant be completely "noiseless". Most my extra cash has been going towards fishing equipment. And that shit is just as expensive as audio.

Maybe this summer i'll grab another budget system. You'll have to FB message me what happend with the HAT stuff.

[sqcomp]

No need for FB...I'll tell anyone straight out...

HAT's ethical practices are questionable at best. This is specifically true with their own competition team members. When it is found out that the company is buying it's way into competition formats such as IASCA, the objectivity of said formats is put into suspicion.

Even though I was part of the team and very close with the management of the company, I cannot allow myself to remain silent when there is an active movement to stifle competition within the sound off ranks through "covert" support of said organizations and active moves to stifle that news from ever seeing daylight.

This is just one of the company's issues.

I won't take part in any organization that allows this kind of activity while publicly denying culpability in such activities...especially when I've seen it first hand.

As for my equipment? Meh...it's all gone to good homes. All that is except for my 4 channel amp. That's still sitting in the garage. I had back luck on e-bay with some Russians playing the shell game with shipping outside the US.

Other than that it's a brand new system happening and big BIG train horns going in by the end of the month.

[_S7V7N_]

What new brand you going with ? And you got rid of your DD stuff as well ?

[sqcomp]

I'll probably go back to old faithful Audison. If PPI cannot come up with their 5 channel phantom amplifier in the next couple months, I'll move forward with either Audison SR5s or Hertz HDP-5 amplifiers. PPI has been promising that amplifier for two years now. At the pricing available to me, I need to wait to see if that can actually happen versus paying nearly twice as much for a Hertz piece.

I'm resetting the component system with an Audison Voce 3-way. I was thinking of a combination of Voce and Mille...but I really don't need to go all out...especially seein as I'm not going to compete for a few years.

Having talked with the team captain of Team Hybrids, they completely realize that if Elettromedia wanted to put together a competition team, HAT's rule in the competition lanes would be at an end. That realization made me chuckle. It only goes to prove that at the top levels, it's all in the tune...I know, I've seen the tuning techniques from the too players in the car audio world. Phasing, phasing, phasing!

The only DD piece I have left is that 4 channel. Damned good piece. I want to unload it to a good home eventually.

[derickveliz2]

I've seen in many forums that the Mids that I use HERTZ HL-70 are well known to be a "not so good speaker"

Like SQcomp mentions above... it's all about tuning. I'm not saying HAT is not as good as they say, but some day I will have a pair of HAT L3-SE's to test and compare, for now the HERTZ HL-70 will continue to make every body wonder how such a small speaker, installed so low in the kick area sounds so good up front.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yaris%20Deadening/0bcd1eda.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

As with my IASCA run using the Digital Designs amplifiers, they also were thought to be not so good for SQ. Apparently I pissed off quite a few "important" people on the management see of the team by using that brand. I also showed them very wrong.

Bottom line? "Run what you brung". I could care less what brand of equipment anyone is using anymore. I might not like the brand but if it sounds good...it sounds good. There are many MANY different ways to get got the same destination.

I recall a vehicle during last year's SBN that was all home audio off brand type speakers. The guy was a real cool cat. He let me audition the car and we talked for an hour or so about his sound, what he liked, what I liked and what we didn't like.

I had Scott Buwalda sit in the vehicle. He came out saying, "We have to get that guy on the team." Now...why is that? Not because he was an amazing fabricator or was running miraculous speakers...it turns out the kid tuned the car well. What Scott wanted to do was to eliminate competition by bringing him onto the team (ultimately). I recently talked to him and congratulated him on not falling for the trap.

Reiteration...the tune is what will set you apart from everyone else. With enough flexibility one can make similar speakers sound very much alike...so much so that you won't be able to hear a difference.

Derick - let me know when you have a few dollars to spend on some L3s or L3SEs. I'll try to find some at a steal. If it makes our collective point, Jeremy Weaver won the Amateur world championship using 1st gen L3s. Damned fine sounding XB! One of the very best I've heard.

[_S7V7N_]

Sq we both commented on a post about a week ago pertaining to brand and speakers. People are always gonna say " that brand is trash " just because there sisters boyfriends brothers cousin ran that crap and he blew it inna week ". Which ultimately the gains were set incorrectly they were using speaker wire for Power/Ground. I use a few off brands and i've heard the whole your stuff is crap till i turn it on and put there 2k system to shame.

[sqcomp]

Of all the things...proper setup is a graduation from beginner level systems into pro levels.

So many people still don't get it.

[_S7V7N_]

Sq how could you ruin DD's image of being really damn good in SPL only. Now they're just as good in SQL as well !! Loll

There's a huge misconception if you buy brand #A that it's automatically going to sound better than Budget Brand #B. It's all in the installation. Now put them in the exact same professional install there's still a chance you wouldn't be able to pick out the brands.

Now the quality and the longevity of Brand #B is hopefully wayyy better. If not why did we just spend $200. Vs something that does the same thing for $60.

It would be fun to see you use some budget speakers in that install Sq and change the brand tags.

[sqcomp]

Budget speakers...those Voces are budget. Well...at least compared to the Legatia SE line they are. :)

They're less than half the cost. Betcha they'll sound just as good though. That being said, HAT is overcharging for their speakers anyway. I know, I have all the pricing tiers memorized.

Honestly, if one wants to buy HAT stuff, buy it used. You will get a good speaker for much more of a bargain. There are enough people out there being snowed to find used stuff around here and there. I sold all my HAT gear within 24-48 hours of posting it.

...that being said, I still have a pair of the L1 Pro SEs that need to be rebuilt. I think I'll use them for target practice, video tape it and post it on DIYMA. THAT should ruffle some feathers.

As for the brand comparison...with speakers you can differentiate easily enough. Amplifiers are able to be differentiated BUT that isn't due to the "power of the Watt"... There is no such thing. A Watt is a Watt. That being said, the route the signal must travel through on the amplifier will change the sound. Depending on the changes, sometimes you'll hear the difference. Most of what we're hearing is due to internal crossovers and/or the actual amplitude difference of the signal. A proper double blind A to B test has to be painstakingly setup to measure.

Think of it this way, is a single HP greater from a Chevy engine or a Ford engine? Neither, they're both the same measure.

[derickveliz2]

I made an experiment today, I put my old Pioneer Tweeters and tune them until they sounded as good as the others I have!

Just for the record: my tweeters are x-over at 10 kHz so there is not much stress on them, these little puppies do just fine! and...

you know me, I always want to get the most of the knowledge and experience, I'm going to try to get more "Width" taking advantage of the smaller size. I know I may sacrifice "Depth" a little bit... lets see what happens!

Remember...

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/tweeters/ec128790.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/tweeters/c2ce6ade.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/tweeters/30c19418.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

I'm smiling from ear to ear...

...it's all in the tune...

[_S7V7N_]

Imma give these a run during the summer. Soon as i get all my fishing gear in order.. :iono:

Also wanna mess around with some 5.25's in some pvc enclosures on the rear dash. Just to mess a round a bit.



http://www.autotoys.com/pics/2XL60C.jpg


Power Handling: 360W peak per pair (180 watts), RMS: 180W per pair / 90 watts each side
50/50 Wool blend cone delivers smooth, natural sound reproduction
Butyl rubber surround
Pivot point 1" silk dome tweeter for accurate treble
Mounting kit for the tweeter allows the tweeter to focus the sound in the needed direction
Convertible mounting system allows the speakers to be mounted as a separate component system or a coaxial speaker
Rigid tooled basket with a stainless steel finish
Heavy motor structure with protective boot increases the power handling
PBX custom grille included protects your speakers and makes them look great
External 12dB 2-way crossover network
3 ohms impedance
High temperature voice coil
Top-mount depth: 2-1/2"
Sensitivity: 91 dB
Frequency Response: 59 - 20,000 Hz


P.s @Sq do you guys carry any of these ?

http://i.seimg.net/images/501676/big/onx4125.jpg

[sqcomp]

^ We used to push the Maxxsonics lines (MB Quart) and Powerbass. We're heavy into PPI now and Digital Designs. Being a mouthpiece for the shop, take a look at the PPI P900.4...Since PPI is still absent with their 5 channel, I'm having to use two of these for my left and right amplification (as a 3 channel).

