Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[sqcomp]

Here's something from one of the old school car audio OGs, Richard Clark, in 2001:

"Tweeters are expensive, and I’m sure that there’s nothing more frustrating than purchasing a pair of $200 tweeters and having one of them destroyed. Tweeters, and especially horn drivers, are extremely sensitive and fragile. One common failure mode for tweeters in systems with electronic crossovers is failure to provide protection from unintentional low frequency transients. Woofers have been known to move great distances when amplifiers are turned on or turned off or a RCA comes partly unplugged, but what about the tweeters?

If the tweeter is fed from a passive crossover, it will naturally be protected from this phenomenon. But, what if it’s attached directly to a monster amp? Since tweeters were not designed to move more than a few thousandths of an inch, what happens when they get popped by an amplifier? The answer is that they typically suffer from suspension fatigue and become permanently damaged. There’s no remedy for damaged tweeters, and they will produce constant distortion until they are replaced.

Simply plugging and unplugging an RCA lead from an active crossover or an amplifier driving a tweeter will often cause a potentially damaging pop. The pop in a tweeter may not always be audible, but the damage will occur electro-mechanically. (This is one of the reasons that a couple of Japanese amplifier designs included a feature that required a chassis ground connection to the RCA connector before the amplifier would engage.) There is no reason to put tweeters at such risk because the necessary safety precautions are both inexpensive and easy to install.

To protect a tweeter, a bi-polar crossover capacitor should be inserted in series with the + terminal. (It really doesn’t matter, but let’s be consistent.) This “safety” capacitor will block dangerous pops and spikes, yet, it will permit the audio to pass.

For example, let’s say we’re using a crossover point of 2000 Hz on a tweeter with an impedance of 4 ohms (at 2000 Hz). One-half of 2000 Hz yields an f of 1000 Hz. Solving for C, we arrive at 40 mfd (39.8 mfd if you’re a math buff) for our safety cap. Remember, electrolytic caps can be used as long as they’re bypassed properly. Again, polystyrene film capacitors should be used for bypassing. If this is done correctly, the safety cap will have no affect on sound as it’s too low to have any audible effect, but if any low frequencies slip by they will be removed before they can cause damage. A tweeter safety cap sort of acts like a “subsonic filter” does for a woofer, only it works at the frequencies that are troublesome to tweeters.

That’s it for this issue. I’ve been using these techniques in studio and pro audio applications for decades, and they’ve saved me many times. I hope that you’ll consider including small bypass and safety capacitors in your next system. Someday the tweeter you save may be your own!

[patm]

Sqcomp,

How you been.

[sqcomp]

Busy as you can tell.

I'm laying down another set of kick panels. This time I'm re-aiming and going to try to incorporate the raw carbon fiber weave I purchased. I may incorporate the leftover Kevlar weave as well into the kicks for the mid range speakers.

Going to power up the horn's compressor, wrap the mounting panel for the compressor and the tank, and do more A-pillar buildup on Monday.

[sqcomp]

Just laid the back and baffle of the driver's side kick in kevlar reinforced with 1.5 oz mat. I'll be trimming and laying some more kevlar tomorrow as well on that left side kick.

Interesting material. It's good for some points in IQc because of exotic materials.

I've got some CF weave mat I'm going to look at using on the kicks somehow. I'll figure that out when I get there.

...and yes, I have pics. I just want to get a little further before I post them...

[derickveliz2]

Just laid the back and baffle of the driver's side kick in kevlar reinforced with 1.5 oz mat. I'll be trimming and laying some more kevlar tomorrow as well on that left side kick.

Interesting material. It's good for some points in IQc because of exotic materials.

I've got some CF weave mat I'm going to look at using on the kicks somehow. I'll figure that out when I get there.

...and yes, I have pics. I just want to get a little further before I post them...

I saw a video of Scott B. and his Nissan Altima talking about exotic materials, mmm what if I bring from Central America some hard wood from the deep rain forest? this stuff is expensive and hard like a rock.

D.

[derickveliz2]

So I should be looking at a pair of these? one set for each tweeter?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MH15fivJMho/T7CSyoZz2BI/AAAAAAAAoFw/YDLgtcmETMs/s740/Dayton+Audio+4+Tweeters.jpg

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[sqcomp]

Those caps will only cost $13 and some change. It's a pair of 30 microfarad and a .01 microfarad that helps alleviate what RC called the ripple effect IIRC.

Order them, send them my way and I can put the special treatment on them to make them a little more high speed if you want and get them back to you all snazzy like...if you want or I can just guide you on how I'm prepping mine with a little "tutorial"/picture guide.

As for the exotic hardwood, where are you going to fit it in that would earn you creativity points? I can think of several items that could have exotic wood used but i'd rather hear your thoughts first.

[derickveliz2]

Those caps will only cost $13 and some change. It's a pair of 30 microfarad and a .01 microfarad that helps alleviate what RC called the ripple effect IIRC.

Order them, send them my way and I can put the special treatment on them to make them a little more high speed if you want and get them back to you all snazzy like...if you want or I can just guide you on how I'm prepping mine with a little "tutorial"/picture guide.

As for the exotic hardwood, where are you going to fit it in that would earn you creativity points? I can think of several items that could have exotic wood used but i'd rather hear your thoughts first.


Thanks I'll put an order for the caps, do you know any web-stores? suggestions?

Exotic materials... mmm all baffles instead of using MDF (L6's, Mids, and Tweeters) Also would like to make a custom grill made of an exotic material for the L6's with the HAT logo. I asked Scott B. if that was ok, he sent me a file with the official logo that I can use.

D.

[derickveliz2]

BTW

We are having a meet with guys from DIYMA next week Saturday May 26th at 1 P.M. in West Boylston, MA.... every body is welcome!


Here is the info:

Saturday May 26th at 1 P.M. West Boylston, MA

It's around the corner from the Stone Church in West Boylston Ma.

There will be a Green Alien out by the road to help you find the spot.

Here are the coordinates:

42°22'12.23"N 71°46'54.86"W

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/damagedd/2012meetmap.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/damagedd/wtfbbqdisorganizedpicfacehole/meetspot.jpg

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[why?]

a green alien? lol.

So I hopped over on to the HAT forums and saw Scott's car build thread. First post made me laugh considering what it is now.Audio is going to be VERY simple... (http://www.buwaldahybrids.com/forum/showthread.php?17674-New-Project-Car-to-Introduce-Scott-s-G35) If that is what he does to a car for a very simple audio system I wonder what his idea is of complex.:bellyroll:

I think I am going to take a stroll to CTScott's that day unfortunately, but if not I might visit you Derick. My coilovers should be on correctly and I need a nice long drive.

[sqcomp]

The G35 is a relatively simple install. Think about that G35 install versus Black Betty. BB is definitely a more advanced install.

I've been able to have hands on time with both cars. The G is made for a realistic every day driving situation. BB on the other hand...it's a dedicated show car with a much different sound stage presence.

The G35 was an interesting car to demo for people at SBN this year. It has it's quirks like a normal car would. That being said for a car without tweeters and on all D class amplifiers, it works very well. Well enough to win another world championship.

[derickveliz2]

I think I am going to take a stroll to CTScott's that day unfortunately, but if not I might visit you Derick. My coilovers should be on correctly and I need a nice long drive.

I really wanted to go to CTScott, we've been talking so much about it, but I committed to DIYMA long time ago. If they cancel I'm sure I'll be down there.

D.

[derickveliz2]

The G is made for a realistic every day driving situation.

I like!


D.

[sqcomp]

Thanks I'll put an order for the caps, do you know any web-stores? suggestions?

Exotic materials... mmm all baffles instead of using MDF (L6's, Mids, and Tweeters) Also would like to make a custom grill made of an exotic material for the L6's with the HAT logo. I asked Scott B. if that was ok, he sent me a file with the official logo that I can use.

D.


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DAYTON AUDIO DMPC-30 30UF 250V POLYPROPYLENE CAPACITOR


$8.95 ea

$17.90



027-450

DAYTON AUDIO DFFC-0.01 0.01UF 400V BY-PASS CAPACITOR


$0.74 ea

$1.48

I bought them from Partsexpress. Easy and cheap order.

[derickveliz2]

Some things I've been thinking about it...

Some time ago I fell in love with Time Alignment,
lately I'm drooling Left & Right EQ.

My Midbass love :wub: the Subwoofer they compliment each other.

My Mids sound so insignificant... though that's where all the magic happens!

Windshield, screws me up with hundreds of reflections.

Some extra Power from amps make every thing happen.

Deadening and Blocking road/engine noise pays off for a confi. ride

I still tend to tune for the road... isn't that awkward but at the same time makes sense for a long commuter.

A big help for my ears and body to understand how a track should sound like..
Reference! I got my kids a set of drums, now I know how it should sound! We got a big old Piano, and I'm trying to listen to live music as much as I can.

And something I don't do any more... speak on my cell phone without speaker mode, I'm try to avoid the phone over one ear at a time. Sounds stupid but keeps my ears balanced.

Also I'm trying to stay away from earphones! the feeling of the center image going through my head is not what I want/like.

Avoid LOUD music or noise for a long extended period of time.

A song becomes a Good a song when it's well recorded no matter what song is it.

Talking about songs, the other day I was struggling to get the big bass drum
to be right on the center of the stage, until I watched the video from youtube
on my phone and playing a very well recorded track at the same time, guess
what! I found out the big bass drum IS slightly to the right.

- Now every thing makes sense!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/ColaditoMana.jpg




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[sqcomp]

The only reason I use headphones is to get an idea of tonality.

I'll echo the song to good song thought regarding the recording process.

Extra power makes the difference...now you know why I'm doing what I am with my surfboard amplifiers.

What's wrong with the windshield? :) I relish in reflections! For some reason in my setup it just doesn't sound right unless I'm off axis. It's a phase thing for me.

[derickveliz2]

The only reason I use headphones is to get an idea of tonality.

I'll echo the song to good song thought regarding the recording process.

Extra power makes the difference...now you know why I'm doing what I am with my surfboard amplifiers.

What's wrong with the windshield? :) I relish in reflections! For some reason in my setup it just doesn't sound right unless I'm off axis. It's a phase thing for me.

Agree! Tonality is a big factor and hard to accomplish, good call.

Power? YES more power please, it's not about how LOUD is going to be, it's like a car on the highway! if you want to pass a car you don't need to shift down if you have the Torque and HP. My 2 examples... 1st with MidBass I started with 60watts then 100watts but when I end up with 175watts they just play beautiful.

2nd The SubWoofer... I started with 250watts, it was ok and impressive, but when feeding the i6SW with 400watts it just came a live! I completely forgot it's just a 6.5 inch driver.

Tweeters and reflections... Comparing the Mids with Tweeters the Mids was way much easier to center the image, but with the tweeters I could tell that reflections where doing funny stuff with the center image and width of the stage. In one of the methods I used with the Tweeters, where I turn the volume way down and change the x-over point to 800hz because at 2kHz and above, our ears use amplitude not phase and time to determine location. So to hear the movement, I needed a lower x-over point.

Don't ask me where or how I got to this point but reading and searching I found this method very interesting and I gave it a try, and as I was doing it I noticed the difference of movement compared to the Mids. But for any install I bet it's a challenge to control and be successful at the same time.

But Yes I guess at some point we are using reflections in our favor.

BTW,,,, after work my little Yaris was compared to a brand new C350, details later... :thumbup:

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/MechesYarisFcopy.jpg



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[sqcomp]

If I ever sell my amps, I'll give you have the first look. :) Want POWER? I've got it in spades.

I hear you on the sub. It's funny for me. I've moved from an awesome 15" in my ML3800 to a dinky (relative to the ML) 8" ID. The thing is, for what I'm doing, the smaller and tighter enclosure in the cabin loaded off the floor seems to be magic for me. I've got a plan for a rear console setup later this year to plug in the ID8 and then eventually the Legatia 13 to downfire onto the floor.

That loading is a FUN. I should really send you a copy of mine so you can plug it in and listen. The other nice thing is that it can be used in home audio applications as well.

We should trade enclosures for a month just to experience what each other is hearing.

[derickveliz2]

The DIYMA meet was great!
I help my friends tuning and giving them ideas to how to improve their systems, of course the little Yaris was a success.

The guy with the white GTI went back home with a big smile on his face, after I did some magic tuning his system
(I just moved his x-over points, centering his image with T/A, leveled the gains and re-aim tweeters). And still he has a lot of room for improvements!

How was the Autocross and CTScott's meet?

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/DIYmeet.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

BTW,,,, after work my little Yaris was compared to a brand new C350, details later... :thumbup:

D.
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The owner of the C350 sent me a text message..."could we switch cars for a day or two?"

D.

[sickpuppy1]

Thats a treat,lol He want to drive the Yaris over his Mercedes because of the sound system. Yeah and it gets 40mpg sucka! Booya! (And IMO better lookin in that Photo)

[sqcomp]

Derick...we need to get you into competition.

Wish you were here man!

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/1ba2cb40.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/53ff9ef9.jpg

Terrible gas mileage but I still want a go in this:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/748ccfca.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/cc6b2e08.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/70b84392.jpg

[derickveliz2]

We should trade enclosures for a month just to experience what each other is hearing.


