Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

Working on some new rings for my Mids, and trying to fit the grill that comes with the HL-70 for a different look... I just want to use the middle part witch is Silver, I'll take my own pictures tomorrow...
D.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/35291147.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/7b93decc.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/b6bbd7c2.jpg

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http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/6c2111c9.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/6c2111c9.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/81a39fe0.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/dcf3080a.jpg


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[sqcomp]

Is that balsa wood you're using for the surround on the ring?

[derickveliz2]

It's 1/32 Plywood, and I made a sandwich of 3 layers, very strong, very light and small. My idea is to make it as small as possible to sink the baffle in the A-pillar.

D.

[derickveliz2]

A little bit of progress... It's ready to cover, also I did aim the tweeter in the same angle as the Mids... so far sounds pretty good.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/a5d2514c.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/85a35527.jpg

D.

[TOLMACH]

It's 1/32 Plywood, and I made a sandwich of 3 layers, very strong, very light and small. My idea is to make it as small as possible to sink the baffle in the A-pillar.

D.

Thanks

Is is easy to buy such 1/32 Plywood ?

[sickpuppy1]

And Derick, please tell me you going to remove that speaker from the ring before you start schlepping fiberglass or whatever around that thing, right??!! LOL

[derickveliz2]

I get mine at a local hobby store, but I've seen it online HERE (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/1_32x6x12_birch_plywood_2722_prd1.htm)and it may be in many other places, its a very common material to build R/C airplanes.

http://cdn3.hobby-lobby.com/images_products/2722_large.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

And Derick, please tell me you going to remove that speaker from the ring before you start schlepping fiberglass or whatever around that thing, right??!! LOL

Sounds like a good idea!, :thumbsup:

I still have to get the other side at this level, then I'll drive around a few days to make sure the aiming is "ok" for me.

Actually I'm going to use CA+Kicker over speaker grill to create the shape, again, keep it light but strong. (that's from r/c airplanes, every thing has to be strong but keep it light so still flies) :thumbup:

D.

[TOLMACH]

I get mine at a local hobby store, but I've seen it online HERE (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/1_32x6x12_birch_plywood_2722_prd1.htm)and it may be in many other places, its a very common material to build R/C airplanes.

http://cdn3.hobby-lobby.com/images_products/2722_large.jpg

D.

thanks!

[derickveliz2]

OK, I just got a RTA...!

How do I use it? any body knows a link with a "How to use RTA in a Yaris"? LOL

D.

[derickveliz2]

Is this a good approach for RTA?

LINK (http://www.ehow.com/how_8447_real-time-analyzer.html)

D.

[sqcomp]

Funny you should ask this. As of Saturday, I'm a certified IASCA judge! The link is a general way to do RTA measurements.

The one program that is REALLY nice to use is TermLab.

http://www.termpro.com/storefront/page605.html

Neat thing is, that since I did so well on the certification test, IASCA invited me to judge 2012 SBN/INAC in Daytona Florida! Sweeeeeet!

[derickveliz2]

Congratulations!

Now give me the RAT for Dummies! at Yaris oriented. LOL

D.

[sickpuppy1]

Does that affect your abilities to compete?

[sqcomp]

Not at all actually. Some of our judges at the show were competing. They obviously didn't judge their own class.

I had two teammates at the show...I didn't judge the classes they were in. I did the Rookie class. That was truly a revealing and challenging class. Oh, Derick, you'd be in the Amateur class in IASCA because of the build out of the front stage. Not rookie.

For some reason I can't get a Youtube video to post as a window. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O96MFyWh5PE

^something fun from the show. No, he's not holding onto the shirt...

[derickveliz2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O96MFyWh5PE

^something fun from the show. No, he's not holding onto the shirt...

Is that Healthy? I bet it's not covered by health insurance! for how long can you listen to such a thing?

D.

[sqcomp]

I'm saying! No, it's not healthy. I cannot, however, tell you how to play your system. If he wants to lose his hearing (more), by all means, it's his hearing.

He was burping the vehicle in the low 30 Hz frequency range. It'll get close to 160 dB.

[derickveliz2]

I'm saying! No, it's not healthy. I cannot, however, tell you how to play your system. If he wants to lose his hearing (more), by all means, it's his hearing.

He was burping the vehicle in the low 30 Hz frequency range. It'll get close to 160 dB.

What? I didn't hear you!



It may be good for the sinus :iono:


I agree on the sentence... "I cannot, however, tell you how to play your system"

I found out that it gets very personal in terms on car-audio...
I shared my Sound Quality system with other guys around here and...
they give a Sh...(3.1416)..t about it, if they can't hear you blocks away or if you don't have two 15's... is meaning less!

Unless they get to sit down at the steering wheel of a Red Yaris!




So "Amateur class in IASCA" haaa NICE! I like it!!! :thumbsup:



D.

[sqcomp]

Whelp...