Whatever you choose...let's take some time (you, me and Derick) to make sure you have this tuned as well as you can.

[_S7V7N_]

Looks like the RMS is under rated. I wouldn't mind trying them out. Depends what kinda price you can get them for. (or you'd be able to sell them to me for )

I'm probably gonna sell off my current 4 channel and my Headunit. Bored with everything already. Prob get a Pioneer Headunit, the one that lets you DJ on it..:eek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfH9ZW25tLA


Then the pvc enclosure things are going to be a demo/test project cause i've had a few people ask what they can put in there boats that won't get wet, rust, sound like crap...etc....So imma make a lil sumtin sumtin..Patent Pending :evil: haha...But i want that 4 channel to push some 5.25's and a set of Bullet tweeters on the Rear Deck. Looking at some Soundstream with the Tarantula grill.(Just going for looks on that ) Have to make it look hellafied to impress the boaters. I'll deff need some tuning advice, Since Derick has done something similar in the past it'll be nice to get some input. Also a boat is a whole different ball game.

Shoot me a Pm on the prices of that amp. I may start to take offers on my current amp, But i really don't want to get anything started till May or so. Wife will get annoyed if i'm working on more than one project. Loll I'll get the whole " wasting Money" Pep talk. So for right now FIshing !!:bow:

[MyzticZ3r0]

Moved!

[_S7V7N_]

Bro make a whole new post. And you've come to the right place. SQ may have just the amp for you but in a diff post. Just copy paste it. Whats your budget.

[MyzticZ3r0]

Bro make a whole new post. And you've come to the right place. SQ may have just the amp for you but in a diff post. Just copy paste it. Whats your budget.

Thanks s7v7n - should've thought of that from the get-go!

[derickveliz2]

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Guys did any body got the WARRANTY ENHANCEMENT NOTICE? for the Front suspension Lower Arm No.2 Bolt



https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cSZ3sG6JM9A/UT6dstxCl0I/AAAAAAAAtgI/aDdtlF7UbFA/s1062/photo+%2810%29.JPG


Also, what do you think about this, is it worth?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NpKRxNDwB-0/UT6cPqMIEUI/AAAAAAAAtf8/y7vjeqJM-0Y/s698/Fullscreen+capture+3112013+110808+PM.bmp.jpg




D.

[TOLMACH]

get this http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBD2-OBDII-Bluetooth-Wireless-ELM327-Interface-Auto-Car-Diagnostic-Scanner-Tool-/121079784512?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item1c30eae440&vxp=mtr

plus install TORQUE software..
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque&hl=en

cheaper ))))))))

[derickveliz2]

Thanks TOLMACH, I forgot to check APPs

Do you have one of these?

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Derick did that notice come in the Mail ? I haven't gotten one yet.(07 Sedan )

[derickveliz2]

Derick did that notice come in the Mail ? I haven't gotten one yet.(07 Sedan )

Yes.

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Looks serious..put it in google and there's been several issues...bolts rust out. And you live where it snows so worse for you...deff get that checked out D.

[derickveliz2]

Looks serious..put it in google and there's been several issues...bolts rust out. And you live where it snows so worse for you...deff get that checked out D.

Yeah!
I'm schedule for tomorrow afternoon,
They say that will be available for a period of 7 years from the vehicles date of first use or 100,000 miles...

Oops I'm at 98,000 miles! right on time.

D.

[sqcomp]

I'm trying to catch up to you D! I'm at 94K...

[Alien Mantis]

I see you are into PPI now. I was looking at these the other day:

[Alien Mantis]

I'm trying to catch up to you D! I'm at 94K...

My `08 is almost at 12k now. Got some Castrol GTX and a oem oil/air filter for it when it gets there!

:biggrin:

As much as I like those PPI 3-way components... i'm just not at all enthused about pulling panels again and doing a bunch of rewiring.
I would need an amp to push them, so I would need to buy a 2-channel amp, and then relocate my sub amp to the rear.

Everytime I think about upgrading, I just go for a drive and decide I like it the way it is.

:rolleyes:

[Alien Mantis]

.

Guys did any body got the WARRANTY ENHANCEMENT NOTICE? for the Front suspension Lower Arm No.2 Bolt
D.

I got one too. I'm not doing anything about it. It's not an issue for me.

:smoking:

[TOLMACH]

^ These are very good looking speakers.

Do you work for SonicElectronix?

[sqcomp]

I'm wary of the PPI components. The thing for me is that I know that I can make them sound good regardless. I was going to go with some Audison speakers but PPI is writing code for their new processor. Since I've competed with processors, they're looking for input.

What does that have to do with the three way speakers? If I go all PPI, it greased the proverbial skids between me, the shop, the programmer and PPI.

In essence I'll be beta testing the PPI processor.

[derickveliz2]

I'm trying to cover the a-pillars with the same material as my Dash-Mat...

not easy

D.

[sqcomp]

Pics man...pics!

[derickveliz2]

Pics man...pics!

I'll get some photos... but

Looks bad... the foam was folded and you can tell where the material has marks of each fold, I guess they will go away with time or with some heat.

My point is not to look stock or fancy (Pretty) this material has 3 layers, the middle one is Foam, and I'm just trying to minimize all reflective surfaces, too bad I can't put it over the windshield and windows.

It's that first square sample on the Left:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32803&stc=1&d=1269548411

D.

[sqcomp]

Do you want to drive with the covering?

How about creating window covers out of foam? Something you can put in place when doing demos...

...I suggest this because, well, I've done it before. I know how it changes the sound. And yes, it literally changes the sound because it absorbs certain frequencies and reflections. It ended up making the car into a mini anechoic chamber.

[derickveliz2]

Pics man...pics!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A0E30346-E8A6-4D88-A7E4-D57B7F059AF1-18630-00001209F51B07B0.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/2228d388-df11-447d-8345-158d81d27acc.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

Do you want to drive with the covering?

How about creating window covers out of foam? Something you can put in place when doing demos...

...I suggest this because, well, I've done it before. I know how it changes the sound. And yes, it literally changes the sound because it absorbs certain frequencies and reflections. It ended up making the car into a mini anechoic chamber.

Not really, I think I would like to keep it driveable, as awkward as it sounds I still tune for the road, I know I would like to enter in a competition some day to see where my system stands out compare to professionals and high end systems. I guess I'm going to have to tweak my tuning for that, but I feel comfortable doing that for the competition.

For demos... the foam covers on the windows, I would love to do that but with transparent foam that I guess doesn't exist.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Update...

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/YarisSQsystemlayout_2.jpg

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Derick your amps under your seats ?

[derickveliz2]

Derick your amps under your seats ?

No, they are too big to slide under the seats, 2 are under a false floor behind the seats, the 3rd amp is in the trunk.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Work in progress...

Showing the Pioneer Tweeters as far apart from each other to acquire the widest stage possible:

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/Dashboard.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

The interesting thin about those tweeter locations is that is goes against the PLD theory/practice. That being said, depending on the crossover point, you may be fine.

What are your thoughts so far?

[derickveliz2]

The interesting thin about those tweeter locations is that is goes against the PLD theory/practice. That being said, depending on the crossover point, you may be fine.

What are your thoughts so far?

Since my Mids (point source) runs from 250 Hz to 8 kHz the tweeter only picks up at 10 kHz and up. PLDs theory doesn't apply to tweeters playing that range I kind of use a little bit of T/A then L+R EQ with some L+R Levels to match the center image with the Mids, Honestly depending on the track the tweeters completely disappear in stage, I just can't localize them.