Any time! just let me know!


Derick...we need to get you into competition.

Wish you were here man!



Congratulations! Yeah me too.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Thats a treat,lol He want to drive the Yaris over his Mercedes because of the sound system. Yeah and it gets 40mpg sucka! Booya! (And IMO better lookin in that Photo)

I know, but...

Like when I was driving the M-C350 with my wife on the passenger side...

Me: I get 40 MPG, my Yaris is as quiet, my sound system is 10 times better... and bla bla bla....

then...

My Wife: yes but it's not a Mercedes Benz !!!

:eek: :eek: :eek:


D.

[derickveliz2]

This comes from one of the DIYMA members who was at the meet! he had a great center image but it was a little narrow and too close to the listeners!

" I was impressed with the depth of your stage it seemed to extend out beyond the windshield.
I've been scratching my head trying to think about how I will fix my new problem of having the stage on the dash and not on the front bumper like yours."

D.

[derickveliz2]

The new 2013 SLS AMG GT .... Looks like they know our secretes and what I see... Mid/bass in the kick area, Mids un in the doors and tweeter next to a-pillars... AMG Front Stage?

Enjoy!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/mb3.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/mb2.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/mb1.jpg


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[sqcomp]

I'm not too worried. You're also paying how much for the car?

[derickveliz2]

I'm not too worried. You're also paying how much for the car?

I don't worry I'm happy!

I think it's around $200,000.00
I'm sure we can make our Yaris sound better!

D.

[derickveliz2]

What would be your ideal vehicle for SQ audio and commuter car?

D.

[sqcomp]

Come on man...the Yaris I have now.

I keep my ideas of cars purpose specific for the most part. I have a drive to build my own car one of these days. I'm also a fan of road course racing. How to combine the two AND make it street legal? Ultimate GTR. Thank you very much. Give me a small block Chevy and a sequential gearbox and I'm set... For $60k. 200+ MPH AND affordable? Sahweet!

[why?]

that's expensive. The factory five kit they just released looks great and is so much less expensive.http://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/

They say you can have the full car for under $18k.

[sqcomp]

^I'm skeptical. Let's take the cost of the donor. For safety, get a fully running donor in good shape. Then add the kit cost.

I'm NOT saying that it's not more affordable...

What I'm looking at with cost on my idea is the engine...a N/A small block Chevy at 650 HP, that can be run day in and day out. I'm not going to worry about all the plumbing associated with a T/C engine. I know how "fun" the T/C engines are...I used to own one before my Yaris. At 2000 lbs, I'm only a couple hundred pounds more than the Factory Five kit AND it's proven to 200+ MPH and is at the top of the Top Gear performance list. It's not a Can-Am that I'm looking at like the Factory Five design. I like a closed cockpit design myself. I also don't have to deal with a donor car, I build it from scratch parts specifically made for the car itself.

http://world-viewer.com/data_images/ultima-gtr-tt/ultima-gtr-tt-06.jpg

http://world-viewer.com/data_images/ultima-gtr-tt/ultima-gtr-tt-11.jpg

http://world-viewer.com/data_images/ultima-gtr-tt/ultima-gtr-tt-02.jpg

There's just something about the Rolex type vehicle...that is street legal and fast as sin! As much of an Japanese fan as I am, there is NOTHING like the sound of an 8 cylinder shoehorned into a British car platform...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKX2KZruc3E

To me this is a value. I'm also a huge fan of ALMS racing so...watching this video, for me, is like a shot of drugs.

[derickveliz2]

I'm a Fan of Factory 5 (made in Massachusetts) I like this one:

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-38kx57c17URZ-HIArCQL90goKwCAaiKqiUDlp9gLfc1AKnNGdg


I'm also a fan of V8 engines!

The Ultima GTR is awome too

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQyikyXpfZNqiQ6XilcxKm1TA1aE_63r 8yyEiVH0bDRC3QYKlEyhA


But aren't these cars too noisy?

If I could afford a new car and a new sound system, I might go with a Camaro, it comes with a V8 and also has great proportions that benefit PLDs in a sound system.

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTiAjRdJQ_IDaHLdNMvTLi7COIVK855Z PpsrNnICldHzM4E_75D


What do you think? (everybody)

What do you think? Sqcomp

Sqcomp... what do you think Scott Buwalda would think?

I love the way his Altima came up! very simply install, though very complex to put together.

https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS84almUHk45S_-EOrqO_PRtQQhxfaKkNm4CVTlufrmOIgv3UXppQ

or a BMW?

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFSIPhZCQ3SOYkDkx8GRAgEVt9A4POQ bx1P1E7nvDMNNiz2c6U


What would be the best car for SQ?

I guess I should go to many show cars and listen to professional sound systems that win Sound Quality events, right?


D.

[sqcomp]

You know...if you have the time, the IASCA finals is in Indianapolis in October...

...and I wouldn't be getting the Ultima for sound... >;)

[sqcomp]

Derick,

You're going to flip. I did something almost unthinkable to some on Team Hybrids. Drop an e-mail when you have a few minutes. This is going to have you scratching your head. :)

[derickveliz2]

You know...if you have the time, the IASCA finals is in Indianapolis in October...

...and I wouldn't be getting the Ultima for sound... >;)

I would love to go! but now I can't see it happen, 3 weeks ago I lost my second job that means no treats for now.

Where in Indianapolis? I'm going to search for excuses to go jeje.


Yeah I didn't think the Ultima would please your sound quality desires but it does in other ways!

D.

[why?]

I agree that a full hard top would be better, but I strongly disagree you would need to buy a full donor car. The WRX/STi aftermarket is gigantic, you could easily pick and choose any pieces you need, without ever owning a full car.

I've never been a fan of V-8's. Just not my thing. A turbo Supra still would be my favorite. Straight six and as much hp as you really could ever want. The top ones put out 1200+. Or if I could stuff a EVO 4g64 into an awd eclipse I'd do that. I just love the designs of the old gen awd eclipses.

I think for a full sq sound car something like a Lexus IS F or a Infinity G coupe. Or of course an Audi or BMW or something like that. Mostly because anything in the luxury range will already come with a ton and a half of dampening.

[sqcomp]

I hear you on the 6-cylinder thing. Just a fan of the 8's...more potential on all levels as I see it. It'll take less involvement on an 8 for me to see a 600+ HP normally aspirated...no lag, no loss. Fuel? That's something else. The whole idea of the Ultima is just for a weekender/track day car that can be driven on the street and that can lay down some serious lap times compared to the exotics for a heck of a lot less coin.

As for picking...you still have to pick. Regardless of where you get it. That will cost. Yes, it will probably be less than 60K though, admittedly. More like 30-40 I'm thinking. There's just something about a rolex series type car with a nice 8 in it that floats my boat.

SQ car? not without some serious modification...I wouldn't do that.

[sqcomp]

@ Derick...

That JVC HU is out ASAP. It doesn't even compare to the output on our decks.

[derickveliz2]

Took the family for a ride! we all end up singing "Rock A Bye Your Bear" The Wiggles

even kids music sounds pretty good.

D.

[derickveliz2]

mmm sq system can be addictive, and dangerous... some times when cruising on the high way, I just loose notion of where I'm am, dam music makes the car disappear and makes me feel I'm somewhere else! LOL

D.

[derickveliz2]

BTW,...

I've been playing with the left side tweeter, you guys are not going to believe what I'm trying to do!

Stage getting wider and deeper!

D.

[sqcomp]

Do tell...Pictures are appropriate as well. :)

[derickveliz2]

No pictures today, still a secrete but I'm cutting metal again!

D.

[derickveliz2]

OK, I'm going to need help! (advice)

I'm trying to dig in the tweeter in the a-pillar into the metal, so how do I cut a round circle there? I did a few holes with a small bit just to check I get the clearance in the back and there are no structural members.

Why I'm doing this? is because I'm physically moving the tweeter's position by 3.5 inches forward and almost 2 inches towards the left side, I'm loosing about 3-4 inches of height but I did try the tweeter and stage still up high, so that I don't mind, but...

the fact that the stage got wider and deeper from actual location the end result it's very satisfactory, so I really would like to sink in this tweeter there, any advice is welcome! I guess I need a special tool?

These pictures show the left a-pillar and the round wood peace represents the circle I want to cut away:

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/2-DSC_7087.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/1-DSC_7086.jpg

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[sqcomp]

How were you cutting the hole? That angle is tricky because of the glass.

[derickveliz2]

I was thinking of making a series of holes around the perimeter then try to trim the imperfections with a dremel, but it's so hard to do each hole. I was hopping to find a good tool that would make my life easier.

D.

[07typeS]

Why not just use a hole saw.. It looks like there is enough room to get a drill in there..

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202327771/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=hole+saw&storeId=10051

[sqcomp]

That proposed hole is VERY close to the glass...that's the challenge. Know that the hole is only the size of a tweeter. Can a right angle adaptor give enough torque to drive a hole saw?

The dremel idea may be the best at the moment.

:) whadyamean you can't angle a sawzall in there?!? :)

[07typeS]

That proposed hole is VERY close to the glass...that's the challenge. Know that the hole is only the size of a tweeter. Can a right angle adaptor give enough torque to drive a hole saw?

The dremel idea may be the best at the moment.

:) whadyamean you can't angle a sawzall in there?!? :)

well aslong as there is no glass directly behind you're proposed hole, drill a centered pilot hole, and the hole saw will stay perfectly on line.. Ive seen one drift when dont that way..

But i get the hesitation.. I guess the dremel probably is the way you would wanna go..

And if you do try the sawzall, please get it on video!!!! haha

[derickveliz2]

Some thing like a hole saw mentioned above is what I had in mind, Yes a dremel may be the power tool, now because of the angle of the a-pillar the dremel will not be exactly perpendicular to the cut, I hope that would not be an issue.

I'll stop by tomorrow at the local store and see if I can find a hole saw that fits the size of the hole that I need.

Thanks

D.

[sqcomp]

It's not the bit I'm concerned with in using a hole saw that close to the glass...

If you think a dremel is too big, a drill body is massive...one needs to get the hole saw bit straight on just like the dremel. Can you squeeze yourself into a good place on that dash to hit the pillar straight on with either option?

[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/photo-9.jpg

I hate drilling into metal...

[derickveliz2]

http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/?action=view&current=photo-9.jpg

I hate drilling into metal...

Me too! I'm going to confirm that in a few minutes!


D.

[derickveliz2]

And if you do try the sawzall, please get it on video!!!! haha


I did it! I did it!


Video1:*It was so easy that I took my phone for a video!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/th_070912233657.jpg (http://s634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/?action=view&current=070912233657.mp4)


Video 2: Without holding my cell phone for video I could probably have done it in less than half of the time..

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/th_070912233839.jpg (http://s634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/?action=view&current=070912233839.mp4)

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[derickveliz2]

OK, this was so EASY, just like a hot knife on butter! best $15 bucks spent.

Now I have left tweeter as far forward and far to the left I possible can! I gain 5 inches and that's a lot! the distance from my left ear to tweeter now is 48" it used to be 43".

Stage is wider and deeper already!
Probably 5 inches sound meaningless, but you should hear the difference that it makes.

Picture 1: the a-pillar after cutting the metal

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/2-2-071012002608.jpg


Picture 2: Tweeter in place! NICE! I'm happy.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/1-1-071012002408.jpg

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[sickpuppy1]

What about the aiming? Looks like its down at the dash....

[sqcomp]

The aiming axis at that point will only have a minor effect. The gain Derick has from physical location is going to override the angle for the most part. What I'm going to be interested to see is how the mounting is integrated with the a pillar.

I see that mount is deep...really deep in there. What say you Derick? This may be a good experiment for horn loading...

[sqcomp]

Sand down those edges on that metal, run that wire...are you going to surround the mounting hole with some deadening to reduce resonances? How's the tweeter going to be mounted?

[derickveliz2]

What I'm going to be interested to see is how the mounting is integrated with the a pillar.

I see that mount is deep...really deep in there. What say you Derick? This may be a good experiment for horn loading...


Yeah me too! I'm thinking about cutting a big section (hole) in the lower part of the a-pillar and build up a big open horn shape from the tweeter's base to the opening of the a-pillar, I'm not sure how to accomplish that, but I'll dig into it.

D.



Sand down those edges on that metal, run that wire...are you going to surround the mounting hole with some deadening to reduce resonances? How's the tweeter going to be mounted?


Yes will deaden the area, I will use a thin sheet of wood/balsa wood or even MLV as baffle into the metal.

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[sqcomp]

Baffling into the metal...I wish I could be out there with you to help. I think between the two of us we could make this happen REALLY quickly.

*sigh*

Using some substrate you can drill into using the L1v2's mounting holes. I'm thinking even a 1/4" pan head would be fine and not kick too far into the metal depending on the thickness of the substrate.

I'd say make a couple rings out of balsa that are juuuuusssst slightly larger than the outer diameter of the tweeter and then reverse the technique we've used to make the original pillars. Build in instead of out.

Thoughts?

[derickveliz2]

........and then reverse the technique we've used to make the original pillars. Build in instead of out.

Thoughts?

You read my mind!