Here were the two IASCA amateurs that were showing at the sound off:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/C230IASCAAmateur.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/C230IASCAAmateur1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/DrewSnappIASCAAmateur.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/DrewSnappIASCAAmateur2.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/DewSnappIASCAAmateur2.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/DrewSnappIASCAAmateur1.jpg

These were the IASCA Pros that were showing at the sound off:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/RandyStCyrsCivic.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/RandyStCyrsCivic1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/RandyStCyrsCivic2.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/MikeMaltaiss350.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/MikeMaltaiss3501.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/BillPleasantsAltima.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/BillPleasantsAltima1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/BillPleasantsAltima2.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/BillPleasantsAltima3.jpg

And this was the only Expert car:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/MikePetersonsT-Bird.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/MikePetersonsT-Bird1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/MikePetersonsT-Bird2.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/MikePetersonsT-Bird3.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/MikePetersonsT-Bird4.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/CIMG2708.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/CIMG2713.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/CIMG2714.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/CIMG2712.jpg

Thoughts?

[derickveliz2]

Mmmm my yaris looks faster! LOL

Nice set ups, I wish I had the time to finish mine and get it to that point!

Sqcomp... the RCA cables from behind the HU, (Sub,Low,Mid,High) I'm running them on the drivers side! once in a while, when I stick my hands in there I get an electrical interference, did you run your wires over the passenger's side?

D.

PS... I saw another P99 there, some ID woofers and horns, an another with a sub up front! but no one with Mids+Tweeters up in the A-pillars!

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[sqcomp]

I did run mine on the passenger's side, yes.

Mids and tweets in the a-pillar is sort of a "bad boy" thing in the car audio realm.

[derickveliz2]

I did run mine on the passenger's side, yes.

Mids and tweets in the a-pillar is sort of a "bad boy" thing in the car audio realm.

I think I'll try to move the RCAs to the passenger's side :rolleyes:



So tell me more about "bad boy"! :headbang:

I got the feeling that is the most clever location (if possible) also depends on the vehicle. But what is the most common set up in the car audio realm?

D.

[sickpuppy1]

I ran all mine down the passenger side too. No interference at all for me.

[sqcomp]

That'd be a toss up between kick pod mounting and door mounting with a high tweeter mount...

Oooh! Just ordered the new amps today. I'm not going the Voce route. I'm doing a couple surfboards @ 25" long and 10" wide (450x2 and perhaps around 1300x1) plus a smaller one that's only 17" long and 10" wide (120x2+240x2)...

BIG power, means big head room.

[derickveliz2]

That'd be a toss up between kick pod mounting and door mounting with a high tweeter mount...

Oooh! Just ordered the new amps today. I'm not going the Voce route. I'm doing a couple surfboards @ 25" long and 10" wide (450x2 and perhaps around 1300x1) plus a smaller one that's only 17" long and 10" wide (120x2+240x2)...

BIG power, means big head room.

What are the cons and pros from a kick pod/door mounting with a tweeter high mounted? versus Mid+Tweeter on A-Pillars?

BTW as of today, did you notice that we almost have the same post count? Sqcomp...1,565 Me...1,569

AND... Yes I know what you mean with "Big Head Room"... testing my PB amp per your suggestions... plugging another amp (my old ones, included the Premier 4 channel Class A amp 4x65w.) and the difference is there, so I know what you mean.
CONGRATULATIONS with your new amps! I'm jealous! but... what did you ordered?

Today was so HOT, that the glue holding the rings in place for the MIDs melted down! I need to finish them up and glass them, shame on me. Too much stuff going on right now, some thing big is cooking! (o:

D.

[sqcomp]

Digital Designs (2) S2b...2 x 450 @ 4 Ohms, quad power transformers, and Burr Brown op-amps. 25" long and almost 10" wide...the MAP on those are $1100 a piece.

http://www.ddaudio.com/media/2880/S2a_side.png

And then (1) S4b...120x2+240x2 @ 4 Ohms...the MAP on this one is $900.

http://www.ddaudio.com/media/2895/S4b_side.png


I'm talking BIIIIGGGG headroom. The power output is true, it's not one of those fake output amplifiers. 450 x 2 without even cracking a sweat. Can you imagine 450 x 2 on your L6's? :eyebulge: Yeah baby!

[derickveliz2]

Where and how much are you spending on these Beauties!/Beasts/Audio Climax gems?

D.

[sqcomp]

Before you get too excited, let me get mine in...I'll crack the cases and I'll take pics and we'll take a closer look these.

Jim sells the line. Before you jump on board, let me give them a try. The MAP on the S2b is $1100 and the MAP on the S4b is $900. Am I paying that much...no.

These seem to me to be a modern version of old school engineering. We'll see. I'll let you know what it all looks like.

[derickveliz2]

Don't worry, I'm still working on my Mids install!

I can wait, I know I can!

D.

[sqcomp]

You think YOU'VE got it tough? I'm ramping up for my first show in August...every minute I waste waiting...it's killing me that these aren't here.

[sqcomp]

Hey Derick! Happy Birthday! Hope getting old like me isn't slowing you down. :P

[derickveliz2]

Hey Derick! Happy Birthday! Hope getting old like me isn't slowing you down. :P

Thank you so much!, I had great time with family for sure. But I bet I'm older than you LoL





On the other hand, I almost got on tears this morning... (good news) I did all the wiring again! in my car and when I turned on this morning the noise wasn't there! so Sqcomp.. I don't need to send the amp back, it's working fine! Now I'm only going to return the amp to it's original position and test it for a couple of days.