And compare the tweeters in the a-pillars the reflections from the windshield made tuning the tweeters a lot harder than next to the sailpanels, where I get a straight path to my ears with less reflections.

The Mids are taking all the T/A with L+R EQ I can get (it's not a lot though), taking advantage of only 9" of PLDs it's very easy to center the image and as far forward I physically can.



One more thing that I wanted to ask you: Talking about Subwoofer and Lows...

-What about tuning the Subwoofer and Lows? I've done it by ear moving around the x-over points and slopes, to the point the BASS is Natural and feels really good no matter what kind of music I play, but ...

there should be a good technic using low frequencies and what I've seen called swipes or some thing like that, playing low notes back a forth, but ...

How do I do this in a theoretical way? :iono:

D.

[sqcomp]

I know what you're talking about with the crossover point on the tweeters. Take a look at the frequency graph that illustrates where the range of each instrument lays. That'll give you a reinforcement of the reference for your tuning techniques.

Phasing becomes an interesting beast when getting into the lower mid bass. At 60-75 Hz, location becomes much more challenging.

[derickveliz2]

What do I need to not embarrass my self in a show like this?



https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-aRNitSyI5XE/UVWvxdndZfI/AAAAAAAAtlk/ks2vMHYDeUU/s640/photo+%2814%29.JPG


D.

[sqcomp]

First, do NOT enter any of the install classes just yet. Not that you can't, however it is more about finding what the judges are looking for according to the rules is what your goal should be in that type of class. When you can during the competition, shadow the judges for install and see how they judge. Also, it makes sense to have a copy of the rules so you aren't blind sided by anything. Also know that both sactioning bodies (Moe Sabourin for IASCA and Steve Stern for MECA) will "reward" you with points for being a member before your competition run. This is only a way of raking in the money for the organizations, understandably. I know you want to win straight out and never ever lose. That's the wrong mind set. You want to learn and gain objective opinions. Know that this is very difficult to do as we ALL have our biases. The same WILL happen the higher you get into competition, whether people will admit it or not. I've seen bias and politics rear it's ugly head all too often. I would take whatever "points buffer" that they offer and add it to your score if you decide not to join the leagues. Let's say you are off of 1st place by 3 points. If you allow for the IASCA "bonus" of 5 points for membership, you'll know you would have won out over the IASCA member in 1st place (for example).

Now, what I would do is to go to the show, and enter the IASCA Amateur class SQc. I don't think you're technically allowed to enter the Rookie class due to the modifcations of the pillars.

Now, the stinky part for you Derick is that in MECA SQL you'll be stuck in the Modified class because of the location of the subwoofer and the dash pad.

Still, enter those two sound classes and listen for the judges feedback. DO NOT change anything until you get back home and thuroughly review the feedback. Then and ONLY ten make changes if you deem it needed at that time. Why? I've seen MANY competitors change something the night before or the day of and even the day after the competition and completely wreck themselves over someone's subjective opinion.

Don't fall into that trap. Make changes only after careful review and scrutiny.

I still need to e-mail you SB's build log on the "expert" class G35. It's really a fluffed up pro class car honestly. Still, the insight will provide you with how much goes into a true IQc run. I have another build log from another IASCA "world champion" rookie vehicle I can send you. I can also get you a copy of last year's IASCA rulebook. I've been distracted with real life and have neglected to send those to you, I apologize.

Also note that joining either of those leagues will cost over and above the entry fees for the show.

[sqcomp]

One addendum regarding attitude...

The following is my not so humble opinion:

The reason why I blow off the membership to these leagues is because of the blatant politics that I've personally seen and even had to take part in as a judge for IASCA and event promoter. If some "big hitter" doesn't get their way or if you're beating them in the scorecards and they somehow get a peek...I've seen world champions throw literal temper tantrums at the mere thought of placing second.

Look, it's only a trophy...and a cheap one at that.

What really matters is that you have great sound. Don't get too wrapped around the axle about harvesting trophies. If you really truly want a trophy, I'll order one for you that says you're flippin' Superman for all I care.

Be and do the right thing. Be gracious to those around you and don't fall into the trap of uber-competitiveness. It just turns you into an elitist jackass and turns the kids who look at this as a future hobby away because of the bad example set. There are industry "giants" out there that will shake your hand and then turn and do whatever they need to to kill your chances at success. I've seen it happen all too often.

Don't be THAT guy.

[_S7V7N_]

Derick just go in there humble and have some fun. Talk to as many people as possible. Be nice and courteous. Expect a bit of bias for the guys throwing the show. Don't be surprised if they take 1st 2nd and 3rd. It's not right, but i've seen it happen.

Also you may hear a bit of crap about what equipment you use, or the car you drive. Some guys can be a bit snobby. To them it's all about buying and paying for high end audio, which I'm sure the shop sells some top of the line stuff, so anything else is " garbage".

So go in have fun, and prepare to hear alot of trash talk...Loll..

[derickveliz2]

I've been dreaming or should I say I've been having nightmares about going to a competition.

I don't care if I'm first place, last or second, I enjoy what I've done to my car, to me sounds great! there isn't much that I would like to do to improve it even more; I'm happy and...
my little Yaris may not last long, so I would like to give it a chance and let him swim with other fish.

What I really would like is... to go over the experience of exposing what I created with the judges and having their opinion, talking to other enthusiast/professionals about their systems and to listen what have they accomplished and how they got there and why.

In the Auto-Audio industry there are so many variables, just thinking about it... every body has different ears. What I hear may not be the same for others. I know SQ it's not for everybody. Some people could care less about it, some others would go crazy, more people would go WOW! for a thumping system that you can feel hundreds of feet away... I go WOW too, but once I get inside in the drivers position, it's another story, I believe this is a selfish section of the hobby, because everything is set up for your driving position, your ears and your taste.

I read about MECA and modified class, for me it's great...! because I've accomplished with a simple, inexpensive solution get most of a system without going nuts! disadvantage?... not really I'm not trying to win. I just want to have some fun.

D.

[derickveliz2]

I forgot to mention that I will be taking lots of pictures!

D.

[sqcomp]

Derick,

I just e-mailed you the sky drive link to the install photo book for the G35. It will provide you a great insight to what a top level phot book for an install challenge run would take.

Now, what did you mean in your other post regarding your Yaris not lasting too much longer? Are you going to be getting another vehicle soon?

What was said about the attitude of other competitors is absolutely true. Anyone that tries to deny it is sadly mistaken and/or trying to hide from reality. I've seen it as well at the highest level. Heck, Steve Stern himself made it known that HAT gear wasn't welcome at his shows. That may have died down BUT, it's not forgotten. There's a whole level of petty politics played at the top levels by the small minded people that run and compete. Heck I still have a copy somewhere of Stern's letter to Buwalda basically damning him from MECA competition...over money...

Stay as far away from it as you can Derick. I say this sincerely. Do what you need to do to have fun at the local shows but don't even think of becoming involved with anything bigger. It'll just drag you down, I don't want to see that happen.

[derickveliz2]

Thanks for all the info you sent me Sqcomp, I have one 1st question,

is there any way to be judged by Audio only

and...No I don't want to replace the Yaris, I just said that because it's getting tired and I see a lot of rust, wear and I can see my self changing disk-brakes, shocks and muffler, etc soon.

If I get to go... I'll have fun. for sure!!!

For example yesterday I gave a ride to a kid from church (teenager), once at his house I asked him if he liked music, I told him to seat behind the steering wheel, close his eyes and relax! That I had a special song I wanted him to listen.

I moved to the rear seat and play the song using the remote control of the HU, he was thrilled to the point that at the end of the song he was begging me for a copy.

That's it! he thought it was a magical song that according to him it had the singers and instruments sounds like coming from different places. jj :w00t:

D.

[sqcomp]

That was the suggestion.

Absolutely, compete in the two formats but sound only. As someone who has competed, judged and put on sanctioned shows...it'll be less stress on you. Enter ISACA's IQc as an amateur and MECA's SQl Modified class.