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[sickpuppy1]

Kind of a speaker mounted in a funnel. Interesting.....Hey, what about using a funnel! lol

[sickpuppy1]

By angleing the cut on the material you could still aim it a bit if needed. If nothing else it would be a cheap way to experiment.

[sickpuppy1]

Would it have a megaphone effect though if not treated or coated....

[derickveliz2]

Hilser Funnel in process... kind of!

pictures of the cut out section soon...



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KUTuJcvMH1Q/T_5Evwv0kDI/AAAAAAAApN4/PG3yb9ncnR8/s500/Hilser_Funnel.jpg
Hilser Funnel


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[derickveliz2]

Area to but removed...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8GMpHlPdWD0/T_5jCPzCRiI/AAAAAAAApOU/wjXyZxunI8U/s797/3-071212004355.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ah5zCeijaD0/T_5i_EVMY4I/AAAAAAAApOM/SbkvnqMVmfo/s598/2-071212004322.jpg

I'm sorry for the quality of the pictures, I used my cellphone :iono:

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[derickveliz2]

Just for FUN...

Painted calipers the other day!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HSlgHQ5dqP4/T_5i-Acxf_I/AAAAAAAApOE/pPvzU7BLlXM/s797/1-062612104328.jpg

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[sqcomp]

@ sick...

I'm not so sure that we'll have much of an effect that far off axis.

@ Derick...

Go to Toyotapartszone and get another pair of a-pillars. It's a just in case thing. I'm off to do my Army drill thing for the next two weeks and that pillar thing is one of the first things I need to do when I get back...seeing where my tweeters are now.

[derickveliz2]

@ Derick...
seeing where my tweeters are now.

I saw a picture showing your tweeters in the sail panels! I was going to go that way too.

But now I can't wait for some extra time and cut the right side and move right tweeter there, the stage is impressive to me, and sweets my taste for Front Stage better than before.

Good luck in the next 2 weeks! Will be hovering around here!

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[sqcomp]

Have the amps, doors, dash panels, and emblems all are in paint...gotta drive the PT if I want my tails to get painted...

I've got some nice trick paint $hit coming our way as soon as I arrive back home.

[derickveliz2]

Got to mention that mean while I'm working on the a-pillars for the tweeters I've gone tweeter less, and with some tuning sounds so good. Not as good like a full 3way system but not bad at all.

The image height is about sail panels and top of dash board, just amazing!

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[sqcomp]

The sail panel width is nice. With certain tracks you have width out into the mirrors. The height is nice like Derick mentioned. If you play the mids to far in one direction (frequency) you get some bad localization. That can also be mitigated with the crossover adjustments (slopes and points). It's about the tune for amplitude and the imaging now...

What people have to remember is that a great tune doesn't happen in an hour. It takes some of these top competitors hundreds of hours in some cases to get it to their liking.

[derickveliz2]

New MPG personal record:

45.33 MPG


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[derickveliz2]

I just found out that my ID amp has 2 gains, one for each side (Left and Right) Cool.

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[derickveliz2]

3 days Tweeter-Less and loving it, I do miss the Tweeter specially after moving it forward into into the metal under the a-pillar, got to make more time to get them back.

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[derickveliz2]

Today's shot!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/DSC_7099.jpg


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[sickpuppy1]

Thats a weird exhaust pipe you have going up the back!!!???
LOL, good looking car! I love my Mediterranean mica sedan too!

[sickpuppy1]

I always kinda wished we had front plates here. Wanted to get ones that said 3M TA3 on it.
(pretend you the person in front of you,look at it in the mirror)

[derickveliz2]

Thats a weird exhaust pipe you have going up the back!!!???
LOL, good looking car! I love my Mediterranean mica sedan too!

That's my secrete to achieve 45 MPG lol

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[derickveliz2]

I always kinda wished we had front plates here. Wanted to get ones that said 3M TA3 on it.
(pretend you the person in front of you,look at it in the mirror)

I made my own front plate, Euro Style!

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[derickveliz2]

______________________________

Ok, so I'm happy as a clown!

Left tweeter in new location, sounds phenomenal!

Left & Right tweeters in new locations... sounds like Heaven!



Best improvement ever after:

- Woofer up front

- Mids down in kick area



Stage is much larger BIG-BIG-BIG, in all directions Up-Down, Left-Right, but the best gain is Depth!

Center image is almost spot on (within 3"-4" circumference) further away from me, and in some tracks feels funny that it's outside the car.

In other words sounds like a much better system than 2 weeks ago.

Still need to work on the a-pillars! :eek: But driving without them doesn't bother me, jeje

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[sqcomp]

You saw this already D, but this is for the rest of the audio fans...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/a9ca4f2f.jpg

This is what you do with the annoying CD pocket...aside from losing change in the back...

[derickveliz2]

You saw this already D, but this is for the rest of the audio fans...

This is what you do with the annoying CD pocket...aside from losing change in the back...

As a designer and if it was for me, I would line it up the left knobs on the left side, but that's just me.


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[derickveliz2]

As a designer and if it was for me, I would line it up the left knobs on the left side, but that's just me.


D.


And would leave the right side to put my cell phone!

Some thing like this:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-oKXFofP9KgE/UBoDmJAl8gI/AAAAAAAAqQs/n1eBA_zN4xA/s855/SQ+Bit+One+copy.jpg

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[derickveliz2]

I was listening to the IASCA disk this morning, I remember the first few times I went through each track, and said: "boring songs... what's so special about it? and 2 or 3 tracks that would make my speakers in the doors "SHOCK" like crazy, never even realized what was going on on each track, even listening to the instructions made no sense to me, this CD was supposed to be a super disk for SQ music...

Now I realized everything that I was missing, it's a pleasure to go through each song and test track, feel and almost see every single detail, just by the fact that I don't listen to my speakers I just can't hear the speakers, the sound most of the time is coming from the windshield, like magic, like a ghost ; some times I get a little "WOW!" what was that? and I guess I'm a big fan of a phenomenon known as the “precedence effect” or Haas effect..

http://www.rickygrimaldi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/hass-effect.jpg


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[sqcomp]

^ Here comes the history of musical recording! Quadrophonic stereo..."The QS matrix has been found to offer the advantages of excellent diagonal separation and stereo compatibility, and although the adjacent speaker separation is only 3 dB, this symmetrical distribution produces more stable quadraphonic images."

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/CIMG2641.jpg

Thank you Sansui!

Some might be suprised that this level of quality has been around since the late 40's and then developed to a higher level in the 70's.

[derickveliz2]

And comes with a Microwave on the top right LOL

I wish I could set up a home Hifi system at home. and time to enjoy it.

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[sqcomp]

Well...don't tell my wife, but since she's moving to GWU for 15 months...I've got a plan to move my two handmade towers from the spare bedroom downstairs to the living room. That includes my old school pre amp, old school 2 x 150 amplifier, and a nice little DVD player.

*wringing hands*

I can hook up the computer to the DVD player via HDMI...let the modded music files commence!

[sqcomp]

got a great amount of work done on the car today. I personally handed off the amplifiers, the DRC for the Bit One, and the dash panels to the painter today. I should see those back in a week.

The driver's side mid enclosure is re-aimed and the amp rack has a sub panel built and routered for some nice clean lines. Later this week I'll test fit the dummy amps in and make any adjustments to the sub panel. Then it'll be carpeting for the rack and false floor.

The OEM a-pillars will be back in tomorrow too. More fiberglass work for the bench seat frame sub enclosure will be happening...

AND The home setup sounds great downstairs!

[derickveliz2]

The driver's side mid enclosure is re-aimed
AND The home setup sounds great downstairs!

So did you aim so both Mids have the same off-axis response from sweet spot? like I did or what's your plan?


Did you move everything downstairs? that was fast!


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[sqcomp]

The mids are on the same axis now. I took the cue off of another competition vehicle. I have as yet to get everything hooked back up and sounding of though. I'll get back to you on that. It'll prolly be at the end of the month for the 3x TKE IASCA event at the coast. I'm anxious to hear what the Bit One does now with an upgraded power supply and better op-amps on the outputs. We'll see...

[derickveliz2]

I spot one of this beauties in the Parking lot, I had to park next to and take a couple of pictures... Awesome!!!

Sorry cell phone in use! crappy image quality:


http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/YarisFRS.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/YarisFRS2.jpg



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[derickveliz2]

The mids are on the same axis now. I took the cue off of another competition vehicle. I have as yet to get everything hooked back up and sounding of though. I'll get back to you on that. It'll prolly be at the end of the month for the 3x TKE IASCA event at the coast. I'm anxious to hear what the Bit One does now with an upgraded power supply and better op-amps on the outputs. We'll see...

Awesome, keep us up to date!

What does it means "I took the cue off another"?


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[sqcomp]

I was suprised how small that Scion is. It's not much larger than an RX-8.

The cue I received was from Bill Pleasant's speaker setup. We'll see how things pan out over the next couple months with the competition on the 26th and the INAC competition in Redding, CA in September. All of this is about improving the sound through competition, critical judgement, and experimentation.

[derickveliz2]

I've been cutting my a-pillars, but too much dust )O: and hard work, been careful not to break them.

And not a lot of enthusiast since the system sounds so nice without a-pillars (the plastic panels)

Any way... hitting 85K miles ready for another oil change.

I've been having problems with my latest music from i-tunes when I save it to a memory stick or make a CD some tracks won't play? :iono:

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[sqcomp]

The files that iTunes is using must be incompatible with the ability of the deck. IIRC you have Goldwave, correct? Just save the files to a .WAV format and then put it on your flash drive.

...and yes, the difficulty with the system setups is making the end result visually appealing. This is why it's taking me sooooo long to integrate panels. I'm going to be re working the entire floorboard of my car to make it as flat as possible. I'm taking cues from Mike Peterson's T-bird. He showed me how he made his floor panels with fleece, lead shot, and carpet.

http://all4sq.com/images/sail_front_stage_pic.JPG

[sqcomp]

It's my old man day today...so Check this out:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2ba6c2f7.jpg

Just picked up a nice porterhouse, a traditional German Hefewiessen (and Coke Zero of course)

...After an hour of tinkering to create this:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/f18b5f99.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/f8c02ee4.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/c90e6de6.jpg
^ I didn't take the time to attach the LEDs today. When I do, I'll wire them in with the trunk pin...

[derickveliz2]

The files that iTunes is using must be incompatible with the ability of the deck. IIRC you have Goldwave, correct? Just save the files to a .WAV format and then put it on your flash drive.]

I think I got corrupted files in my PC, from an album 4 out of 15 don't play in my computer either :iono: I tried contacting itunes but no success, in my iPad they play ok.

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[derickveliz2]

I'm taking cues from Mike Peterson's T-bird. He showed me how he made his floor panels with fleece, lead shot, and carpet.

http://all4sq.com/images/sail_front_stage_pic.JPG




Hey those tweeters in spheres look like mine!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Tweeters%20Spheres/a6d31352.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Tweeters%20Spheres/2a72d735.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/NarrowStaged.png


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[derickveliz2]

ok, there is a song in spanish, called "Todos queremos mas" LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFfDm5pWrCk) and talks about how we WANT MORE AND MORE!

so I guess that is why we never finish our projects!


Some one in other forum, is going to donate me a i6SW so I can try to ply 2 woofers up front (I'll give it back after and get my own)
but for the mean time I want to play:

"I want more BASS!"

Ok, so today I added my IDQ12 woofer to my system, I had "Y" RCA connectors and split the signal of the subwoofer, I put the woofer in the back seat and control it with a my PB amp so I can filter everything above 40 Hz and let the 12" woofer play only the LOW notes.

First impression was terrible, Phase issues, so I switch the wires from the 12" Sub (IDQ12) indeterminately I felt that extra BASS but even pushing Time Alignment and with all the power of the front stage + the i6SW I can tell it's coming from the back, and it's not a lot better, for a nice Sound Quality point of view the gain on the amp to the IDQ12 is very little, I can bump it up until the car shakes but no more SQ at that point.

end of the story... that extra little BASS coming from the back is not what I like.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/891ab6c2.jpg


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[derickveliz2]

Next TEST is to grab one of my 10" Solo-Barics and make a small box 0.66 cf and put instead of the i6SW and see what happens,
a square box is too big and may block my MIDs but I just want to try the 10" woofer.

Once I get second i6SWs the box for 2, is going to be around 0.7 cf so it's going to be a good challenge! we'll see how it goes!


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HeIcSniwt2k/TJOa1sLZY4I/AAAAAAAAb_I/tVNY4GiwgcA/s1193/DSC_4206.JPG


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[derickveliz2]

I'm glad I didn't sell my other woofers and amps,
so I can play/test and be creative with my install, I do learn a lot at the same time I'm having so much FUN!. Any suggestions are welcome!

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[derickveliz2]

It's my old man day today...so Check this out:

Just picked up a nice porterhouse, a traditional German Hefewiessen (and Coke Zero of course)

...After an hour of tinkering to create this:

^ I didn't take the time to attach the LEDs today. When I do, I'll wire them in with the trunk pin...

It's nice to spend time with people we love! good for you, you are a good son! isn't your birthday this week?

Nice building the amp rack! What color LEDs lights are you going to use?