The only change was the RCAs from the HU on the passenger's side. So far so good.

What I need now is the information about that relay for the amp to delay when the amp turns on and get rid of the little Pop when I turn the amp on.


So let's get back to the Mids in the a-pillars.

D.

[sqcomp]

So it was introduced noise from the RCAs. Jim was talking to me about the costs of IF the amp was found to have no issues...

Now on to the soft relays...

[derickveliz2]

So it was introduced noise from the RCAs. Jim was talking to me about the costs of IF the amp was found to have no issues...

Now on to the soft relays...

That is why I worked so hard trying to find out why? I believe in the P-99, and the PB amps too. I knew it got to be some thing else it was worth the effort and wait.

Yes tell me what to get for the PB amp. please


D.

[derickveliz2]

There is going to be a meeting in Massachusetts this Sunday at 1 o'clock from DYIMA about car audio stuff, every body is welcome!





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BTY here are some pictures I took from the Tornado that went by our town last week.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ua86zpPQsTg/Te8G5PijGgI/AAAAAAAAhNA/It3A7wXmPkw/s720/DSC09613.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wpojCY5hKqo/Te8GQl0vAcI/AAAAAAAAhLg/nKnT48cRFhw/s720/DSC09579.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-FSPAZ_DQoA4/Te8GMnIP3nI/AAAAAAAAhLU/UHHKKo2Z2lo/s720/DSC09566.JPG


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9rG8PmuKXw0/Te8HTrSrhdI/AAAAAAAAhOA/Vb5omyZoAi8/s720/DSC09634.JPG

[derickveliz2]

[QUOTE=derickveliz2;585562]There is going to be a meeting in Massachusetts this Sunday at 1 o'clock from DYIMA about car audio stuff, every body is welcome!

Turn out to be a great audio meeting

3 SQ cars
3 SPL

I think others came after I left... I listen to my SQ-CD in most of them, I lost my hearing in a couple of them!


http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/DIYMA/51fa545e.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/DIYMA/6be98d8e.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/DIYMA/61931189.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/DIYMA/b85cc0f1.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/DIYMA/dde58b77.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/DIYMA/e8afec0a.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/DIYMA/cc41d258.jpg



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[derickveliz2]

Small update!

Mid-Bass are punching 150 watts (100 watts before)

I really need 36 hours/day

D.

[sqcomp]

Same amplifier on the mids?

[derickveliz2]

Same amplifier on the mids?

The Mids & Tweets get 75 watts from the PB Asa1100.5x

http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/public/RogKAJAOEJFDNaXfXqPO0qQ13Oi4jcFgEOB74eLEr4iWLPM2Eb HsKqDesKmnZSYiUbza65cTt4D4Dz1UUIkcdZGz0VxohkKAeJa0 9DenqfDgcbtBGez4cBESmXOcAb2FyBpjJS-HP1JciYPmqiXpUu_UOTP-X6DsctEDUOlCcibqfkhhpPX8uWr7-zAwdHQ2Zbhhi5v6EPIX-v3gF0MT0UjQpQTF4e9uzjQfYB-0OQ=s90-c



The midbass gets 150 watts from my old GM-x1024

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/vgn/images/portal/cit_3442/33371gm-x1024.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

Sqcomp, you are right when you talk about headroom and I can't imagine how good 300 watts for mid-bass would be!

When cranking up the volume and my mid-bass started to fail I used to say: "My speakers can't handle any more" I sort of blame on the speaker it self, but now I'm understanding it's the Amp that starts sending noise into the speaker and less music. I know the speakers make a difference too, so it's relative with my thoughts.

I'm amazed on what 50 extra Watts did to my system.

D.

[sqcomp]

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

How about 450 Watts at 4 Ohms on the L6SE's? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil09.gif

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo-4.jpg

450 x 2 for the mid bass speakers

another one of these for the sub. I'm estimating around 1300 Watts @ 4 Ohms for the 15" (one of these surfboards puts out 2700 x 1 at 2 Ohms). The mids and tweets have a slightly smaller four channel for them @ 120 x 2 and 240 x 2.

If I start seeing dimming form the load on the electrical system, I'll get a drop in alty.

[derickveliz2]

Wow!

Sqcomp... are you going surfing or snow-boarding!

Sweet.

I need Jim to get my I6SW ready for next week, please let him know I'm calling him and if you mind making a copy of the CD we talked about, I'll appreciate it.

D.

[sqcomp]

Drop me an e-mail about the CD. Remind me what I'm doing for you...it's been a while.

..and yes, I'll be doing both surfing and snowboarding! :) I'll report to you how the system works with this much headroom and control. Something tells me it'll be juuuust fine.

[derickveliz2]

Drop me an e-mail about the CD. Remind me what I'm doing for you...it's been a while.

..and yes, I'll be doing both surfing and snowboarding! :) I'll report to you how the system works with this much headroom and control. Something tells me it'll be juuuust fine.

D,

You could also look at thread-serts. They're like the ones I used in my A-pillars for the L4 baffle.