What you should do is watch the install presentations if at all possible. If you find that you want to do the presentation for that class, I'll work with you on putting together a photo book and if somehow we can manage, we can practice the presentation to the judge regarding your system.

Thoughts?

I've also been looking at a different project. I really want to get to the racetrack more often. Last night I went to the local drag races and spoke with a few people about their rigs. I'm floating away from the import scene and gravitating to the old American iron. There are lots of cars I'd like to try my hand at. We'll see where these next couple years take me with the military.

I've also been talking with Garm about the Yaris as well. We'll see about building a mill that will do my spirit justice out on the road...

[derickveliz2]

If I can make it to the show, I will go for Audio and skip the Presentation.

Racing it's awesome, of course I race with the Yaris @ 44 MPG
I did enough racing when I was in my 20s LOL

But give me power and I'll be flying! :thumbsup:

D.

[sqcomp]

I wouldn't waste my time or money on the Yaris as a racing platform. Sorry to all the hardcore fanatics out there. I'd spend 20k to get a Yaris engine where I wanted it...the same amount in an 8 cylinder setup is just going to provide more potential.

I'm looking at a 1965 chevy truck 496 cu. in. power glide with trans brake, 513 rearend gear with spool, line lock and some nitrous plumbed in for $hits and giggles. It's set up for the pro street class in drag racing. I have a place to store and wrench on it and it's at a price I can't overlook...

[derickveliz2]

A Guru question... :confused:

I've notice that early in the morning the Center Image is slightly to the left and when I come back at the end of the day the Center Image goes back to the center.

It's very little but I can tell the difference and I tweak it back and forth on the road to bring it back exactly to the center...

Is this due to weather conditions, (Humidity, Pressure, Temperature, etc)?

I know some songs have the center image off by a little but I've seen this on specific tracks with Center Image right on center.

Just curious... I'm guessing the atmospheric conditions affect physical aspects of the speakers and so on.

or

My ears and my way of listening changes through the day/night? :iono:

D.

[sqcomp]

That's tough question. I know exactly what you're talking about though.

What I need you to do is to find a phasing track and run it through all of your speakers independently. Make sure your phasing is on before we blame anything else.

[derickveliz2]

That's tough question. I know exactly what you're talking about though.

What I need you to do is to find a phasing track and run it through all of your speakers independently. Make sure your phasing is on before we blame anything else.

Maybe I know but describe to me a phasing track?

D.

[sqcomp]

A track where you have a voice that is presented in phase and then out of phase.

Don't worry, I'll send you a couple.

[_S7V7N_]

D do you have your headlights on in the morning ? And not when you come home ? Maybe heater or ac. Could be experiencing volatage drop. And it's effecting your amp.

I used to think my audio sounded louder at nite than during the day.

[derickveliz2]

A track where you have a voice that is presented in phase and then out of phase.

Don't worry, I'll send you a couple.

Thank you,

I have the one from IASCA, but what do I do? play it with Tweeters only, Mids only, Lows only?

or what's the process?

D.

[derickveliz2]

D do you have your headlights on in the morning ? And not when you come home ? Maybe heater or ac. Could be experiencing volatage drop. And it's effecting your amp.

I used to think my audio sounded louder at nite than during the day.


Lights are on, heating is on or AC all the time but I see the volt-meter at:

14.1 v in iddle

13.9 v cruising

It's not about sound level, it's just the Center Image that moves 2 or 3 inches left or right.

Thanks :thumbsup:

D.

[sqcomp]

The IASCA one is okay but the vocal range of the female isn't the best. You needs make voice track. There's one on a USACi disc.

What you do is play that track through each pair of speakers, muting the rest. It'll take a little while. But switching phase if the speaker sounds out of phase should bring the imaging snap center and raise the stage a little. It's almost a night and day difference.

...the catch? You need to have your speakers level matched off an RTA.i wish I had a day to spend with your car...

[derickveliz2]

The IASCA one is okay but the vocal range of the female isn't the best. You needs make voice track. There's one on a USACi disc.

What you do is play that track through each pair of speakers, muting the rest. It'll take a little while. But switching phase if the speaker sounds out of phase should bring the imaging snap center and raise the stage a little. It's almost a night and day difference.

...the catch? You need to have your speakers level matched off an RTA.

I've done that before but without muting all the other speakers and leaving a single pair, I will try that tomorrow.

Now speakers level matched...? is this when you run pink noise and with the EQ try to lower the peaks and level the valleys? while looking at the RTA with the Mic on pilots side (sweet spot)?

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Lights are on, heating is on or AC all the time but I see the volt-meter at:

14.1 v in iddle

13.9 v cruising

It's not about sound level, it's just the Center Image that moves 2 or 3 inches left or right.

Thanks :thumbsup:

D.

Where's your voltmeter connected ?

If you say battery that still isn't what the amps seeing...since you have 3 amps.

You have a 4 channel amp correct ? 2 channels per each side correct ? I'm going to ask a question, if you messed with the gains on one of the L or R channels of that amp...would it move the image ?

[derickveliz2]

Where's your voltmeter connected ?

If you say battery that still isn't what the amps seeing...since you have 3 amps.

You have a 4 channel amp correct ? 2 channels per each side correct ? I'm going to ask a question, if you messed with the gains on one of the L or R channels of that amp...would it move the image ?

P-99 Head Unit comes with a voltmeter. The connection... I don't know.:iono:

Yes I have 3 amps.

Gains? it's one gain per channel, right and left together.

D.

[sqcomp]

On the RTA...

You'll want a pink noise track.

Place the microphone at ear level.

Mute all speakers except one (tweeter for instance).

Get the level on the speaker to read fairly flat across it's listenable major bandwidth on the 1/3 octave.

Write down the levels on each band.

Mute that speaker, then switch to the other side tweeter and repeat.

Match the speaker levels for the pair using the measurements from the first tweeter.

Once those two match, mute them both and move on to the next speakers, repeat the process for all speakers.

[sqcomp]

And yes, different gains can change the sound...

Honestly, there are many variables that can alter the image and stage.

I've also found that the P-99 voltmeter under rates your voltage slightly off battery measurement. There are also explanations for this...

[derickveliz2]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Almost 3 am...

I just finished filing my Taxes, what a relieve! now I can prepare for the 21st!

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Thought so, Loll i guess i trouble shoot from the hardware side of things vs the processing side of it.

Reason I asked about voltage is i thought D had recently rewired a speaker, due to a loose connection ?

I'll let you guys trouble shoot and maybe it's all in the processing. I deff wouldn't rule out an RCA cable, or even a channel on the amp. What is being perceived as the center image moving could be the early signs of something giving out.

Sq how did you know something had went out at finals ? Was there any warning at all ?

[sqcomp]

^are you asking how did I know something went wrong at finals with my processor?

If that is the question, the answer is because the week before finals I had heard crackling in the right side. The night before the crackling increased and then the entire system went to full volume for a second then...dead silence.

In a matter of hours I had to NASCAR the hell out of the system. My cousin and I were throwing panels left and right, taking seats out, removing carpet...

It happened on finals day as well. Noise noise noise! GRRRRR! Noise in the source. We tried everything we knew to eliminate signal path noise. From chassis grounding the source and amps to the "magic" wire on the RCAs.

It ended up that somehow feedback from the processor "explosion" fed back to the deck and partially killed that as well.

Rule #1...don't have some yahoo mod your $hit!

That is one of my many issues that I have with Team Hybrids. Apparently they never felt the need to let me know that Jeremy Carlson's failure rate on his mods was nearly 100%. I found that out after finals...oh boy! I went to the moon! I still get heated just thinking about it. It's called integrity and being forthcoming about results. Boy, did that not happen.

[_S7V7N_]

Lollll. Sounds like he just soldered some sh!t together and said "here. Try this "

I'd deff check the voltage at the amp for the mids and highs in the morning. Then again on the way home. We usually asks how summer and heat effects our audio equipment. But how does extreme cold.