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[sqcomp]

I'm using bright white LEDs. Notice the white paint on the inside of the rack? It's flat white. What'll happen is that when I pop the trunk, the LEDs will illuminate the rack and make the surround glow like crazy. The amps and trunk are dark...so that will further accentuate the contrast.

I got it from Jon Webb's G8 sub enclosure idea. Im going to see Jon at CES again this year. I'm glad to be able to consider him a friend. He was awarded Installer of the year in 2011...it turns out that another friend of mine, Jeremy Carlson received the 2012 Installer of the year award at MERA Knowledgefest this last weekend. JC is the one that gave me "magic juice" on my Bit One recently. Gotta love connections...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPKsqKq3ICeoTf0OQMFDcL603aYJKWH 2fX1JX6nS4QiwjD2Qm2&t=1

[derickveliz2]

I got it from Jon Webb's G8 sub enclosure idea.


That is going to look AWESOME!



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[derickveliz2]

Well after 600+ miles with the IDQ12 in the rear seat and some adjustments it can work pretty good! I know it's not a fare comparison but due to the power I'm using, location and enclosure types! if I had to give numbers would be like this:

IDQ12 = 10/10
i6SW = 9/10

Yes the extra little boost on bass that the IDQ12 provides is very little (about 3db or 10% more bass boost), Now I can boost the i6SW alone and perform the same way or even better than the IDQ12, with the exception of Super Loud music. The i6SW doesn't like to blow your ears and nose like the IDQ12 but I'm not that kind of guy any more. If I could get the IDQ12 up front would be another story. but I can't. And the i6SW is working AWESOME in the BASS department, That is way I'm going to try 2 of these babies!

I really like my music to feel the BASS from down all the way up in a BOLD way; what I mean is I like to feel the BASS even when the volume is low, Moderate, and High (not Super High).

I heard many systems that at low and moderate volume there is not a good BASS, you have to crank it up to feel the BASS, I'm naive here but maybe Sqcomp could tells us a little bit more about how is this issue treated in competitions.

Taking in mind that if I increase the gain on the IDQ12 Sound Quality goes away and SPL is Welcome, but the BASS starts coming from the back... and...

There is nothing more Natural that feeling all the BASS coming at you from the Stage!

The IDQ12 is out of the Yaris, I was getting a winding noise (very little but annoying to me) I guess all the extra RCAs running around were picking up that noise.


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[derickveliz2]

A second i6SW in Yaris...

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/2i6SWplans-1.jpg


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[derickveliz2]

After taking out the IDQ12 today, I was playing Hotel California, Honestly....

What a virtual experience, I feel good when I don't have to adjust the BASS for each song! every thing just plays AWESOME! no matter what kind of music, just hit it!

The i6SW hits my chest in a way I just can't describe. I know 2 doesn't means Double but since I'm getting this second woofer for FREE, it's worth the effort!

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Teaser photos....

From the Ground!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/1-DSC09340.jpg



From the Air!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/05-DSC09355.jpg

[sqcomp]

I was about to say...that extra space in there is going bye-bye with a second woofer up front.

Would you be ditching the foam and the inserts under the carpet for a little more space?

I'm working on a center console idea after INAC next month.

In competition, there is a category of judging for linearity at the sub bass level. This is where we get detailed and picky. You could have GREAT sound at a low to moderate level but let's say your amplifier and sub don't mesh well because of power issues at high linearity...well, you get kicked down a couple points for it.

There's also the category of imaging, ambiance, and tonality. All are affected by the sub woofer at some level. It all blends really. If your bass is too overpowering, much like the dual DD1508 setup I messed with earlier this year, you get knocked down for it. That instance had a peaky enclosure with STOOOPID amounts of bass. I took the level down 12 dB at the source to try and tame the amplitude of the signal. I replaced that setup with the ID8 then dual ID8s. I don't know why I even considered a vented DD option (aside from flipping the bird to the SQ world for the hell of it).

There is one reason I'm not using a Hybrid Imagine woofer yet...actually two. One, I get better response from the sealed enclosure woofers and there's a Legatia 13 coming out in a few months that I get to play with.

[derickveliz2]

Would you be ditching the foam and the inserts under the carpet for a little more space?

I'm working on a center console idea after INAC next month.

In competition, there is a category of judging for linearity at the sub bass level. This is where we get detailed and picky. You could have GREAT sound at a low to moderate level but let's say your amplifier and sub don't mesh well because of power issues at high linearity...well, you get kicked down a couple points for it.

There's also the category of imaging, ambiance, and tonality. All are affected by the sub woofer at some level. It all blends really. If your bass is too overpowering, much like the dual DD1508 setup I messed with earlier this year, you get knocked down for it. That instance had a peaky enclosure with STOOOPID amounts of bass. I took the level down 12 dB at the source to try and tame the amplitude of the signal. I replaced that setup with the ID8 then dual ID8s. I don't know why I even considered a vented DD option (aside from flipping the bird to the SQ world for the hell of it).

There is one reason I'm not using a Hybrid Imagine woofer yet...actually two. One, I get better response from the sealed enclosure woofers and there's a Legatia 13 coming out in a few months that I get to play with.



No, I'm not going to remove anything under the carpet, MLV layer is above and rather keep the road noise away, and since it's only an experiment why bother now. If I really need the extra space I will, for sure.

Center console idea? interesting? but I can imagine it's going to be hard to accomplish. Expand please.

Thanks for the info about linearity at the sub bass level, I love to be picky in that department.

I know about the Legatia 13 coming soon, for now I get to play with 2-i6SWs I went to the post office today and there she was!

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[derickveliz2]

Some cool videos about the Haas Effect!


Haas Effect Video 1 (http://youtu.be/LRb9dL_Qmcg)


Haas Effect Video 2 (http://youtu.be/-PFgCrvwByo)

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[derickveliz2]

I was about to say...that extra space in there is going bye-bye with a second woofer up front.

Would you be ditching the foam and the inserts under the carpet for a little more space?

Just to expand more on this...

If every thing works in a positive way... I'm not only going to take out the inserts and foam... I'm thinking about cutting the metal floor and lowering it about 2 inches, then I can build a dual box for 2 i6SW's and rise the floor 1.5 inches.

Letting the vents breath the same way facing forward towards the center of the fire wall.

Just another crazy idea so I don't call this Build "Done!"


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[sqcomp]

Got your mind working again?

I hear that! I'll shoot some pics soon of more work on my trunk.

[derickveliz2]

Got your mind working again?

I hear that! I'll shoot some pics soon of more work on my trunk.


As always!

I posted the drawing above on DIYMA and some claim I'm going to have phase issues because of the woofers aiming in different directions!

so I did this other sketch but what do you think about that?

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/2i6SWplans2.jpg

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[sqcomp]

This is where the old fashioned idea of building a test enclosure so you can move things around and put the speakers in different places becomes really smart.

I did that with all my different subs in this car...especially after that phasing nightmare of placing the 15" in the rear right corner of the trunk and having at least a 3dB loss in out put no matter what I did with the phase. I think I doubled up on acoustic phase demons with that placement attempt.

I'd build a test enclosure shape pretty much as you have it in the picture. One question though, tell us about the ports and their locations. Why to the rear?

[derickveliz2]

This is where the old fashioned idea of building a test enclosure so you can move things around and put the speakers in different places becomes really smart.

I'd build a test enclosure shape pretty much as you have it in the picture. One question though, tell us about the ports and their locations. Why to the rear?

I agree, nothing better than trail & error for me.

Ports are aiming towards the firewall (like the one I have now), what you see as black ovals represent the i6SWs, not ports.

D.

[sqcomp]

I've got to get you pics of the trunk. I just got slow tonight. I need to sling the gaps on the left side of the trunk. That'll take a few days to complete given my work schedule. The I get to play with the right side. That's a little more work since I made an exact shell of the OEM trunk lining. I've got to place the fiberglass panel in on the shell and then cut the extra glass on the form out from the back.

Then it's trimming and filling...then carpet. I've got to get this trunk done before the 17th...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/b8dec1a6.jpg

[derickveliz2]

That looks like a lot of work!

D.

[sqcomp]

I keep changing the pics :)

Tomorrow evening both sides should look similar. It's interesting to me that the Yaris trunk set is a little off center. This was my first time attmepting this...you can tell.

With that being said, I see a lot of improvement on this in the future. I'd look for the Bit One to be placed on the left side soon. Of course I'm going to clean up that back board. The wiring is pissing me off with it going all over the place. Yuck! I'll move the tank up and left a little. The board will be carpeted and installed correctly. The other side holds the fusing...

More pics are about to come down in the next 24-48.

[Alien Mantis]

I leave you two alone for a couple of years, and THIS is what happens.

:eek:

( I should have never left. )

:bonk:

[derickveliz2]

I leave you two alone for a couple of years, and THIS is what happens.

:eek:

( I should have never left. )

:bonk:



Nice to see you around AM

D.

[sqcomp]

AM! WTH?

Where have you been?

Dood...I'm taking a Yaris to IASCA world SQ championships...That's worth two years isn't it?

[Alien Mantis]

I must say, you guys have really been doing some amazing stuff.
I had to catch up on this whole thread, took me awhile to read it all.

I see you have been working on so many of the finer details.
I was surprised to see Derick was running those small sub drivers. ( Those i6SW )
I thought is was also interesting to see you guys playing around with tweeter mounting angles in the A pillars and bouncing it off the windsheild. I was never a fan of aiming tweeters at the listener. I'm a fan of off-axis tweets. Tweets can be harsh anyway, why aim them at your face!

SQ: you are definately pro-level. Gratz on your work so far. I see about 4 or 5 of you guys on here that really take it to the next level. That's your "thing". I respect that.
You know me, I appreciate hi quality audio but never saw the sense in spending alot of money on a really high end car audio system, but if that's your hobby, nothing wrong with it.
After I did that modest system in my Yaris, I have been listening to it and living with it since you last seen me on here. I am about to make a few changes to it. It has been great, and I have been enjoying it, but it has a few minor issues that have been bugging me, and I will try to address them.
I am on step 3 and you guys are on step 1,249.
:biggrin:
You guys put so much work into your systems. I see you are still fans of the HAT stuff.

SQ is going to laugh at me: one of the changes I am going to make to my system is I am ready to ditch that TypeR 10" sub in the slot-ported box. For my type of music, it just doesn't nail it. If I listened to rap, jazz, techno, hip-hop, or country... it would be okay. But it isn't really cut out to play the tight fast beats of power/prog metal.
As SQ once said, the TypeR is an SPL pig. I never forgot that. And you were right. I still say the TypeR is a great sub. I'm sure my box is more to blame than the sub itself. I could put a pair of TypeR tens in a sealed box and be happy with them. But they take alot of AMP to push them. They are power hungry, especially the new ones.
My other issue is ROAD NOISE. My Yaris is just too noisy. So I am going to try and do some sound deadening. Nothing fancy, just something that will help a little bit.
I know you guys are experts on this subject, so feel free to offer a suggestion or two. I would appreciate it.

Keep up the good work guys. I came back here just to see if you guys had actually FINISHED your cars, but as expected, you are still tweaking away on them! Always something else to do. Always a new trick, or a new piece of hardware huh.

SO, since I left, what has been the biggest challenge with your systems?
What is your favorite amps now? How much farther do you need to take your system to get them to where you want them to be?
Derick, what is YOUR goal? Are you going to compete with your Yaris?

[Alien Mantis]

I'm not a fan of that sub box on the front passenger floor.

I know exactly what you are trying to do, but that is a huge compromise.

You know how most people do it, they just overpower you with BASS so you can't really tell what direction it's coming from.
You guys are so focused on creating the perfect "sound stage".
In a large open room, it's pretty straightforward. In a car... it's a whole different story.
I wouldn't even want to try and tackle it.
But I guess that's the whole challenge of car audio SQ competition, isn't it.

[sqcomp]

AM - I completely understand wanting to keep the agenda simple in the car. In some ways I do to... *can I lie through my teeth in the internet?*

A lot of money is relative. I know Scott has something near $300k into Black Betty...

I completely understand about the Type R. Try a small sealed enclosure 10" that's sensitive if you don't have a lot of juice to push it. Heck, I should give you my dual 8"s to try out. I LOVE them with rock. Rage's Take the Power Back is specfriggintacular in my car.

My new piece is going to be a whole new center console that'll integrate the subs in the back and separate the rear floor with the two downfiring subs.

Biggest challenge with MY system? Being content. Figuring out how to do all these tricks that you don't see. Learning new techniques to do new things.

Favorite amps? That's a trick question. I have the three DD amplifiers that I'm currently using in competition. I've chosen those over a McIntosh 6 channel I have sitting in my garage right now. Why? More dynamic power. Do I need it? yes and no. One never knows when you're going to need an ALMS Corvette C6R on the freeway do you? :)

The amplifiers are fine just the way they are. I'm playing with trim and making the car pretty and different. It should please all the Yaris owners to know that I'll probably be the only Yaris at IASCA SQ world championships on the 22nd. :)

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/14017cc2.jpg

I'm getting there...I have two weeks to install the amps, LEDs for the amp rack there, install the solid state relay and tune my car with that Bit One that has "magic juice" in it...