Also, take a look at what I have access to:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/Pioneer1.jpg

Something tells me you may want this reference disc? I can burn you a copy...


Yes please!


D. :biggrin:

[sqcomp]

Got it...

I'll trade you a picture for a picture:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo38.jpg

That's Aaron, one of the guys at the shop. He's right at 6'2". That gives another idea of how big the amplifiers is.

[derickveliz2]

I think you need a roof rack! I'm jealous! :cry:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x274/02isjw/DSC01991.jpg

[derickveliz2]

Got it...

I'll trade you a picture for a picture:

That's Aaron, one of the guys at the shop. He's right at 6'2". That gives another idea of how big the amplifiers is.


If we count the tiles it's a little over 3.5 feet or 42 inches.


D.

[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo39.jpg

I dunno if the two channel is big enough...

[derickveliz2]

I dunno if the two channel is big enough...


I dunno if the Yaris is big enough for all this... LOL


Man matching the angles of the Mids on the A-pillars it's not easy.

D.

[sqcomp]

I haven't actually had my hands on the amps yet. On Monday, I'll be up at the shop to continue work on the L6SE kicks...placing/aiming and glassing the baffles. Hopefully I can get them essentially finished. I have to lay down some more glass today and use some short strand on the inside just to build up the inside and even the surfaces out.

I've taken out the amp board that held the LRx's. I'm conceiving of several ways of placing the amplifiers. I REALLY want to keep the woofer inverted to show off the magnet. I'm considering running the amps in a north/south configuration...parallel with the front of the car...sort of angled as well as to be placed around the woofer, one on each side of it (the two big ones) and one in back of it closer to the seats by the Bit One.

Thinking, planning...

enough about me, what is going on with your mids? I noticed the picture on the last page with the wood baffle...what was that about?

[derickveliz2]

Thinking, planning...

enough about me, what is going on with your mids? I noticed the picture on the last page with the wood baffle...what was that about?

If you are talking about this picture is from another DIYMA member at the Massachusetts meet.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/DIYMA/51fa545e.jpg



If you are talking about this picture, yes they are out of the spheres going off axis on the a-pillars

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/a5d2514c.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

I was just playing with glass on the Pilots a-pillar and new Mids baffle, this is my first a-pillar build so lets see how it goes! Oops no pictures I don't have my camera with me... I'll take some tomorrow.



D.

[sqcomp]

If we count the tiles it's a little over 3.5 feet or 42 inches.


D.

It's exactly 36"...I have 40 inches between the pass through. It's a little tight...and WTH?!? The web site says 24.5" for the S2b. Ooops! :headbang:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2825.jpg

^That board you see the amps on is the same one I had the LRx's on. Something to think about there!

RAWR!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

The 320 Ampere DC Power alternator will be hand made and in my paws in 5 weeks.

[derickveliz2]

It's exactly 36"...I have 40 inches between the pass through. It's a little tight...and WTH?!? The web site says 24.5" for the S2b. Ooops! :headbang:


^That board you see the amps on is the same one I had the LRx's on. Something to think about there!

RAWR!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

The 320 Ampere DC Power alternator will be hand made and in my paws in 5 weeks.

Not fair, I'm going to start signing my post as a Double "D" now...


DD

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[derickveliz2]

I'll take some tomorrow.
D.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/b9fd291e.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/1d7b6628.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/b40f5c27.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/27217148.jpg


DD.

[TOLMACH]

Hi Derick

I am impressed with your committment to get the proper instal in your car.. Couple comments on your last pics with A-pillars podiums:

1. I normally do lots of sanding before applying epoxy or fiberglass resin (sorry, do not know how to call properly the compound you use). Sanding DOES improve adhesion. Sometimes drill lots of tiny holes if in doubts whether the whole shit will hold strongly. Totyota uses sometime crazy plastics for its a-pillars - nothing sticks perfectly.

2. I also prefer to cover the entire a-pillar with fabric I use - one or two layers is normally enough for tweeters based on the material density (thickness).. more layers may be necesary for a midrange pod. Covering the entire pillar helps make the surface smoother, requres less sending, less layers of putty and seems better in a sense that the pods won't separate from the pillar body. See link to pic below: pink stuff is the fabric. This picture under the link is not mine but it helped me do couple pods myself.

http://www.drivesound.ru/installations/Toyota_Caldina_01/Toyota_Caldina_01_31_800.jpg

[derickveliz2]

Thanks T.

1. I should have done some sanding you are 100% right on the dime, me bad been lazy or tired I forgot )o:
So far the a-pillars material is pure plastic, nothing like my corolla's a-pillar material, looks like nothing would stick to it, I agree with you.
We'll see how it goes.

2. I also agree with you to cover the entire a-pillar with fabric, now that I think about it, I can think of 2 things... One is I wanted it to keep it light,
the second one, my working table is way too small that I was afraid of doing the entire pillar, I may get screw up finishing but that's the process of learning right?

Wish me luck, and thanks keep them coming.