[sqcomp]

Yeah...something like that. I now have a paperweight that Pyramid Audio can't fix because Audison won't release the schematics. I could go through a back door deal to get the schematics but it just isn't worth my time and effort.

I'll prolly sell it on eBay as a replacement parts piece for $100 shipped.

There's no way I'm having the guy who originally modded the piece EVER touch anything of mine again. Heck, I've napalmed the HAT/Team Hybrids bridge so hard that my name is on their untouchables list.

...funny thing is, I'm happier being on that list. At least I won't get screwed by my own "team".

[_S7V7N_]

Send me a part number and what it is. Never know

Also. Ever heard of amp medics. Think they're in FL. May be able to explain the situation and have them troubleshoot it to factory condition.

[sqcomp]

Derick,

...2 hours of file transfers...

That's just placing files from one hard drive to another. I've still got to look at my original HD then cherry pick files from my current laptop...

[derickveliz2]

Derick,

...2 hours of file transfers...

That's just placing files from one hard drive to another. I've still got to look at my original HD then cherry pick files from my current laptop...

That's awesome :thumbup: Thank you,

D.

[derickveliz2]

The IASCA one is okay but the vocal range of the female isn't the best. You needs make voice track. There's one on a USACi disc.

What you do is play that track through each pair of speakers, muting the rest. It'll take a little while. But switching phase if the speaker sounds out of phase should bring the imaging snap center and raise the stage a little. It's almost a night and day difference.

...the catch? You need to have your speakers level matched off an RTA.i wish I had a day to spend with your car...


I went through this many times, I believe I can recognize when is out of phase and how to correct it, Cool.

Now I'm going to do the RTA level match for the speakers.

D.

[derickveliz2]

So I put some of this stuff that looks like egg foam under the dash, near the MIDs specially on hard surfaces and where the sound wave of the MIDs and LOWs would hit before hitting my ears.

The issues here are "reflections" ...


After the foam was attached with double side heavy duty tape and turn my music and Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

My stage was gone, couldn't imagine how big the difference it makes. So I started tuning especially with individual frequencies, Levels, L+R EQ and T/A

In the middle of this process, some thing funny and at the same time educative happened:

When I was centering on 2.5 kHz with the L+R EQ the signal was hitting my left ear no matter what I did to the EQ, I started blocking with my foot and hand the left mid and left tweeter and nothing... then I noticed that when moving my hand near the left window (pilot's side) the signal would turn down. it was the Right MID hitting the glass on my left side then hitting my left ear. Who would imagine. :iono:


http://www.foambymail.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/EC1-5-L.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

For the hell of it, put it on your back window. See what happens.

The HD is going out tomorrow. I'll call you if there are any Q's.

[derickveliz2]

For the hell of it, put it on your back window. See what happens.

I don't have more Foam to play with, but I've been playing with this shade...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-47VwcUeOxlU/UWj-D8SiX9I/AAAAAAAAtqM/Qv3uKnpVpGg/s946/image+%283%29.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WcFKAQYa_Uw/UWj-HUHWOXI/AAAAAAAAtqc/qZKImJvpBTs/s1061/image+%282%29.jpg

It does help.

D.

[derickveliz2]

NEW MPG RECORD!!!

45.55 MPG! That's 20 miles per gallon more than the Sienna!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BCdz4-a8haM/UWj8Vlp7x0I/AAAAAAAAtqA/bC8dJPwLwag/s801/photo+%2817%29.JPG


And ready to hit 100K miles (check the numbers... 56789)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Kg-YPsOjO2Y/UWj-GujjgGI/AAAAAAAAtqU/rBTVsKemMhI/s801/photo+%2817%29.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

You don't want to know...

Me screwing up with the Auto T/A and EQ in my HU....

:eyebulge: "Everything is GONE" :iono: :confused: :cry: :brokenheart: :frown:

I had to start from scratch... 2 days later I'm where I was! and beyond... even better... :thumbsup: :thumbup:

The Yaris is getting very intimidating... :wub:

Even the RTA from my phone looks much better...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YzU55VVqVaI/UWj8HI14fLI/AAAAAAAAtp4/RKcOVEPky80/s958/Fullscreen+capture+4132013+23159+AM.bmp.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

Forgot to mention,

New Rubber for Spring!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o5NlE2QOg9c/UWkBULjBMWI/AAAAAAAAtqw/ysPEEACEGhY/s786/photo+%2818%29.JPG

[MyzticZ3r0]

I could've sworn you had different wheels. Did you switch em out for your summer wheels?

[derickveliz2]

I could've sworn you had different wheels. Did you switch em out for your summer wheels?

Yes the black ones are for summer and the OEM for winter.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HSlgHQ5dqP4/T_5i-Acxf_I/AAAAAAAApOE/pPvzU7BLlXM/s797/1-062612104328.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-yo_ThkIKEck/UG-oBwcqrYI/AAAAAAAAqws/fTTFF4DvgW4/s1062/100512090053.jpg



D.

[sqcomp]

Let me know when you get the HD. I would like to hear your thoughts on all the music.

[why?]

nice. 45 mpg is awesome. Of course I am pretty sure the sedan generally gets better gas mileage. I am happy getting 32 mpg right now because I only drive 250 miles or so a month.

gah i need to start on my audio plans, tax season is almost over finally.

[Kar98]

Of course I am pretty sure the sedan generally gets better gas mileage.

Why ever would you think that?

[sqcomp]

gah i need to start on my audio plans, tax season is almost over finally.

Yes you do...I want pics.

Something tells me you will come up with something good. :headbang:

[TOLMACH]

You don't want to know...

Me screwing up with the Auto T/A and EQ in my HU....

:eyebulge: "Everything is GONE" :iono: :confused: :cry: :brokenheart: :frown:

I had to start from scratch... 2 days later I'm where I was! and beyond... even better... :thumbsup: :thumbup:

The Yaris is getting very intimidating... :wub:

Even the RTA from my phone looks much better...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YzU55VVqVaI/UWj8HI14fLI/AAAAAAAAtp4/RKcOVEPky80/s958/Fullscreen+capture+4132013+23159+AM.bmp.jpg

D.

Are you using pink noise for RTA measurements?

[derickveliz2]

Are you using pink noise for RTA measurements?

Yes, when I saved that screen shot pink noise was playing.
What should I used?
Do you need a special track?

D.

[derickveliz2]

I got this from the thread that is promoting the competitions next week,
that's what they are looking for: and just so you know that's not me asking...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6oydwwPBx_s/UWrmrA-z7YI/AAAAAAAAtrI/YqAgWKW4BeY/s1062/Fullscreen+capture+4142013+12343+PM.bmp.jpg

D.

[TOLMACH]

Yes, when I saved that screen shot pink noise was playing.
What should I used?
Do you need a special track?

D.

Pink noise is ok. I believe your device microphone has issues .. 60-200 hz range does not seem realistic ..

[derickveliz2]

Pink noise is ok. I believe your device microphone has issues .. 60-200 hz range does not seem realistic ..

I don't blame you, it's just a cell phone! jj :cry:

D.

[TOLMACH]

just use the external mike.. the one that came with me HK receiver does the job

[derickveliz2]

just use the external mike.. the one that came with me HK receiver does the job

Ok, thanks I'll give it a try.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Remember about this..?

Well I think I like it but I don't like it.

Well it's just for Shows. BTW... Friday I'll get the black wheels on! with new rubber...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NDEQ64kfOyc/UW4rX92XIOI/AAAAAAAAtrs/By9Kx-o4KRg/s840/Yaris+Placa.JPG

D.

[sqcomp]

I should send you one of my rule books for IASCA.

Not a lot has changed in the program for a long time, save for classifications (for the most part).

[derickveliz2]

I should send you one of my rule books for IASCA.

Not a lot has changed in the program for a long time, save for classifications (for the most part).

Cool!

I'm picking up the drive 1st thing tomorrow.