[Alien Mantis]

$300k ??? I didn't even think that was possible.

Dual 8's would be good for my kind of music.
I am definately going sealed box this time around. I have 400w RMS to work with for just the subs. ( Unless I want to buy a bigger amp, which I would rather not. ) It should be enough power to get the job done if I pick some efficient drivers and go with the correct box. As I said, my system has been fine. I've been enjoying it. I just decided to tweak it a little bit, and try to get some sound deadening going. Chassis is noisy.
If I can tighten up the bass a little, and control the noise a little, i'll be totally happy.
You know how it is, you can't leave it alone forever. ( Even me! )

Is that your trunk? What is the air system for?
You might be the only Yaris at the competition because the Yaris is probably not the best starting platform to work with.

When you said $300k for the black betty, is that the whole car, or just the audio system in it?
Any links to some pics of the black betty? I wanna check it out.

[sqcomp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgvTGOULDgY&playnext=1&list=PL98F6342E755DADA2&feature=results_video

Here's an introduction to Black Betty. When Scott was shooting this, I was up in the suite cooking for his clients. Later that day when they shut down the convention hall Scott was dealing with clients and asked me to shut down the car. THAT was very interesting. I spent a little time listening...

400 Watts is fine mang. Just get a woofer or two that are efficient and into that sealed enclosure. You'll be amazed what the "feeling" is when you have woofers that combine well with your mids (and with the music as a whole).

What's in my trunk is three amplifiers, a compressor and the air tank. What's the tank for?

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil03.gif

Train horns

[Alien Mantis]

Here's an introduction to Black Betty.

Oh... i understand now. That is one sick car. I really enjoyed the engine compartment. That is a show winner for sure.


400 Watts is fine mang. Just get a woofer or two that are efficient and into that sealed enclosure. You'll be amazed what the "feeling" is when you have woofers that combine well with your mids (and with the music as a whole).

That's the plan. My current sub does not seem to "combine well" with my mids. My current system seems to be optimized for RAP music. It does that really well. My ported box is tuned for that stuff. I need it to be more optimized for METAL. I'm going with two Infinity Reference 1060w subs this time, in a 1.5cf sealed box. These subs are effecient ( 91db ) low power ( max RMS 275w ) and have a factory rated Xmax of 13mm. On paper, they move some air with lower power requirements. Going from a single sub to 2 should keep my SPL up, while the sealed box will tighten up my response. Very basic stuff compared to what everyone else is doing, but that's where I am at. Got six 12x24 sound dampening sheets coming too. Probably need to buy some more because I plan to do the rear hatch area as well as the doors and rear quarters. So much road noise in this little car.


What's the tank for?

Train horns

Ah, okay. I didn't know if you had air-bag suspension or something.

:biggrin:

[sqcomp]

...Installed the LEDs this afternoon and tested them out with all the trim in and on. It's going to look GREAT at night when you open that trunk!

Also installed the solid state relay. Can't really test it out until I get everything in the car on Monday though. Over the weekend I'll be reworking the wiring in the trunk. Monday I'll pick up more 3/8" quick connect fittings for re-routing the air line to take stress off the bends before I hit the shop.

Oh! Love this...I somehow lost my OEM carpetting. I have no flippin' clue where it is. GREAT! That's not an expensive fix or anything...Edit...found it squirreled away in a back cabinet at teh shop. Phew!

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/35a5eac3.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/1771132f.jpg

Okay, both these pics were taken under shop halogen lighting. That trunk is going to light up big time at night when you open the trunk. That with the contrast between the black painted amps and the white paint then the LEDs...

Also that carpeted surround is just a mid panel between the rack and the top beauty panel. It's not intended to be seen, rather it hides the LED strip and the edges of the rack from direct view.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/a1cd1357.jpg

I also got the solid state relay installed. That is a boring detail BUT in competition you're penalized for relay noise. Whelp...a solid state relay doesn't make any noise...AND...this relay that I have has variable turn off delay. That will allow time for the components upstream to turn off before unloading current onto the amplifiers and causing pop. The back board is carpeted already and I need to move the tank location tonight and create a hole for the air line to go through the panel for a more stress free run.

[derickveliz2]

SO, since I left, what has been the biggest challenge with your systems?
What is your favorite amps now? How much farther do you need to take your system to get them to where you want them to be?
Derick, what is YOUR goal? Are you going to compete with your Yaris?

Thanks AM,

Challenge... Learning, Listening, Tuning, Understanding, Time, Money and Tools!

Favorite amp?... My old Premier (Pioneer) amp 400 watts RMS directly into my 6.5" woofer it's amazing,

but The Gold is for the Image Dynamics for the Mid-Bass (HAT L6's) at 175 watts x 2, in some songs I turn off the Sub just to show off, almost no change in the music, and people go AAAGGGHHHHH

How much further?... If I had the time and money mmm you wouldn't believe it! but reality... I would like to finish every detail, to make everything look neat!

Goals? my goals are all left behind, the more I learn and the more I'm getting from my system new Goals start to show up, It's like the never ending story.

Compete? ... you know I have many invitations, (PA, Canada, Main, etc) I would love to go, not just for competing and see where I'm, but to learn from others.

All my SQ local friends have a big respect for the little Yaris, and they look for my advice, that makes me feel good too.

Ironically the Yaris turned into a very good platform for my system, some times I dream "if I could buy any car to install a SQ system and improve what I have now!" .... I get good PLDs (9-inches) with my Mids, Tweeters are far way from me, off-axis, left tweeter is 48" away from my left ear, The Sub up front fits perfectly and I can still have a passenger, and the Lows (Mid-Bass) in the doors work ok, would like to have them further up but like you said, in a car everything it's a challenge.

I love my yaris, honestly drives so good, looks good and sounds good, I would be heart broken if I had to let it go for other car.


I'm not a fan of that sub box on the front passenger floor.
The single i6SW is not on all the floor is took to the center console leaving enough space for passenger, the 2nd i6SW is just an experiment, but I'm very pleased with only one i6SW, lately I've been playing with other woofers, and even the IDQ12 in 1cf sealed box! against the i6SW and at the end of the day, I just go back to the i6SW... Sound Quality and overall performance, any music... just throw at it and without any adjustments the system will play it beautiful. Off course this is not a SPL system so don't expect to blow your ears! or to be one of the guys that you can tell his coming blocks away!

I know exactly what you are trying to do, but that is a huge compromise.
Please expand... to me it's all about a natural sound-stage

You know how most people do it, they just overpower you with BASS so you can't really tell what direction it's coming from.
I know! As far as of today all systems I've heard like that hurt my ears and take away the beautiful letters "SQ" from my equation and no matter what... I still can tell where it's coming from "The Back"

You guys are so focused on creating the perfect "sound stage".
YES! YES! YES!

In a large open room, it's pretty straightforward. In a car... it's a whole different story.
Agree 110%

I wouldn't even want to try and tackle it.

But I guess that's the whole challenge of car audio SQ competition, isn't it.
YES! but in my case not for competition, just for pure satisfaction and joy!
When I listen to my system I forget about commuting, problems, traffic, mortgage, Milk, meetings, news, etc, etc.

Welcome back! AM and don't forget about a layer of MLV to block the road noise. Now you can buy at H.D. online at a good price!

D.

[derickveliz2]

...Installed the LEDs this afternoon and tested them out with all the trim in and on. It's going to look GREAT at night when you open that trunk!

Looks like you are going at 100 MPH!

Looks good, I still need to install the relay, trying to figure out how?


D.

[sqcomp]

I'm stuck right now until tomorrow.

You see the pic up there with the tank and the compressor? Turn the tank over (upside down and put the compressor on the other side. That's how it's layed out now. I've switched the air line output to keep it on the right side of the car.

...In the process I got too far ahead of myself and need to recarpet the board. The shop is closed today.

That being said, tomorrow is a busy one! I'll get some new fittings to help take the stress off the air line. I'll get the board component mounting points installed, carpet the board, put everything back up, install all of it, make the wires pretty...finalize the DRC mounting back on the modded mounting kit, install the amps, processor and stereo.

Tomorrow night I should have sound, air, and lighting. Over the next week will come the tuning. I'll try to have Bill Pleasant come down next weekend so we can two seat this heffer and get it ready for INAC. Two pairs of ears are better than one in this case.

[derickveliz2]

Tomorrow night I should have sound, air, and lighting.

Sounds like a famous Rock Band!

Hurry up!

D.

[sqcomp]

Whellp...I got the back board ready to go in. The fuse holder is waiting until I get the board up in the car.

My mind is on the morning. First stop is the fluid connector supply place...to work to pick up some bread for my peeps at the shop...then to the hospital for a pre surgery consult...THEN it's shop time.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/6c1929c1.jpg

It's not much of a picture, but the trunk can be assembled and ready in a half an hour. All wiring, RCAs and amplifiers. You see that hole where the air line is pointing to? The hose is going to go through the board at that point. That whole board is sitting up vertically when I get it in. Notice that the tank and compressor are both placed up more That'll give the amp rack more space to be seen. Those two pairs of wires will also be loomed up in black to blend in better. I still have to figure out the run path...

[Alien Mantis]

Derick, this is your little sub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8yArcObFZI

Amazing "output", but I'm sure this setup would be garbage for "response".

[sqcomp]

For a second I thought link into the video we made last year of the L4s playing bass mekanik...

[Alien Mantis]

Got the Infinity 10's in the car today. Took it for a test run.
Initial impression: I LIKE IT.
Output seems to be about the same. Bass is cleaner and tighter, which was exactly what I wanted. Tighter kick-drum hits. Still plays really deep stuff too.
Sounds more "controlled" and musical.
The single TypeR 10 in the slot-ported box was boomy. It liked stuff like Beat Dominator, but was a little loose and muddy with rock and metal music.
The two Infinity 10's in the sealed box can do the Beat Dominator really nice, but also handles the metal stuff way better. Glad I went for the switch.
I really wasn't sure how much of a difference it would make, and whether or not it would be worth it, but it was worth it.
Only putting 200w RMS each to these Infinity's, and they are sounding sweet.
I'm sure they will get a little better once they get broken-in a bit.

NEXT project: sound deadening.
Gotta pull my interior panels back off and install the Stinger Roadkill.
I know it will help. I wish I could have done it back when I changed my speakers, but funds were tight, and I didn't really know how much difference it would make.
After living with this car for a few years, one thing is certain: it is NOISY.
The Roadkill is going to help it. Even if I wasn't ever going to do a system in it, the car still needs it!

SQ: these Infinity's are blending with my mids. I can hear a big difference.
The old TypeR was just off by itself in la-la land. My whole system sounds more "musical" now. No other way to really describe it. It's nice and clean.
Can't wait to get the Roadkill in there.

[derickveliz2]

Derick, this is your little sub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8yArcObFZI

Amazing "output", but I'm sure this setup would be garbage for "response".


Yeah! that's the one, but mine lives in a smaller box with 0.35cf and a 15" long 2" Dia. port (Just what HAT recommends) and with 300 watts more.

The feeling of the music coming at you from the front feels so natural, the Bass hits my chest, not the seat, and I love it!

D.

[Alien Mantis]

... in a galaxy far far away... ( as in: the early 90's )

I was checking out some gear in a local car audio shop. I was testing some subs in a truck. I tried some 10's in boxes. I tried some Bazooka tubes.
10" Bazooka tubes were too big to fit anywhere. Tried the 8", it was okay.
Then I tried two of the 6" Bazooka tubes. Bass was SWEET. Very musical and smooth. Smooth and tight at the same time. Problem was, they were not loud at all. GREAT SQ.... no SPL at all really.

I seen some Sundown Audio 8's. Them things are AWESOME.
They like the power though.

I'm definately getting more into SQ over SPL these days.
I don't listen to music that loud, and I hate boomy bass that you can hear coming down the street. I don't want that in my car.
I like clean, punchy sound IN my car. Since switching to those Infinity's, I got it. Those Infinity's are efficient. They work good with lower power.
Picked `em up for $60 each. Well worth it.
I'm sure two TypeR 10's in a sealed box would be great too, but I would need a 900w amp to push them.

So many different ways to go. Too many choices really.
I just gotta get that Roadkill in there... and then I will be happy and content.
:headbang:

[Alien Mantis]

SQ: So.... is the new "fad" TRANSMISSION LINE boxes now?

Seems like the stuff Bose has been doing for awhile. What they refer to as: "acoustic waveguide technology"

:confused:

[sqcomp]

It does seem to be the thing. I'm not taking part in it...

I'm looking at an Imagine 10 SW in a sealed enclosure while I wait for the Legatia 13.

[Alien Mantis]

What ever happened to Image Dynamics? I remember you used to love those subs.

SonicElectronix is selling ID subs now. ( They have been for awhile )

:biggrin:

[sqcomp]

ID? Oooohhh....Sensitive subject.

The originals were forced out by the main financer IIRC. ID has gone the way of PG when Ronin bought it out.

Not the same.

[Alien Mantis]

Yikes. Bad politics on the ID thing.
Remember when Lanzar was high-end boutique? They sold-out too.