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Okay imma be very blunt....WTF !!! @ SQ with the power plants....Dammit bro you could power your house from them things if the lights ever went out :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[sqcomp]

There's a singular mode and direction of thought to my madness. My mode of thought is that I want the best sounding system in a yaris...period. Take a look at mark Eldridge and Scott buwalda's SQ rigs. None were starved for power and none used little amplifiers. With these amps and the power to back them up, there is no excuses on my part.

If I ever become non linear in my output, it won't be for lack of juice or ampilfer output, you can be guaranteed! I'll also be able to hit a 135 dB with NO issues. I might look at 140 with the setup actually.

[derickveliz2]

Hi Derick

1. I normally do lots of sanding before applying epoxy or fiberglass resin (sorry, do not know how to call properly the compound you use). Sanding DOES improve adhesion. Sometimes drill lots of tiny holes if in doubts whether the whole shit will hold strongly. Totyota uses sometime crazy plastics for its a-pillars - nothing sticks perfectly.

T. you are absolutely right!

After applying good amounts of torque to the pillars some areas give up! what I mean is that I could tell is not a 100% bond.
So I'll drill some holes on top and beyond the fleece, and apply another layer of glass. Then fill in the inside with clay and silicone.
Besides that feels strong and the baffle is rigid and solid.

D.

[TOLMACH]

T. you are absolutely right!

After applying good amounts of torque to the pillars some areas give up! what I mean is that I could tell is not a 100% bond.
So I'll drill some holes on top and beyond the fleece, and apply another layer of glass. Then fill in the inside with clay and silicone.
Besides that feels strong and the baffle is rigid and solid.

D.

tiny holes spaced 5 milimiteters apart around the whole perimeter will save you ))

I am in russia at the moment - I can easily buy here the regular epoxy rather than fast drying fiberglass resin becasue it is way stronger in term of adhesion (though dries very slowly - around 24 hours per layer) - I normally try to use epoxy for such strange plastic parts (sometimes i start thinking it is not pure plastic but some mixture of plastic and rubber)

I do not think silicone will help you in any eay- concentrate on building the proper outer shell of the pod

Again, sorry for being stubborn - think about covering the whole piece (with lots of prior sanding with harsh sandpaper) can be a solution to your "applied torque and crashed" problem

As requested, I wish you best of luck!! ))

[derickveliz2]

tiny holes spaced 5 milimiteters apart around the whole perimeter will save you ))

I am in russia at the moment - I can easily buy here the regular epoxy rather than fast drying fiberglass resin becasue it is way stronger in term of adhesion (though dries very slowly - around 24 hours per layer) - I normally try to use epoxy for such strange plastic parts (sometimes i start thinking it is not pure plastic but some mixture of plastic and rubber)

I do not think silicone will help you in any eay- concentrate on building the proper outer shell of the pod

Again, sorry for being stubborn - think about covering the whole piece (with lots of prior sanding with harsh sandpaper) can be a solution to your "applied torque and crashed" problem

As requested, I wish you best of luck!! ))


Yes, I did punch a bunch of holes and it's drying right now, we'll see tomorrow. Thank you.

I'm using Silicone inside! not outside, I know Glass can get very strong but also too hard it would crack at some point, so the silicone inside around the baffle. (this is just me, who knows if it helps or not)

I'm really thinking about covering everything, but we'll see (I feel lazy now too much work jeje)

So you are in Russia? do you have a picture of your Yaris over there?

Thanks

D.

[TOLMACH]

Yes, I did punch a bunch of holes and it's drying right now, we'll see tomorrow. Thank you.

I'm using Silicone inside! not outside, I know Glass can get very strong but also too hard it would crack at some point, so the silicone inside around the baffle. (this is just me, who knows if it helps or not)

I'm really thinking about covering everything, but we'll see (I feel lazy now too much work jeje)

So you are in Russia? do you have a picture of your Yaris over there?

Thanks

D.

Sorry, no picture of my yaris because... I have no yaris yet ((

I am moving (relocating) to Vancouver BC next month, hence, being a newcomer, thinking of buying something good on gas. I am not big fan of small cars but somehow I find yaris HB cute. I also think it is a great car for car-audio purposes (nice a-pillars and doors, etc.). I do not yet have any job in Canada hence my yaris project should be progressing pretty fast )) .. I started collecting stuff for this new project already )) Will keep you posted

[fnkngrv]

I find yaris HB cute.

BLASPHEMY!!!

The Yaris is not CUTE...


on another note...all of this custom work reminds me all of the time about those people that ask me, "but what if you want to sell the car?"

As far as I am concerned if you are going to put thousands or even tens of thousands into a vehicle and then not realize that you have gotten out of it the value then you invested in the wrong thing in the first place. I get a kick out of those people that part their rides out to try and squeeze the most money out of a sale that they can. In this case let's be honest...you didn't have the money in the first place to do the work and need to reassess their financial capabilities. Just look at my sig line for the truth of it.


I have had this thread subscribed from jump. It is a great project and cataloging of the information involved.

[sqcomp]

The easy thing about it is, anything that is done can be put back to stock.

I've got spare panels and carpeting if I want to put it back to stock. Anything I've done can be brought back to stock within 24 hours.

It's that easy.

I will agree with you though. A lot of people expect more than realistically will happen from the car. I don't want to sell the car anyway. I love having the OMGawd reaction when people see what I'm doing with the system.