Black wheels are in place! Yaris is back!

D.

[derickveliz2]

Let me know when you get the HD. I would like to hear your thoughts on all the music.

I got the drive, 1 million thank yous!

D.

[derickveliz2]

First 60 miles with black wheels and new tires...
what can I say going from old snow tires the ride feels like heaven.

The ride is quiet, smooth and responsive, so far I like the new rubber.

Some thing I found very interesting... what's going on with people and my Yaris with "black wheels"

for some reason a lot of cars where trying to race the little Yaris this morning... Naahhh I just let them go and think...

"man! my car sounds better than yours"

D.

[derickveliz2]

Why ever would you think that?

Maybe because HB are FASTER!!! :burnrubber:


D.

[derickveliz2]

Let me know when you get the HD. I would like to hear your thoughts on all the music.

WOW!!! :thumbsup:

:eyebulge: 5,614 Files, will I ever going to listen to every track.

YES I'M!

Thanks again...

do you have some in specific tracks? that I should go through?

D.

[sqcomp]

There are SOOO many! The single tracks are the latest of what I'm listening to...

The King's Singers, Brooke Frasier, Canadian Brass, the Focal CDs, the SQ CD file...

There are just so many. MJ's albums.

You'll have some repeats in there but a vast majority is all different.

...of course go through the IASCA CD.

[why?]

Why ever would you think that?

Look who gets the best gas mileage. Derrick here averages 42, Malibuguy gets ridiculous, and just browsing the fe forum, besides STC and Hershey, the ones at the top all have sedans. Plus, the extra length of the sedans help gas mileage. There are reports out Car companies are having tough times with the smaller than sub compacts achieving worthy gas mileage because the cars are just too short.

Yes you do...I want pics.


Uh oh.


Something tells me you will come up with something good. :headbang:

I need to think on the definition of good. At this point I am worried if I buy expensive stuff right off I will blow them up. If I start with cheap components and good wires, when I figure everything out and blow up the cheap speakers, I can replace them with better ones that won't be destroyed.

I browsed Scott's build on that Infiniti on line. Oh my. Even just the wiring. Overkill much? Does it really take some super compound wires to win World Championships?

Hey D, are there any audio meet ups coming up? The DIYMA forums seem surprisingly empty on any audio meets in Mass. Unless that type of stuff all happens at shows. Or I am blind. Both are possibilities.

[derickveliz2]

Hey D, are there any audio meet ups coming up? The DIYMA forums seem surprisingly empty on any audio meets in Mass. Unless that type of stuff all happens at shows. Or I am blind. Both are possibilities.

Right now we will meet on 4/21 in Syracuse NY, after that something will come out, I will post it here.

But we could make a Yaris/Audio meet any time you want, I'm sure CTScott, and other YarisWorld members will join us too.

D.

[derickveliz2]

I browsed Scott's build on that Infiniti on line. Oh my. Even just the wiring. Overkill much? Does it really take some super compound wires to win World Championships?


You could take my approach, and start little by little, for example... my sound system, without a professional install that sounds good. Scott's Infiniti is more a car for shows with extreme detail on everything not only in Sound Quality.

D.

[sqcomp]

Don't build up "Scott's" G35 too much.

I had plenty of time in it. I can guarantee my low end in my 2011 iteration of a sound system was much better. I'd also put the rest of the sound against it any day. The real reason it sounds good is the MANY hours of tuning...not the equipment.

Now that you guys have seen what it takes to make an IQc install...approach competition in that class carefully. The politics in the bigger shows is outrageous. I've personally seen Scott throw a fit (a very disgusting sight) when he wasn't guaranteed a win. Stick with SQc and stay away from the bigger shows until you have some shows under your belt (if you want to go that far).

That last example is one of several reasons I left Team Hybrids and dumped HAT products. I know what the soul of the company is...and it's not good.

The G35 is now sold to Klifton Keplinger (Scott's right hand man). He's claiming it and scott's install as his own. Very thin claim ethically...

[why?]

Don't build up "Scott's" G35 too much.

I had plenty of time in it. I can guarantee my low end in my 2011 iteration of a sound system was much better. I'd also put the rest of the sound against it any day. The real reason it sounds good is the MANY hours of tuning...not the equipment.

Now that you guys have seen what it takes to make an IQc install...approach competition in that class carefully. The politics in the bigger shows is outrageous. I've personally seen Scott throw a fit (a very disgusting sight) when he wasn't guaranteed a win. Stick with SQc and stay away from the bigger shows until you have some shows under your belt (if you want to go that far).

That last example is one of several reasons I left Team Hybrids and dumped HAT products. I know what the soul of the company is...and it's not good.

The G35 is now sold to Klifton Keplinger (Scott's right hand man). He's claiming it and scott's install as his own. Very thin claim ethically...

Totally nuts. politics unfortunately creeps its way into everything. I doubt personally that I would ever compete, I'm just not built that way.

It is a sad fact that the people who get on top usually do so kicking, screaming, and walking over everyone else.

Right now we will meet on 4/21 in Syracuse NY, after that something will come out, I will post it here.

But we could make a Yaris/Audio meet any time you want, I'm sure CTScott, and other YarisWorld members will join us too.

D.

Probably right. I work 6 days a week right now, but I hope that will be changing soon, I am hoping to get a job near Uxbridge. Sundays are the only days I get off at the moment. I do need to show you my new toy and get some advice on where to start.

You could take my approach, and start little by little, for example... my sound system, without a professional install that sounds good. Scott's Infiniti is more a car for shows with extreme detail on everything not only in Sound Quality.

D.

Yea, insane overkill. I just want a good sounding system with absolutely no insulation.:laugh: Hmm, do you think a judge would ever give a stripped to the bone car a good score?

[derickveliz2]

Probably right. I work 6 days a week right now, but I hope that will be changing soon, I am hoping to get a job near Uxbridge. Sundays are the only days I get off at the moment. I do need to show you my new toy and get some advice on where to start.

Yea, insane overkill. I just want a good sounding system with absolutely no insulation.:laugh: Hmm, do you think a judge would ever give a stripped to the bone car a good score?

Uxbridge!

Let me know if you get a job there, I'll be happy to help you.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Well, I would like to give the Yaris a chance to swim with BIG FISH...
competing... not really I just want to see how far I got.
even if I end up in last place I want to see how far I could go.

-Hotel reservations ready,

-All my crew is going (family trip) 5 hours :eyebulge: in the Yaris mmm it's going to be crazy :eek:

-Camera, charging

-Yaris, ready

-Syracuse NY... here we go! :burnrubber:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Qvls7R7c5Gg/UXIg09yrEsI/AAAAAAAAtsI/N3hqkRUaR3k/s1061/Yaris+Sienna.JPG

D.

[_S7V7N_]

:thumbup:Good Luck D, Hope it all goes well

[derickveliz2]

:thumbup:Good Luck D, Hope it all goes well

Thank you,

Shall the sound be with me!


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CtnhJcdCyW8/UXItKwb6GwI/AAAAAAAAtsU/0r6YC68b8Vk/s1062/DSC_1831.JPG

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Yoo D update your install pics as well.....Show us what you using bruh !!

[derickveliz2]

Yoo D update your install pics as well.....Show us what you using bruh !!

Basically it's the same but the old tinny Pioneer Tweeters: BUT... you can't really see any of the speakers from pilots point of view.

Mids HL-70
Lows L6
Sub i6SW

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/tweeters/c2ce6ade.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/YarisSQsystemlayout_2.jpg



D.

[sqcomp]

Feel free to call with any questions at the show. I have the rule book sitting in my car.

[derickveliz2]

Feel free to call with any questions at the show. I have the rule book sitting in my car.

Thank you,


There is a Yaris near Syracuse NY....

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cvovFIa9Hvo/UXNwSe468XI/AAAAAAAAtwo/0E4O1TTii8E/s756/photo.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hyJ4Sw7hHyI/UXNwTYg4b4I/AAAAAAAAtww/VE-dE3uyd7I/s988/image.jpg

D.