You must be running all HAT drivers now anyway, huh. You like the subs they offer?
I was on their website checking them out. Was kinda funny, because the description of the Imagine 10 was very close to the Infinity Reference 10 I just got.
Higher Xmax rating on the Imagine 10, but very similar design. Stamped basket, rubber surround, poly cone, 2" voice coil. About same power requirements.
The Imagine sub has aluminum voice coil. Infinity is copper.
I'll bet the Imagine's aren't selling for $60 though.

:biggrin:

[sqcomp]

Naw...the I10s aren't the same I can guarantee that. That being said, I'm looking at working with one later this year. I just have to sell my 15" to afford it now.

I've worked the trim pieces for the door panels. I'll be hanging the door panels by Wednesday next week. I've got to clean the garage and get the carpet down in the car.

I'm working on the only true bug in the system now...

[Alien Mantis]

Naw...the I10s aren't the same I can guarantee that.

I'm sure they're not, but I don't see what the significant differences are. ( Besides the obvious inverted surround )
( Must be little secret details.)

That being said, I'm looking at working with one later this year. I just have to sell my 15" to afford it now.

A 15" in the Yaris? Did you just free-air it in the trunk on a baffle board? :biggrin: Them things take a HUGE box.

I've worked the trim pieces for the door panels. I'll be hanging the door panels by Wednesday next week. I've got to clean the garage and get the carpet down in the car.

Hopefully tomorrow I will get going on the sound deadening. Excited to see how much of a difference it makes. I'm using the Stinger Roadkill Expert stuff.

I'm working on the only true bug in the system now...

Which is WHAT exactly?

[sqcomp]

I'll get Scott to chime in on the engineering and building differences between the I10 and the Infinity if that's okay. I don't want to say somthing that is incorrect regarding the HAT product.

The 15 was sealed in the trunk. That's where it worked the best for me. Facing toward the trunk lid. I still have the glass spare tire well wenclosure as well as the pre-fab enclosure for it. At this point I'd throw them both in for free. I need space in my garage.

I love the Stinger Roadkill Expert. If you go with foam, the Overkill is THE shit.

The bug? Turn of sequence for my source, processor and amps.

I apologize about the crappy iPhone 3gs camera. It's a fee phone so I don't complain (too much). Hopefully I can get the new 5 through a set of unfortunate accidents with this current phone. :P

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/f6c1571f.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/afc053b4.jpg
^Painted trim ring.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/26e3a34f.jpg
^Trim ring with the grill mesh. I'll permanently attach them tonight and let them sit until everything is cured.

Oh yeah...I forgot about the dash. I'll take a couple pics and throw those up.

[Alien Mantis]

That's cool with me if Scott wants to get into the technical aspects of his subs. I was just curious, but it's not something I need to know.

I got started on the Roadkill job this morning, then it got too hot so I had to quit. I got the drivers door finished at least.
The plan is to tackle the passenger door this evening when the sun goes down. I'm working in my driveway. No shade or anything.
:frown:
Roadkill is easy to cut and work with, but the whole job is very time-consuming. I've got over 2 hours on this one door.
Tomorrow I plan to do the rear speaker areas. I will be using some filler-foam back there after I apply the Roadkill pieces.
I can already tell a big difference on this one door. Just giving it a "thump-test", it sounds way different than the other side which has not been done yet.
Can't wait to get the whole thing done, then take it for a cruise.

Here's a quick pic of the progress. I wasn't quite finished at this point, but you get the idea. I tried to get the stuff on the outer skin, as well as the inner skin.

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv182/Shadow_Tactix/Yaris/roadkill_3254.jpg

[Alien Mantis]

2 more hours.... passenger door DONE.

I still have a long way to go. Gotta do the rear speaker areas, the hatch, and the spare tire area. Going to chip away at it again tomorrow.
I'll be glad when it's done.

A quick pic of the new Infinity's: ( nothing like a $25 pre-fab sealed box, huh )
:smoking:

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv182/Shadow_Tactix/Yaris/Infinity_3256.jpg

[sqcomp]

Does it work? Yes? Then there's nothing wrong with it.

[Alien Mantis]

Does it work? Yes? Then there's nothing wrong with it.

Yeah, it's working great.

I just figured a pre-fab box is very boring for you. So I was making a little joke.

Truth is, I can't build a box for what these cost. So i'm just being cheap and lazy, but it gets the job done.
I want good music in my car, and I don't want to have to slave away for days or weeks to get it.
I'm not in the "custom car audio business", nor do I compete.

Custom boxes are sweet, but not necessary for me.

Another truth is... I hate having to do the Roadkill. But this car needs it, so I have to suck it up and do it.
"Road noise" is seriously getting in the way of my music.
After living with this for awhile, I decided something has to be done about it.
I would rather not have to do it, but it needs it.

I love high-end competition audio systems. But I don't have the desire to do this in my car. If the music is strong and clean, i'm happy. That's all I need.

[sqcomp]

You know what? There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. You know if D or I can help you, let us know.

[Alien Mantis]

Another 2 hours spent... one more section done.

Rear speaker area on the drivers side: ( yes, that's a 6 1/2" coax )

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv182/Shadow_Tactix/Yaris/6kill_3257.jpg

Acoustic foam to finish it off:

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv182/Shadow_Tactix/Yaris/foam_3259.jpg

[sqcomp]

Watch out for mold or mildew coming off the foam in a couple years. Not saying it will happen, just beware of the potential.

[Alien Mantis]

Watch out for mold or mildew coming off the foam in a couple years. Not saying it will happen, just beware of the potential.

Yeah, I can see where that could be a concern.

Out here in Arizona, it's hot and dry. I shouldn't have any issues with mold in there, but I was a little concerned about that stuff catching on fire.
I think it will be okay though.

If I lived in a colder damp climate, mold and mildew could certainly form in there over time.
As always, your insight is appreciated.

All I have left to do now is the rear hatch area and lid.
I should be able to get to that tomorrow morning.

I didn't like messing with those rear interior panels. They are kinda tricky.
Gotta be careful not to break any clips. I just had to take my time.

[Alien Mantis]

I spent about 4 hours on the rear hatch lid and the spare-tire-well today.

My back is not going to be happy tomorrow morning.
:cry:

I used almost all of my material. Only had a couple of small pieces left over.
Everything sounds nice and solid when I thump on it.
I walked around the whole car, thumping on it. Big difference from the way it used to be.
Much quieter when I open and close the doors. The doors just make a tiny "thud" sound now.
Haven't done the test-drive yet. I will probably take it for a spin later tonight.
Should be okay, we'll see.

[Alien Mantis]

SQ: I seen your 15" in the trunk. I was going back over this whole thread earlier today. And your WALL of DD amps. That 15 was a Hertz.
Killer looking sub. I'll bet it pounded hard.
Any recent pics of your latest setup?
I also seen all the work D was doing to try and get his sub in the front of the car. Nice little enclosure he built for it.
I don't like subs up front, it costs you leg room. I'll just deal with the bass coming from the rear. Doesn't bother me at all.

Initial report from my test-drive:
Definitely quieter. It mellowed out the noise. Still a little road noise on the rougher roads, but nothing like it used to be, and almost silent on smooth roads. Love it.
Now here comes the strange part. This surprised me.
The system sounds crisper and punchier!
The whole system sounds "tighter". Not sure how to explain it.
The highs are extra crisp. The bass is tight and punchy. Very clean.
I'm sure all the "noise" was clouding the music, and now more of the music is coming through. I just didn't expect it to be that noticeable.
1st impression: I like it. It's a definite improvement. I'm glad it's DONE.

We'll see if my viewpoint changes as time goes on, but right now I am pleased with it.

I felt guilty about hijacking your thread, but then I realized this thread was about "sound deadening" and "upgrading". So.... I stayed on-topic.

:biggrin:

[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/0a711ff9.jpg

I'm dealing with a fuse and ground issue at this time. I should have the car up and operating again on Wednesday.

[Alien Mantis]

That is so simple and clean looking. I like it.

What is that smaller control panel under your HU?

If it's not giving away any secrets, can you tell me your entire system setup?

What is your chain from source to drivers?
I'm just curious what you are running now. Your whole system.

( If you want to keep it a secret I understand. You compete with it. )

[sqcomp]

AM, I'm not ignoring you. I'm dealing with a serious issue that came up with the system on Sunday. This may or may not keep me from competing at world SQ championships in a few days. It all comes down to Wednesday night...

I'll fill you in on the system, it's future, after this weekend...oh, and there are NO secrets.

This is as close to a diagram as I have now:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/ffd14bcd.jpg

[Alien Mantis]

It's okay. I know you are not ignoring me. You have been busy.
Thanks for the diagram. That is exactly what I was looking for. Great info.
Really sweet setup. I like the Audison Bitone. Total control.

Now... you know what obvious question I am going to have for you, right?

Here it comes:

WHY do you have those ridiculously OVERPOWERED surfboard S2b amps powering those L6se's and ID8's ?!?!?
:eek:

Those L6se's are rated at what, 75w RMS at 4ohms ???

You must have the gain barely cracked on those amps!
Those amps could push those driver cones right out of the baskets!

If I had to guess, I would say you are running that setup because when you barely crack an overpowered amp the signal stays PURE.
You may only be using a small fraction of the amps power, but this maintains the integrity of the signal.

Am I on the right track? ( It still seems WAY overpowered to me. )

:biggrin:

[Alien Mantis]

Let me know when you get your problem figured out. I hope it doesn't keep you from competing.

Good luck. I know you'll fix it.

[derickveliz2]

I felt guilty about hijacking your thread, but then I realized this thread was about "sound deadening" and "upgrading". So.... I stayed on-topic.

Initial report from my test-drive:
Definitely quieter. It mellowed out the noise. Still a little road noise on the rougher roads, but nothing like it used to be, and almost silent on smooth roads. Love it.
Now here comes the strange part. This surprised me.
The system sounds crisper and punchier!
The whole system sounds "tighter". Not sure how to explain it.
The highs are extra crisp. The bass is tight and punchy. Very clean.
I'm sure all the "noise" was clouding the music, and now more of the music is coming through. I just didn't expect it to be that noticeable.
1st impression: I like it. It's a definite improvement. I'm glad it's DONE.

We'll see if my viewpoint changes as time goes on, but right now I am pleased with it.

:biggrin:

It's ok with me AM no problem! I enjoy the activity and sharing with every body.

"Sound deadening" and "Block road noise"...

Now just imagine when the proper system to block road noise comes in place.

by adding some "roadkill" to metal you start controlling reverberation, and I see you can tell the difference, also helps for a better environment to listen music.

To block road noise with roadkill you'll need at least 3 or 4 layers to accomplish what a system of combining MLV+CCfoam+roadkill would do.

keep up the good work!

D.

[sqcomp]

AM - Those big amps have the ability to launch any speakers I have in this system through the earth's core...

I got them for the "WOW" factor really. Control, headroom what have you. If I were to change, I'd have to sell this big boys off, I'd probably go with JL Audio's HD line of amplifiers. Prolly four 600/4 amps or seven 750/1 amps (as a last resort from JL, I might go with seven XD600/1). Arc Audio has offered to put me on their team and even though I appreciate their SE amplifiers...I'd prolly pick JL over Arc. Just a choice made by observation over these last few years of the manufacturers and their representatives.

...Tomorrow night I'll have experience over my shoulder to tell me whether I'm screwed or not. I've narrowed the issue down as specifically as I can...somewhere on the harness...this is the only thing I see holding me back from having a Yaris represent at world finals.

[Alien Mantis]

To block road noise with roadkill you'll need at least 3 or 4 layers to accomplish what a system of combining MLV+CCfoam+roadkill would do.

D.

I agree.

I could have done more, but I really didn't want to go through all that trouble.
I just needed to give it a little help.
I am very glad I did what I did. It's good enough for me.
I had no expectations of ever making it silent. Would take too much work.

You and SQcomp went overkill on your project, but I know what you are trying to accomplish.
I didn't touch my system for two years. And now I did some Roadkill and a new subwoofer setup.
You guys never stopped working on your systems!

:biggrin:

[derickveliz2]

.
I heard form sqcomp that the Bit-One it's giving him a hard time.

I hope he got it all figured out!

D.

[derickveliz2]

Last week I had the opportunity to get a Demo from a guy that was leaving to PA for the competitions down there (OHHH I was mad that I couldn't go)...

He's equipment was a 2 way active system, with MidBass in doors, Tweeters in a-pillars and a woofer in the trunk. (I'm not going in what type of speakers he has just so we don't fall in what speakers are better than others)

also he had a huge Zapco amp and a JL amp. he also had Time Alignment and digital EQ

After an hour or so of playing many tracks (his and mine) he asked me to hear my Yaris...

Long story short:

1st 10 seconds... "OMG"

after 3 or 4 tracks (previouslly played in his car)... he kept turning his head to the rear and asked me... "Are you sure you don't have speakers in the rear?" ( I don't )

after 30 minutes or so... "I'm impressed your Mids are down in the kick area and stage is up there, very impressive!"

I'm still to find out how he did at the competitions in PA

D.

[derickveliz2]

Last week I had the opportunity to get a Demo from a guy that was leaving to PA for the competitions down there (OHHH I was mad that I couldn't go)...


I'm still to find out how he did at the competitions in PA

D.