D - I just ordered a 320 Amp DC Power Alternator for the little Yaris. Each of the S2b's ask for a 200 Amp fuse. I won't be pulling that much however, playing everything at 4 Ohms. RAAWWRR!

https://www.dcpowerinc.com/fit/2007~Toyota~Yaris~1.5L-I4-1NZ-FE/11203-320-hp.html

[derickveliz2]

Most of the time girls think a Yaris is "Cute" I think it's a great car to play with... I'm not referring on T's comment by the way.

Good fuel economy
Not very expensive
Ok, looks "cute" but I took care of that with accessories.
Easy to DIY everything from oil change to removing panels and seats. I do everything on my cars, no body touches them, from dealers, car audio shop, car wash, etc.
Really good platform for SQ (Sound Quality) system, center instrument cluster and geometry of dashboard ideal for "Front Stage" set up.

"but what if you want to sell the car?" Will I sell it? I don't think so. Maybe in 10 years from now LoL

SQ... that's an awesome 320 amp. AND yes I think in 24 hours and a couple of panels brings the inside to stock, now springs will need another day, jeje

FN... what does HISUI RYU means? is it some kind of Art? Do you have Turbo?

CUTE?............................................. .................................................. .........................NICE!!!
http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yaris%20Deadening/BeforeAfter2008-2010DerickVeliz.jpg


D.

[derickveliz2]

For our journal...I've been driving without a-pillars (MIDS & Tweets), so I plugged the tweeters and put them in the cup holders in an "off axis position"... so in a 2 way front stage:

Tweeters:
HP 4 kHz with 24 db slope. LP 20 kHz

Mid bass:
HP 63 Hz with 24 db slope. LP 4 kHz with 24 db slope

Subwoofer:
HP 20 Hz - LP 40 Hz (can't remember the slope).

Even like that sounds pretty dam good! the stage is right on the HU's screen not as high/forward compare to a 3 way front stage, but still pretty good. I do miss the MIDS and see the need. The width it's a little narrower, not as wide but I could live with it. (o:


D.

[sqcomp]

Yeah...that midrange seems to be anemic in a lot of the two way setups I've heard.

I have never been happy with the sound of the two way setups I've tried. I've always leaned towards three way setups simply for the control.

[derickveliz2]

The way I see it is that the Tweeters take half of the vocals, and 6.5" speakers take the other half leaving a big gap in between, well sort of!

D.

[sqcomp]

Yes...exactly...there's a response gap. You can hear that when listening to a sound board in a shop running two way setups.

There's sacrifice when we split the vocal range at 2500 Hz (for example) between a mid woofer and a tweeter that doesn't do the entire mid range effectively.

For example, when you have a mid woofer that is reproducing a handful of sounds at different points of the frequency range...when you're at the top end trying to reproduce the vocals with a heavier mid bass beat? The mid range can become muddled and less accurate especially at higher linearity levels.

VERSUS

Using a dedicated mid range speaker, in the mid range frequency the we hear most accurately, is more desirable from the standpoint of sound reproduction accuracy. Work smarter, not harder.

[_S7V7N_]

I'm running around with no Driver door panel till i get in my replacement 6.5's, (Hopefully they're the late Father's Day gift that the g/f says is in the mail )...My g/f keeps lookin at my door panel sitting by the front door wondering when i'm gonna put it back in ..Loll

[fnkngrv]

FN... what does HISUI RYU means? is it some kind of Art? Do you have Turbo?

It means Jade Dragon in Kanji.

Yes I am boosted.

[derickveliz2]

.My g/f keeps lookin at my door panel sitting by the front door wondering when i'm gonna put it back in ..Loll

I've been there before! LoL

D.

[derickveliz2]

It means Jade Dragon in Kanji.

Yes I am boosted.

Cool, this is one of my favorite airplanes, not a glider any how, it's like the best of the best a few years ago (Caleb F5B Multitask), reaching speeds of 150+ MPH and climb straight up at 90 degrees at 75 MPH...

on it' swing I was told had 3 symbols that sounded like my name in Chinese, the last one phonetically was RYU and I think it was "elegant" or some thing like that, just called my attention... and remind me my other hobby! LOL

Boosted... DOUBLE COOL!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Fotos%20Aereas/0215d4cd.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

Sanding and more sanding!

what a life!
but happy!
BTW I think I'm going to need a new amp (2 channel) 150-300 watts, any suggestions?

D.

[sqcomp]

What speakers are you using the amp for?

[derickveliz2]

What speakers are you using the amp for?



L6


D.

[_S7V7N_]

I just got some Autotek's 6.5CX's to replace the Hifonics 6.5's..See what they sound like..Same company, so we'll see.

[sqcomp]

Derick! Where were you when I was selling my LRx 2.9's?!? One of those would be great for the L6's.

I'd try to find one of those used, an Arc KS or SE amp, maybe an ID Q amplifier...

You want mento talk to Jim? We may have a closeout deal for you on ID.

EDIT:

Just talked to Jim on the phone. He has a couple amps for you that I believe he's closing out that you might be able to use. Drop him an e-mail.