[MyzticZ3r0]

Good luck at the competition!

[sqcomp]

D...

Don't sweat ANYTHING! This is just a car show. Don't let anything pressure you. You must remember that the people judging are human and very subjective. Don't take anything personally. Someone will probably say something stupid or insulting.

Just get to the show early. Fill out your paperwork, place it under the wiper and hang around the car with a fold up chair ready to answer any questions. DON'T be late! That irks the judges.

As for your bass...ground shaking bass isn't "real". That's the realm of USACi and MECA. Realism is the utmost of importance. A stand up bass should NOT rock your car (for example).

[derickveliz2]

D...

Don't sweat ANYTHING! This is just a car show. Don't let anything pressure you. You must remember that the people judging are human and very subjective. Don't take anything personally. Someone will probably say something stupid or insulting.

Just get to the show early. Fill out your paperwork, place it under the wiper and hang around the car with a fold up chair ready to answer any questions. DON'T be late! That irks the judges.

As for your bass...ground shaking bass isn't "real". That's the realm of USACi and MECA. Realism is the utmost of importance. A stand up bass should NOT rock your car (for example).


Thanks, I'll be ok, and will stay cool.

I have to be there early because I have family with me, so I spoke with them about it and they agree to do registration and then I have to go back for my crew and then they will judge. The 2 guys I spoke with sounded very friendly, so we'll see how it goes.

I like about "realm" my friend the musician who used to belong to the Navy Band told me one day... your car sounds so real. So I feel good about "realm"



What about volume level? will they crank the volume to the maximum?

D.

[sqcomp]

You can also put up a center point on your dash. Something like a hula girl wobbly...right were you think the center vocals are. That will show the judges subliminally (at least) where your center is.

Another trick is to fold down the sun visors to shrink the height of the windshield. It's another subliminal thing for the judge.

You can also put your rear view mirror facing toward the roof. This will keep the judge from being distracted by anyone behind the car while judging. The other thing to do is to keep onlookers away from the front of the car while you are under judging. visual distractions and all.

Also remember to keep your cabin cool! Cool is comfortable. Comfortable yields better scores through a happier judge.

[sqcomp]

All IASCA judging should be done at a 90dB reference.

MECA has no limit.

Do you experience break up at higher volumes?

[derickveliz2]

All IASCA judging should be done at a 90dB reference.

MECA has no limit.

Do you experience break up at higher volumes?

Good tips, thank you.


Well when I crank all the way up above comfort level you can tell very easy when the subwoofer stops been musical.


D.

[sqcomp]

That's the trade off. Small format woofers, and especially the ISW's, power handling and suspension travel is limited compared to larger woofers.

I still contend that they'd be used well as mid woofers in doors more readily than subwoofers.

Enjoy the day! Relax...

Let's all talk about the observations after your 1st place trophy. :)

[derickveliz2]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G7sCbUN3FUc/UXTNNlXTZkI/AAAAAAAAtxE/jzX0td8UJWY/s1062/photo+%2818%29.JPG

D.

[derickveliz2]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p3VT9y_VYB0/UXVR0BBc-fI/AAAAAAAAtxs/6TBBB2NiN5Y/s988/photo+%281%29.JPG

D.

[derickveliz2]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Bc7VmqwJeg4/UXTNP763VYI/AAAAAAAAtxU/pThsR8aPbiU/s1062/photo+%2820%29.JPG

D.

[derickveliz2]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aFOeB4yLkZs/UXTNSI4awWI/AAAAAAAAtxc/lD6DOqxWhz4/s1061/photo+%2821%29.JPG

D.

[sqcomp]

Did these people even give you a score in the IASCA format? I take it you were in Amateur SQc.

[derickveliz2]

Did these people even give you a score in the IASCA format? I take it you were in Amateur SQc.

Not yet,

No, I believe I wasn't in Amateur. but I don't know they didn't say any thing to me.

Not official! but some one told me I got 4th place, that's awesome!
4th place out of 4 ! jjjjj :thumbsup:

I sit in the winner car, I had the guy sit in my car... interesting comments from him.

More details later.

D.

[sqcomp]

I'm anxious to see the scoresheet...

[_S7V7N_]

Quick question...You guys want to start up an Audio Car Show picture thread ? I have quite a few from Last years Heat wave i never uploaded. I seen Sq upload a few to this thread as well.....Just a thought.

[sqcomp]

You should be in the Rookie or Amateur class...

...Amateur because of the pillar work, the sub location & the fact that you did everything yourself...

[sqcomp]

I could load up a crap ton of pictures from competition as well...

Quick note:

I installed my new little setup this afternoon, a Sony XAV 701HD, My "old" sub (ID8 v3), two Hertz Deici coaxials for now, and two PPI Phantom amps. Sounds decent for the time invested.

I have the "in" (as it were) on my hot rod project. It seems that history is repeating for me. My close friend wants to sell me his 2004 SRT-4. It's a really nice piece with LOTS of money invested (especially on the suspension). I get it for a grand bargain. The price he's selling it to me will allow room for a 50 trim setup with fuel, oil, and cooling mods. I'll leave it at this, I expect 400+ HP within a year on pump gas...it will only be driven once every so often, so I'm not worried about running costs, seeing as I have the ever reliable Yaris to fill the daily driving role.

[_S7V7N_]

Pics of the PPI's installed bruh !!!

[sqcomp]

I want to get the trim in the trunk finished before I start taking pics...

If you remember those giant amplifiers I used to run, I've turned that amp tray into a collar for the air tank and compressors. I need to adjust the piece a little and then get the cover to fit...and then place the side panels.

Give me a week or so. I'll get some prettier pics to happen.

[derickveliz2]

You should be in the Rookie or Amateur class...

...Amateur because of the pillar work, the sub location & the fact that you did everything yourself...


Ok, it's been almost a week and I don't have my score sheets or anything else, I'm going to start making phone calls and sending emails.


D.

[derickveliz2]

But first I would like to say... I"M HAPPY!!! :thumbup:

in Total 14 hour round trip, with my lovely wife and our 2 kids (6 and 2.5 years old) inside the Yaris and just to accomplish that it's a miracle that everybody was happy at the end of the trip.

Yes I came back so HAPPY! very Happy, it wasn't about the score or a 1st or 2nd place! or a trophy like sqcomp offered to me.



I didn't wanted to start telling you the story before I had the score sheets in my hands to go over in detail on each fact.

Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I'm going with or without score sheets I'm going to write my story.

I can tell you now that I'm a happy guy and very proud because I found what I was looking for.



But for now I want you guys to see this picture below and just think about it,
Here is the picture.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cCnuuxn4-Xo/UXtEcAjjGkI/AAAAAAAAtyQ/_cY_W48WNek/w892-h598/100+meters+2.jpg

D.

ps... here are some more pictures of the event....

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n3R_qAT9aeQ/UXtHibUjU9I/AAAAAAAAtyg/Hhas7nUufFo/w902-h598/DSC_0479.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AYZl3RY20n8/UXtHkL8_d8I/AAAAAAAAtyo/Lh7qlzeFM4M/w902-h598/DSC_0480.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hKI6LRFMFec/UXtHnZ6xyoI/AAAAAAAAtyw/rNShaSbo6ak/w902-h598/DSC_0481.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1Mst1DUlpzE/UXtHoHPuArI/AAAAAAAAty4/pyCgyciEkVk/w902-h598/DSC_0482.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F28x0m_-gUY/UXtHqYJGPYI/AAAAAAAAtzA/MhIbbutPGKA/w902-h598/DSC_0487.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rU73fdJ_CK8/UXtHrZhDi4I/AAAAAAAAtzI/ZomWUHg0TuQ/w902-h598/DSC_0488.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3WJwuPCaUwY/UXtIlCjjn9I/AAAAAAAAtzU/K6tYvRvufv4/w899-h598/IMG_6006.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s3x51N4jRt4/UXtIpzjoN9I/AAAAAAAAtzk/2l-SZnL4n0s/w800-h598/IMG_6013.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4ZO3H0Ovx2o/UXtIuUQeRkI/AAAAAAAAtz0/rH4VUFWHoEE/w800-h598/IMG_6016.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-om9jg6ohAXQ/UXtImj0LFDI/AAAAAAAAtzc/Jg2_NYdLQzI/w800-h598/IMG_6010.JPG

[sqcomp]

The orange FIT belongs to Julian Ridi form Canada. Heavier set chap who likes to wear a visor with troll hair (at least he did at SBN/INAC 2012). He's a bit of a tool, but that's my oh so humble opinion. I've had some interesting experiences with him and his lack of candor.