I feel good now!

"Hey Derick.

I got second out of 4 other people in Iasca pro am division."


D.

[sqcomp]

^I'm loving that post D! Now...you should be in the Amateur class in IASCA. Remember that when you hit your first show.

He's in Pro am and he's wondering about why you don't have rear fill?!? MWAHAHA!!! Look...Pro/Am is where the big boys start off.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil05.gif

He's in my class. Send him to me...

As for the bit one...it was nothing to do with the bit one or the deck. I was overloading the circuit with demand. I fixed that by running the amps off another circuit.

BUT

I'm still having issues. I'm unsure if it's a bad voice coil in my right mid or it's the amplifier. With that, I'm going to do a Conan the Barbarian on this problem. I'm replacing the mids AND the amplifier less than 24 hours before the show...in Redding.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent041.gif

I'm gonna beat this problem! I'm going to have my boys around to help too...

[Alien Mantis]

AM - Those big amps have the ability to launch any speakers I have in this system through the earth's core...

I got them for the "WOW" factor really. If I were to change, I'd have to sell this big boys off, I'd probably go with JL Audio's HD line of amplifiers.


Yeah, that makes sense.

JL HD line is what all the rich kids use.

:biggrin:

[Alien Mantis]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil05.gif

He's in my class. Send him to me...


He's NOT in your class. Your car would smoke him.

[sqcomp]

AM...

JL HD...Expensive? Not hardly. Although I know some things that make JL a little more affordable.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg81/scaled.php?server=81&filename=thesis2am3.jpg&res=landing

^This is expensive. Think $42,000 in those three amplifiers...

[Alien Mantis]

AM...

JL HD...Expensive? Not hardly.

When compared to other high-quality units out there, true.
I have never used a JL amp, but everything I heard about them is all positive.
Spec-wise, they look great on paper.
If I were going to build a SQ system, I would certainly look into running them.


^This is expensive. Think $42,000 in those three amplifiers...

Hehehehe! :smoking:

Those are the DiLithium Matrix controllers from the USS Enterprise, right?
Commander LaForge let you photograph them?

:bow:

Seriously, those are Audison Thesis with custom LED lighting?

$42k? Really? :eek:

[sqcomp]

Those are indeed the Thesis Venti amplifiers. IIRC, they're $14k a piece at MAP. The dealers get them on 50% accomodation once per year (it's a special program). If I had money to burn, I'd think about them on accomodation through the shop.

I've got another project over the next several years that will be a good bit more exciting and rewarding than just playing with exotic amplifiers. Hopefully I get put on another deployment...that'll help pay for it REALLY quickly.

Oh...and I fixed my issue. It was an unfortunate palm to forhead that figures type of situation.

[_S7V7N_]

Loose connection for $10.

[Alien Mantis]

Oh...and I fixed my issue. It was an unfortunate palm to forhead that figures type of situation.


Oh, nice!
Glad you won't have to miss your competition.

Bring us back a few pics. ( and a trophy! )

:smoking:

[sqcomp]

http://us12.memecdn.com/fml_o_577538.jpg

Dood! WTF!

Murphy's Law rules the day. Things just took a turn for the worse BEFORE the show!!! The Bit One completely died on the right side AS Scott Buwalda was listening to the car. We had the car phase perfect too and were going to start EQing. This forced me to remove the seats, carpet, re run the wiring from the back and start completely over on the P-01..less than 12 hours before the show.

I'll keep you guys in the know.

I've already started planning for next year. These audio demons need to go away...

[derickveliz2]

^I'm loving that post D! Now...you should be in the Amateur class in IASCA. Remember that when you hit your first show.

He's in Pro am and he's wondering about why you don't have rear fill?!? MWAHAHA!!! Look...Pro/Am is where the big boys start off.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil05.gif

He's in my class. Send him to me...

Me too, I don't know if I want to cry or celebrate!

That means I would have been in 2nd place or even 1st place, I know the guy who won 1st place, I spoke with him some time ago he is from NY state he has a Ford Fusion.

It feels good any way! and when I'm in my car it sounds even better.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Some time it just takes a bit one to screw a lot of them.

I'm sorry to hear your journey, I hope 12 hours is enough to eat, sleep and tune.

Good Luck!

D.

[sqcomp]

...I'm half raging and half motivated.

What was REALLY neat though regardless of what happened was what I learned about tuning from Scott. One of these days I'll share it.

The deck was taken down because of the processor malfunction. Now I have to find somewhere in the US that can fix the P-01. I'm already making arangements to fix the Bit One...it's going away though. Even if it never breaks down again, I won't have it in my car or any other Elettromedia product if I can possibly help it. Anything that busts the very day I need it is not worthy to be used in my car. Having heard the other Pro/Am vehicles...I could have won the class. That is what stings me most...

Regardless, I've already started the next steps to next season. The mids are going back up top. The tweeters are staying in the sails. Scott Buwalda said, "Get those mids back up in those pillars...NOW...". Sir, yes sir. I've already started surgery on the pillars I used to have up there. I'm expecting the pillars ready and mounted by early November. I also expect the system to be sounding off by December...P-01 or not.

I've been talking with my contacts and I'll be working closely with Zapco for processing. Also expect to see some neat custom work happening. I'll leave it at that for now.

I'll kick up some pics...

[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0636_zps17005d11.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0634_zps37fb86f3.jpg

^The new Yaris powerplant...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0620_zps5b7cdd00.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0610_zpsce2cca92.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0611_zps77fe2ae3.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0612_zps35f27b38.jpg

[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0613_zpse912c278.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0614_zps96bdf803.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0592_zpsc761d485.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0590_zpsd17ebcdf.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0622_zps002cfe57.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0579_zps6a871a34.jpg

^Scott Buwalda advising on the Yaris tune

[_S7V7N_]

I'll won't be metering at Heat Wave either. Sold my stuff a few weeks ago. Imma go on a super low budget this next go round and try some 8 inch American Bass subs and that cheap lil Audio Pop and see how it sounds. Pretty sure i can piss off a few of the local hardcore streat beaters.

[derickveliz2]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0579_zps6a871a34.jpg

^Scott Buwalda advising on the Yaris tune


What software is he using?

My Yaris is Jealous

D.

[sqcomp]

You don't need the processor mang. After my processor took a crap we did everything we could to lower the noise floor in the P-01 that the processor's death somehow caused. We still tuned the car...under Scott's advice the stage opened up and was a lot more airy and accurate.

Oooh! I've already started on re-tooling the pillars from 2011. I have pics too! I'll text you my progress so far...

[sickpuppy1]

I am so bummed about the part failure keeping you from the comp.....That really sucks.
I'm also real curious about the 1st car with twin turbos and the belt drive to the axle. What car was that?

[derickveliz2]

You don't need the processor mang. After my processor took a crap we did everything we could to lower the noise floor in the P-01 that the processor's death somehow caused. We still tuned the car...under Scott's advice the stage opened up and was a lot more airy and accurate.

Oooh! I've already started on re-tooling the pillars from 2011. I have pics too! I'll text you my progress so far...

What is "noise floor"?

D.

[sqcomp]

"In signal theory, the noise floor is the measure of the signal created from the sum of all the noise sources and unwanted signals within a measurement system, where noise is defined as any signal other than the one being monitored."

That vehicle with the supercharger and turbos is a frame off Ford GT. it's also worth around 300k...

The equipment failure didn't stop me from competing...it did stop me from placing. That being said, it took Scott 5 tries at INAC to come home with a trophy. I'll be back next year for sure...and I'm working with a known industry installer to work my special idea for the woofers. That and I've already stared modding my pillars from the 2011 season after Scott mentioned that I should move them back up there ASAP.

[derickveliz2]

"In signal theory, the noise floor is the measure of the signal created from the sum of all the noise sources and unwanted signals within a measurement system, where noise is defined as any signal other than the one being monitored."

I'm working with a known industry installer to work my special idea for the woofers. That and I've already stared modding my pillars from the 2011 season after Scott mentioned that I should move them back up there ASAP.

Can you record that noise?
just curious

Very curious about special idea for woofers!

How are you going to install the L4SE's in a-pillars even more curious!

D.

[Alien Mantis]

How are you going to install the L4SE's in a-pillars even more curious!



Man, you guys inspired me. I'm going PRO!
:biggrin:

I just put some 15" subs in my A-pillars! I'm sure to win now!
Nobody has ever tried this before!
:drool:

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv182/Shadow_Tactix/tags/15yaris_dash2.jpg

[sqcomp]

You could record the noise but its simply noise that is added after the original signal.

The subwoofers...It's probably going to make my yaris a true four seater versus two front seats and a bench in back...

...And I sent you the pics of my old pillars being modified...

[sqcomp]

AM - Get some! WoOt!

...maybe not 15"s but look closely at the dash...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0672_zps797ac0ce.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0669_zpsbb6a201d.jpg

[Alien Mantis]

...maybe not 15"s but look closely at the dash...


That looks really sweet. I like it.

:thumbsup:

[sqcomp]

That's work from Audio Xperts in California. Vince Miranda is the shop owner...known him to a couple years now. Great guy.

[derickveliz2]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0672_zps797ac0ce.jpg



Now is this a 1 seat or 2 seats?

D.

[sqcomp]

It's a two seat Ultimate class IIRC. Nice little xA from Vince.

[sqcomp]

Rebuild time!

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0728_zps63de529b.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0729_zps16373187.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0730_zps27c4cb73.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0731_zps1149fe06.jpg

The next pillar will be done tomorrow night. Then I take the night off on Saturday...Sunday is for sanding, and short hair. Monday is for finishing the pillars and readying for texture.

[derickveliz2]

Awesome,

but mine will stay down in the kick area, physics tell me they belong there, I'm sure you and SB know some thing I don't know, of course I'm just an enthusiast and you guys are the Pros! Very interested how works for you, and all we know, this is the never ending story.

D.

[sqcomp]

I lied...I just finished the longhair of the right side as well...

Lots of sanding to come.

Indeed! The never ending story!

[Alien Mantis]

Indeed! The never ending story!


Here is SQcomp.... riding his luck dragon!

:headbang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWnW-OuggoE
.
.
.

[sqcomp]

AM - is it bad when I know this movie? I haven't seen it in years. Until now I had forgotten the names of the characters...

GAWD I'm old.

Sanding tonight. Talking with one of the best repair shops in the country about the P-01. They're having trouble finding the service manual for the "P" series decks (P-01 & P-99). I may be forced to send this back to my source in Japan. Funny...I type this sitting at a sushi bar just having finished some good Tako, Ebi & tempura...maybe I'm channeling some mojo.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0321_zps8405674c.jpg

^short hair worked. These things are SEXY! They're nice and heavy too. No resonance messing with the pillars. Perhaps I'm excited because I could plug them in right now and make things right...I need to get a filler coat on these then more sanding. Tomorrow night...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0332_zpse0a6442b.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0333_zpsb4a03be4.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0336_zpsc5d0c58a.jpg

^First layer of primer. Here in a few, I'll go back into the garage and sand more. Oh yeah, there is two layers of filler that went under this that I didn't take pics of. I was to busy applying and sanding. You can see in that bottom picture that there's a high point in the filler just above the mid. I'll sand that down by hand and get any other pinhole blemishes. The I'll prime agian. After this priming, I'll get some texture and go from there.

Cleaning up around the garage...I finally found my backup battery keys to my alarm. This means I can disconnect the battery and take the airbag out so that I can replace the steering wheel with a leather wrapped Scion tC piece...In a week or two I'm thinking. I'll have the new processor in by then along with the backup source.

[derickveliz2]

New aiming looks like each mid is looking at each other, is that right?

D.

[sqcomp]

They're at the same height but no, they're aimed about 15 degrees up from horizontal. This aiming gives me rock solid imaging and height. The tweeters in the pillars are good for width, height and worrying less about crossover points. The "blend" will be easier than with the tweeters separated as they were this year. I could have it sounding off tonight if I pleased but...I want absolute control before info this again...and with the P-01 acting all bejiggity, I'd rather not risk it.

I also put a couple layers of high build primer on the pillars as well. Lots of work gets done when I don't have a wife hanging around. The "to do" list becomes very basic and simple.

Edit: I got my paws on the service manual for the P-99RS...anyone who started this post that needs one in the future knows now where to get it and give it to a repair center if needed. My P-01 is going out the Pyramid Audio tomorrow morning. Within the month, I'll be back up working again.

[derickveliz2]

They're at the same height but no, they're aimed about 15 degrees up from horizontal. This aiming gives me rock solid imaging and height. The tweeters in the pillars are good for width, height and worrying less about crossover points.

Do you mean Tweeters in Sail Panels?

D.

[derickveliz2]

I just order another port system for my experiment with 2 i6SW's! :thumbup:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PLvQ4QdbBYk/UGpdJAQ9ojI/AAAAAAAAquc/td2vRgLBXqA/s600/2flare-caption.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

Yes, I misspoke, the sail panels, not the pillars.

[derickveliz2]

Some Left and Right EQ...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dWaaoGL01gU/UGpmgcRhV5I/AAAAAAAAqu0/KUnSs6Vobog/s1024/2-100112185556.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PauFcppzYw8/UGpmgJm9ajI/AAAAAAAAqus/DRckh1J7pMk/s1024/1-100112185543.jpg


More tuning soon...