[derickveliz2]

I just got some Autotek's 6.5CX's to replace the Hifonics 6.5's..See what they sound like..Same company, so we'll see.

Cool! but why? what are you going to do with the passive X-over? isn't these new speakers a 2 way and not a component like the Hifonics?

I'm about to swap mine (Hifonics 6.5) for HAT L6s I'm not hoping for any big gain at the beginning, every thing shines after a break in period.

http://i.seimg.net/images/613789/main/atx65cx.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

Derick! Where were you when I was selling my LRx 2.9's?!? One of those would be great for the L6's.

I'd try to find one of those used, an Arc KS or SE amp, maybe an ID Q amplifier...

You want mento talk to Jim? We may have a closeout deal for you on ID.

EDIT:

Just talked to Jim on the phone. He has a couple amps for you that I believe he's closing out that you might be able to use. Drop him an e-mail.

I guess I was dealing with the electric noise and suspecting the PowerBass amp was going back to the factory for repairs (resolved problem by moving the RCA cables from the left side of the HU to the right).

Too bad I missed your LRx 2.9's now I know the need of Power on the lower end.

We'll find something. (o:

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Hmm i may need some help on if i can use the crossovers, i thought as long as these speakers are the same impedance (4ohms) and the frequencies are similar (off by 10 kHz) i could use them on the crossover ?

Hifonics 6.5 - 60 Hz - 30 kHz
Autotek's - 60 Hz - 20 kHz

Ohh and my Hifonics 6.5's started to act up, so i got these to try out.

[sqcomp]

What crossovers are you thinking of using? The thing is that you don't exactly know the values of the crossover components or how the different speakers will react...you CAN use the crossover, it just won't work as well as it could.

Don't take too much stock on the upper frequency range advertised by the manufacturer. We can't hear much past 18kHz.

[_S7V7N_]

It's the Hifonics crossover that came with the component set..Same one Derick has/had .

http://hifonics.com/images/zeusheader.jpg

http://i.seimg.net/images/613789/main/atx65cx.jpg <--- using these now.

[derickveliz2]

I sold my passive x-overs to a fellow member here in Yaris world, even though he never paid me )o:

The problem is if you use the passive x-over, your new speakers have a tweeter integrated within, so you will cut all high frequencies and the new tweeter won't play at all. Your new speakers are Full range speakers does not require a x-over, it's less efficient than your old ones.

Why are you switching back to full range speakers instead your component speakers?

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Here's what i posted on Mike Stiers FB page : Hey Mike, I purchased the Hifonics 6.5 components March of last year, they're great, however one of them stopped working, when you push down on the front of the speaker right where the signal input goes into the cone it works great, sounds great no distortion what so ever. Could this be just a loose connection ?

His Reply : Mike Stiers Hi . Sounds like a short on the tinsel lead. Since you are out of your warranty period, I would suggest trying to repair the tinsel yourself.

Hmm then does anyone know the cutoff of the Crossover where the 6.5 connects too ? Cause i would want these speakers to play around 100 Hz - 3 kHz. I would think the tweeter would pick up some voice ? I'll test it later on and let you know if it works, Unless there's another way to tell where the cutoff is .

[derickveliz2]

Unless there's another way to tell where the cutoff is .

I have no idea, S7V7N... very soon I'm taking mine out, do you want them?

D.

.
:biggrin:

[_S7V7N_]

When you take yours out, holla at me bro. When i get back to Tx i'm gonna try to fix the tinsel leads on mine, but hell...I'd love another pair of them.

[derickveliz2]

When you take yours out, holla at me bro. When i get back to Tx i'm gonna try to fix the tinsel leads on mine, but hell...I'd love another pair of them.

Sure I'll let you know, but you pay for shipping!

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Hell as long as shipping isn't more than about 10 - 15 bucks..heck ya !

Matter of fact i'll paypal you 15 bucks when that time comes. I just checked on shippin it'll range anywhere from 5-10 bucks...so you can just pocket the rest ..

[sqcomp]

Hey D,

Spurring you on...I got the kicks mostly done today. I just need some sanding and a shorthair coat, then I'll carpet these bad boys.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo8-1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo11-1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo12-1.jpg

Also got the sub enclosure put into the car. I had to look at clearance and placement issues for the amps...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo7-2.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo10-1.jpg
^Yes, that is a mock S2b...I'd rather lug that around versus the real thing.

Speaking of the real thing, it looks like I received the #1 S2b from DD...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2816.jpg

[derickveliz2]

Hey D,

Spurring you on...I got the kicks mostly done today. I just need some sanding and a shorthair coat, then I'll carpet these bad boys.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo8-1.jpg





The kick panel looks GREAT, but... it's in the wrong Yaris... Jeje


You can keep the 100% mock-up of your DD amp, I'm going to keep the actual amp :thumbup:


D.

[sqcomp]

The thing is that you're set on the front sub. I can help to make it seemless from another location.

That being said, these kicks should fit your L6's...You can make these! If you want, I can do the flush baffles.

[derickveliz2]

I still have the idea of the sub in the front, My L6s will go in the OEM door locations. But thanks any way! your kicks look awesome!

D.