The DLS vehicle there is interesting with the angles of the tweeters. I like the bold attempt. I'm seeing his rather high mounting of said tweeters. This shows me that he's trying to gain height on the stage. If his stage is low, it's probably a crossover issue with his mid bass. I'm finding that the best response with midrange is coming from dash mounting aiming into the glass (stock xB and Camry mount points). The best imaging seems to come from pillar mounted midranges...

Of course this all depends on the tune.

The Ford with the planar/ribbon tweeters in the pillars should be at least a Pro class in IASCA car because of the intensive work on the dash mounted sub.

Derick...I'm telling you. The lack of a scoresheet is disturbing. You paid to be judged by a sanctioning body and received nothing to show for it. I know what should have been done. I've had to do this before at the shows I put on. As soon as you mentioned that you had to leave, I would have had the head judge tally your points and show you your scoresheet. Then, I would have made sure your e-mail address was on the scoresheet so that the minute I had the official results, you would have received an e-mail informing you of your placement with the very least, a scanned copy of your scoresheet. This would have been done within two hours of the close of the show.

PERIOD! There is NO room for interpretation. This is the right and ethical thing to do. It's unfortunate that it isn't happening like that.

All of this comes from me though...I'm the one that had Moe Sabourin (IASCA President), Travis Chin (IASCA event head judge), Jim Hergesheimer (shop owner) and myself hand sign EVERY certificate to those who entered the show. It displayed their points or dB levels with an official IASCA logo and dB Drag logo. It was also done on heavy card stock (certificate paper). Heck, my certificates were more sturdy than the one I received from the 5th SF group in Iraq...

I'm also here to tell you that signing your name 50 times is a drag!

I don't mess around with my shows. It unfortunately isn't a universal feeling of responsibility to the competitors apparently.

[_S7V7N_]

Lol @ troll hair. Tell us how you really feel about the guy.

Can't wait to hear the stories D !!

[sqcomp]

The troll hair thing...

...the visor he wears is a gag thing. He has no hair, he's a self conscious knuckle dragger, so he wears a visor with fake hair on it. Nothing overly personal against the guy, he's just not very bright.

[_S7V7N_]

Scoresheets ?

[derickveliz2]

Scoresheets ?

Nothing :iono:


D.

[derickveliz2]

Yoo D update your install pics as well.....Show us what you using bruh !!

As of today...

Tweeter in spheres next to sail panels:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-sDkcLWE-dPg/UX9PLTLUNFI/AAAAAAAAt00/Gp-0MmGJhy0/w1062-h478/photo+%252819%2529.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GAUxNgrOsCI/UX9UL7lcCfI/AAAAAAAAt1Q/MyGxEnR4X0A/w800-h598/tweeters.JPG

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/tweeters/c2ce6ade.jpg



Mids in Kick area, Lows at doors:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-orKE3hEBlqY/UX9PHMPEmmI/AAAAAAAAt0k/3lYuVOomI5I/w1017-h598/photo+%252822%2529.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2azzEWWhmCQ/UX9PMq4YC6I/AAAAAAAAt1c/_vO5WG3DlTM/w800-h598/photo+%252823%2529.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Wf_mXuRJhKE/UXKhXduavJI/AAAAAAAAtu0/YuWo_TepThk/w897-h598/0bcd1eda.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VGRQa9Zeog0/UXKg3KROOAI/AAAAAAAAttA/Hc3TtjYX_4E/w1012-h598/f6d2035d.jpg


Sub + Right Tweeter view:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0COBkSYUa7c/UX9PJVIequI/AAAAAAAAt0s/z7jxWtTvZtE/w447-h598/photo+%252821%2529.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cFTmqT9Es08/UXKg6B0LblI/AAAAAAAAttQ/DZGnSsXJtwc/w902-h598/0df6c4e4.jpg

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Derick what type of dash kit you using ? Can you do me a favor and measure that space under the radio. Looks like an Equalizer could fit in that space with lil to no mod work

[derickveliz2]

Derick what type of dash kit you using ? Can you do me a favor and measure that space under the radio. Looks like an Equalizer could fit in that space with lil to no mod work

I think it's Metra, but it does looks like it will fit a 1/2 DIN EQ there.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Derick what type of dash kit you using ? Can you do me a favor and measure that space under the radio. Looks like an Equalizer could fit in that space with lil to no mod work

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/HU%20Stereo%20System/d338893c.jpg (http://s634.photobucket.com/user/derickveliz/media/HU%20Stereo%20System/d338893c.jpg.html)


D.

[_S7V7N_]

I had one ! Traded it out for a Scosche. Lolll now imma have to buy another Metra kit. If the height is an inch a half din will fit.

[derickveliz2]

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On our trip to NY... we also hit 100K miles! That is 160,000 Km

at 42 MPG = about 2,380 gallons of Fuel in 5 years

at $3.50 /gal = $8,333.33

in 5 years = $1,666.66 /year

in 12 month = $138.88 / month

in 30 days = $4.63 / day

not bad! :w00t:


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D.

[sqcomp]

Derick,

Get me the shop name that put on this show. This is NOT how your first show experience should have ended up.

What basically appears to have happened is:

A non registered competitor comes in from out of state.

The shop charges him a registration fee for the privilege to be judged.

The judge tells the competitor that he won't win before all judging is over.

He leaves the show early to be able to get home early.

No score is given or shown.

...anyone else think this whole situation wreaks? I've already out a feeler in with the HAT team captain to get your score sheet mang. In the VERY least you deserve this. My thought is, they just used you for the entry fee and knew you weren't going to do anything about it.

I'm trying to be proactive for you D. This whole situation would not have happened at one of my shows. I would have lost sleep if I knew you hadn't received proper treatment.

Derick, even if this doesn't truly bother you, I want you to know...this is NOT the correct experience that should have happened my friend. You should have had very constructive criticism (good and/or bad) on what was going on. You should have had several new contacts gained from the show...

This is truly pitiful.

...and one of many reasons why I got out of the scene. Bad people doing unethical things. The entire industry is awash in that.

[_S7V7N_]

He payed to get judged and at this point services have not been rendered. What it sounds like is the business that hosted the show just did it for trophy's and to possibly push more product, idk what was said to Derick yet but i bet its something along " get more expensive equipment that they sell here ".

Derick you have a right to get a bit upset. It doesn't take this long to get a scoresheet unless one wasn't done. Then you deserve a partial refund.

[_S7V7N_]

I got this from the thread that is promoting the competitions next week,
that's what they are looking for: and just so you know that's not me asking...

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D.

Go post on that thread as well D. Explaining you didn't receive a scoresheet and if anybody else received one. See what type of feedback you get.

Is that DIYMA ?

I went there and found the post. They used the excuse you left early. Lolll. Have them post it on site or in a PM. Good luck bro.

[sqcomp]

Derick, what was the name of the judge who was judging your car?

I have interest, outside from us, in helping your situation.

I found the DIYMA thread...Let the games begin!

[_S7V7N_]

Let them post your results. If not i bet they get lost in mail bro.

[sqcomp]

Let's give them another week. I have some attention from other parties on this situation.