D.

[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0251_zps3b86595c.jpg

I know this exercise...We don't center match in the mid and sub bass regions simply because at 175 Hz and below, the bass isn't localizing for the most part. I'd imagine this is going to change drastically when the mids are back on top. I have to make a mic jig and find a 3055 I can play with locally...

The sub however is down 9 dB

You can also see I had to pump up the output. My gains are pretty much off...I suppose I could change that though.

[derickveliz2]

I enjoy doing several passes at different conditions for example....
parked with engine off, parked with engine in idle and then driving at about 70 mph.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/2-082712202407.jpg


T/A

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/1-082712202318.jpg


X-over Points

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/3-082712202430.jpg

[trdvvti07]

So heres the thing. 2 -400w amps pushing 2- 12" Terminator subs each independent of one another. My trunk rattles... my gas door rattles... looking through my rearview is like having michael j fox holding it. So what do I do to eliminate the vibration? without compromising sound quality? 2-subs-4-mids-4 voice....

[sqcomp]

D,

throw this T/A in and give it a try just for the hell of it (I think this is CM not IN IIRC)...and actually you can reduce the sub too I think. I was just playing with that part:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/IMG_0262_zps4e23b299.jpg

[derickveliz2]

So heres the thing. 2 -400w amps pushing 2- 12" Terminator subs each independent of one another. My trunk rattles... my gas door rattles... looking through my rearview is like having michael j fox holding it. So what do I do to eliminate the vibration? without compromising sound quality? 2-subs-4-mids-4 voice....

My guess is that you won't, but you could minimize it with Mat and more Mat and several layers of Mat...

Then last resource is... turn down the gains to mach your other speakers.

D.

[derickveliz2]

D,
throw this T/A in and give it a try just for the hell of it (I think this is CM not IN IIRC)...and actually you can reduce the sub too I think. I was just playing with that part:


I will, but looks odd...

Inside the Pioneer world 155.39" (max number in TA) means (0) zero delay, and what I do is to delay the closest speakers to my left ear to get the signal rich both ears at the same time. That is why you see my right Mid at 155.39" and every thing goes from there.

If I had the sub in the trunk that would be the furthest speaker and will get 0 (zero) delay AKA 155.39"

0" (zero) would be like to delay at maximum the left side Mid and Mid/Bass

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/1-082712202318.jpg


D.

[derickveliz2]

These may not mean a lot to YarisWorld, but to my ears it's like GOLD!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/3-EQOctober32012.jpg

Right side:
http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/2-EQRoctober32012.jpg

Left side:
http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/1-EQLoctober32012.jpg


D.

[sqcomp]

I'm more interested in the equalization more than the time alignment anyway. There was a huge difference between your system and mine, seeing as mine had that processor on it. The messed up thing is that every brand does their time alignment different it seems. You'll see where I go when I get the P01 repaired... And what ever processor I put in there.

I just had an offer from one of the Arc dealers and I'm still comparing with the Zapco dealer as well on the processors. We just have to see what happens after the P01 gets back from repair.

[derickveliz2]

I'm more interested in the equalization more than the time alignment anyway. There was a huge difference between your system and mine, seeing as mine had that processor on it. The messed up thing is that every brand does their time alignment different it seems. You'll see where I go when I get the P01 repaired... And what ever processor I put in there.

I just had an offer from one of the Arc dealers and I'm still comparing with the Zapco dealer as well on the processors. We just have to see what happens after the P01 gets back from repair.



Yes, equalization had a much bigger impact than Time alignment for the...

WOW Factor!

Yes every brand does it different, took me a while to understand each method and assuming milliseconds against inches, but at some point TA had to be the same function.

How come I never get offers? :iono: I should market more aggressive :evil: LOL

D.

[sqcomp]

Mmm...there are probably several reasons why no offers.

They aren't because you're not a nice guy. The biggest reason is that these manufacturers have seen my face at CES for several years now. I suppose you could say I'm known in the industry. All of this is based on my appearances at CES really. Networking man, networking! Heck, You know that Arc audio piece the PS8? I have that in my hands last year. I saw how it worked in the demo vehicle. I saw its physical size without it's "big shroud" and yeah... I mean I had the attention of one of the players at Arc audio even though I'm not running any Arc audio gear. All of this just by attending CES and spending a few minutes talking to people and the little fact that I can cook and I was able to give people food when they were really hungry. Time and place mang...time and place.

Not only the CES factor but those people know me and they see how I support the brick-and-mortar stores. I've also been responsible for making IASCA a factor here in the Northwest again.

It's terrible but it seems like I'm playing my own trumpet here but really I'm not. It's just several factors I mentioned plus there some other factors aside from what I mentioned before. The thing is Derick, you could do the same thing.

All it is is simply time invested into the industry & face time with networking. It all started 12 years ago when I decided to work for a few months at a high end stereo shop. That's where I met Jim before he owned his first shop. That snowballed into appearances at CES and INAC finals.

[derickveliz2]

Mmm...there are probably several reasons why no offers.


Yes I know what you mean, before rediscovering my passion for car audio, and been single I was in the R/C airplane world. And I got to know lots of people and companies giving me all kind of goodies for the hobby.

D.

[sqcomp]

Interesting development...

I'm working on a deal for a Whiteline adjustable rear sway bar. That should go nicely with the pro kit drop...

D, do you have sway bars on yours? If so, what is your impression?

[derickveliz2]

D, do you have sway bars on yours? If so, what is your impression?

Rear Sway Bar!

100% HAPPY!!!

No sway bar?... It's like a SQ system without Time/Alignment,

Improves:

-Cornering like crazy,
-Highway stability x 10
-Cross winds not an issue any more at highway speeds

D.

[sqcomp]

I'm glad to hear that. I'm looking at buying the lock clamps for the sway bar as well just for the heck of it.

I absolutely love cornering in any vehicle I'm in. If it can't handle, I don't want to drive it. The last couch I drove was a Dodge Challenger. BLECH! That thing was a brick.

[derickveliz2]

The last couch I drove was a Dodge Challenger. BLECH! That thing was a brick.

You would be surprised on what a Yaris can do with minor suspension upgrades!

D.

[derickveliz2]

We are about to hit 100K views.... Exciting!


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3GU8TsbtJ_0/UG-imwS67zI/AAAAAAAAqwc/1x7nh_LYOuw/s957/Fullscreen+capture+1052012+111616+PM.jpg



D.

[derickveliz2]

This morning... back to stock wheels and winter tires!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yo_ThkIKEck/UG-oBwcqrYI/AAAAAAAAqws/fTTFF4DvgW4/s1063/100512090053.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wl-jI4quB3s/UG-oFvSb8lI/AAAAAAAAqw0/GIyHw0m_hhE/s598/100512090743.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-naH0vV_vFmo/UG-oa3M9rsI/AAAAAAAAqxE/jzrg7-jNz4Y/s1062/100512113659-1.jpg


D.

[derickveliz2]

10.01 gal of regular fuel for 440.9 Miles AKA 44 MPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zFKSPPULi7A/UG-oHfDPftI/AAAAAAAAqw8/HdT3IuCEmLw/s886/100512203954.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

I missed the 100k turn on your thread...dang it!

...The stereo lands in Austin Texas for repair on Monday...

I'm like a nervous dad waiting for his first kid here.

[derickveliz2]

...

I gave a demo to a friend today, he used to play in a band...

He's comments:

1.- Great Bass! no rattles, no distortion, I like it.
2.- Sounds like "real"

It was dark, and I turned the dome light switch off so he couldn't see the speakers, he though I had speakers all over the dashboard!

D.

[derickveliz2]

Today's commute with some Fall colors: (click on the picture to play video)

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/th_100912091740.jpg (http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yarisito/100912091740.mp4)

D.

[sqcomp]

Hey D,

You want me to throw some pics of some of the SQ vehicles from INAC up here?

It turns out after this weekend, HAT has accumulated 140 championships in 6 years over the three major organizations. Seems like you're in good company, eh? :)

[derickveliz2]

Hey D,

You want me to throw some pics of some of the SQ vehicles from INAC up here?

It turns out after this weekend, HAT has accumulated 140 championships in 6 years over the three major organizations. Seems like you're in good company, eh? :)

Yes, please do so!

D.

[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0457_zps60338c34.jpg
^John Sketoe's Buick I believe...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0456_zpsf0701e97.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0455_zps71f7d04e.jpg

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[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0450_zpsf31f2338.jpg

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http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0445_zps53ea9320.jpg

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[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0441_zpsd62ce7ff.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0440_zps6f24f4f0.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0439_zps25bdad0a.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0438_zpsaa9991db.jpg

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http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0434_zpsf4e60305.jpg

[sqcomp]

There's more...I have to go to work. I'll update later.

[david_827]

:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:

[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0433_zps6657e267.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0432_zpsc75b261b.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0431_zpsb0d50945.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0430_zpsb2f0d71e.jpg
^ I've met this gentleman. This effect is SO easy to do...I jsut didn't realize it until he and I talked...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0429_zpsaeb5b4d0.jpg
^Major speaker change from last year. Unfortunately Blair didn't do as well this year at finals. His car was a killer in March.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0428_zps39b7e974.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0427_zps6e8b2dc9.jpg

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[sqcomp]

Well...interesting results from world finals!

I'm showing you guys my class. I'm going to preempt this with the fact that the night before my processor blew up and it made my p-01 sound terrible. With all that noise the Maximum deductions are five points. That plus my tuning on the car wasn't complete, so in all honestly (and I'm not trying to be conceited or have a big ego) I think this little Yaris could have won world championships in the class.

John Fisher (USA) 227
Klifton Keplinger (USA) 225
Jason Glass (USA) 221 Tiebreaker (Tonality score)
Jim Bishop (USA) 221 Tiebreaker (Tonality score)
John Davis (USA) 220
Louis Chouinard (Canada) 217
Blair Williams (Canada) 214
Robert McIntosh (USA) 188
Shawn Beaman (USA) 187

[derickveliz2]

This one is the one that really calls my attention since it's different from the others,

I know this guy it's been out there for a while, do you have more info about his install?

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0439_zps25bdad0a.jpg




How many of those cars have rails on the seat? I know the HAT G has.

What I like about the G is how clever Scott B. was to set up one amp for each speaker!

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0445_zps53ea9320.jpg


I love those woofers! 4 i6SWs AWESOME!

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/IMG_0447_zps758ecc11.jpg





D.

[sqcomp]

That top car is Mark Eldridge's NASCAR vehicle. He is always a top contender... And has been for years.

What exactly are you asking about the seat rails?

[derickveliz2]

What exactly are you asking about the seat rails?

How many of those cars actually have rails to move the sweet spot even further back?

D.

[sqcomp]

Got it... Quite a few actually. I believe you can start doing that in pro-am up to up higher classes.

For the record I do not and will not do that. If I cannot make it sound perfect in the stock position all the way back or in my drivers position it's just not right to me.

Just a side note, I've been talking with Garm about some modifications to the Yaris during my deployment to Afghanistan here in early 2014. I'll be picking up the Legatia SE LE series speakers, Upgrading the train horn to a Nathan K-3LA a low profile manifold, and installing an air runner suspension on this little car.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/reebok182/DSC_0017.jpg

For me the Yaris will never be a fast car or one I would want to make fast. Going the other way, being able to slam this little car to the ground appeals to me highly.

I've got to keep up with you D...somehow! :)

[derickveliz2]

Got it... Quite a few actually. I believe you can start doing that in pro-am up to up higher classes.

For the record I do not and will not do that. If I cannot make it sound perfect in the stock position all the way back or in my drivers position it's just not right to me.


I agree 100%

D.

[derickveliz2]

SQcomp, I hope you feel better!

D.

[derickveliz2]

This video is to show you how fast is my Yaris... LOL

NO, the idea is to show how much engine noise gets into the cabin (or how much engine noise is blocked into the cabin) in hard acceleration:

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/th_101212085607.jpg (http://s634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/?action=view&current=101212085607.mp4)


D.

[dragoonmc]

that good sir is impressive

[derickveliz2]

that good sir is impressive

Thanks, I set up the music low enough to hear it as a reference against engine noise.


D.

[derickveliz2]

More to think about... "Center Image"

Feel the music!

Left & Right EQ

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qBgig7vfDG8/UIcPqOYJhiI/AAAAAAAAq8M/O8kmpSgWg4E/s1024/102312115428.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

Waiting for the storm (Sandy) to hit in a few hours....

D.

[sqcomp]

Get prepared and stay safe brother.

Oh...I'm probably going to step off of Team Hybrids. I've got SO many other things to concentrate on aside from towing the team line. Besides, if I can be the fourth best sounding car in the world WITH a blown processor and a nearly dead head unit and a tune that wasn't correct...I've got my stuff right. I'm still trying to decide if I want to sell off my heavy sound equipment...

The things I need to concentrate on are partly this:

One of those things is to get my wife finished with her nursing degree program just south of you.

Another thing for me to work on is my probable deployment to Afghanistan at the end of next year.

...the last one is prepping for this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/Stalker013.jpg