[TOLMACH]

I still have the idea of the sub in the front, My L6s will go in the OEM door locations. But thanks any way! your kicks look awesome!

D.

OEM door locations +1

[sqcomp]

Okay...more spurring you D...

Tonight after work, I've got a late night session at the shop. We'll see some sanding on the kicks and good progress on the sub enclosure. We should see THE cut for the trim ring for the sub and it's angled placement. I'll be trying to keep a similar angle for the amplifiers and the sub just for flow.

You MAY also see a Bit One make an appearance...

[derickveliz2]

Just show us a little BIT one!
How much more control will you have after adding a Bit One to your P-99? what are the pros?

D.

[sqcomp]

Well, the Bit One didn't make an appearance outside the storefront. We talked about placement and wire runs.

There was a lot of work to "finish" the kicks. All I really have to do now is to thread-sert the baffles and rattle can some black the baffles as well. Then it's carpeting for them.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo16.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo17.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo19.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo20-1.jpg

We worked on the sub enclosure as well...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo22-1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo23-1.jpg

The next part is fleecing the ring. I had to let the wood glue on the supports cure. So I couldn't do too much tonight.

We're hemming and hawing about how to place the amplifiers...whether to angle them or place them horizontally. If we place them horizontally, we have enough space to have the S4b floating in between and "above" the two S2b amps...and it'll look like an entire heat sink...RAWR! :)

The Bit one will be on the cabin side of the pass through is what we're thinking about doing.

What is it going to do for me? The equalizer is 31 band 1/3 octave per output channel (in expert mode) that can be set for each individual channel or for linking the left/right respective channels (i.e. left and right front tweeters). TA adjustments are made in .2 dB increments to + or - 12 dB. Once you have all of your tuning done you simply finalize the setting to the processor and you are good. You can save the setting to you computer (just in case.) you have a total of four setups you can program in. Another nice feature is the Dynamic EQ for the subwoofer. For lack of a better term this is a highly adjustable loudness feature. Crossover Filter types are 12 / 24 / 36 / 48 dB Linkwitz & 6 / 12 / 18 / 24 / 30 / 36 / 42 / 48 dB Butterworth filters.

What does that mean? I'll have steeper crossover slopes, more specific EQ control, and TA control over the deck alone.

[derickveliz2]

OEM door locations +1

Several conditions for speakers in door versus kickpanels, I can see here:

Pros:
+Space, for feet and for my front sub
+For some reason I feel it makes the stage wider running off-axis in the OEM door location


Cons:
-Space, for some people is important.
-Speaker environment, I have the feeling that Yari's doors are not very good speaker boxes.
-Difficult to build & finish but not impossible


Probably there are more +/- but I think kick panels are great and much better for mid/bass, if it wasn't that I'm in love with the idea of having a subwoofer in front, I' will continue building my kickpanels. Every time I move the sub to the trunk I feel the Bass on my seat, when I move it to the front, I feel the bass on my body. (price less)

There for, I'm going to give up the idea and work around the OEM door locations and deal with it. I really want a sub in front!

Many people stated me that a good strong Midbass up front will deal having the sub in the trunk, Yes I agree, this time I'm going to follow what I feel/hear is more pleasant to me. Even though at the meet with other car audio enthusiasts a couple of guys commented that I had really good Mid/bass (one of them was a SPL guy) and now changing to the new L6s it's just going to get better.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Well, the Bit One didn't make an appearance outside the storefront. We talked about placement and wire runs.

There was a lot of work to "finish" the kicks. All I really have to do now is to thread-sert the baffles and rattle can some black the baffles as well. Then it's carpeting for them.

The next part is fleecing the ring. I had to let the wood glue on the supports cure. So I couldn't do too much tonight.

We're hemming and hawing about how to place the amplifiers...whether to angle them or place them horizontally. If we place them horizontally, we have enough space to have the S4b floating in between and "above" the two S2b amps...and it'll look like an entire heat sink...RAWR! :)

The Bit one will be on the cabin side of the pass through is what we're thinking about doing.

What is it going to do for me? The equalizer is 31 band 1/3 octave per output channel (in expert mode) that can be set for each individual channel or for linking the left/right respective channels (i.e. left and right front tweeters). TA adjustments are made in .2 dB increments to + or - 12 dB. Once you have all of your tuning done you simply finalize the setting to the processor and you are good. You can save the setting to you computer (just in case.) you have a total of four setups you can program in. Another nice feature is the Dynamic EQ for the subwoofer. For lack of a better term this is a highly adjustable loudness feature. Crossover Filter types are 12 / 24 / 36 / 48 dB Linkwitz & 6 / 12 / 18 / 24 / 30 / 36 / 42 / 48 dB Butterworth filters.

What does that mean? I'll have steeper crossover slopes, more specific EQ control, and TA control over the deck alone.


Nice! I see you took the flat face approach, very clever and easier to work with.

Bit One: mmm it's getting too complicated I'll leave that for the Pros! I like how easy is for me going through the P-99 features, I understand is not as complex, and like you told me once, it's simple and does a good job.

Keep the pictures coming!

are you giving up the spare tire space?

D.

[sqcomp]

The other nice thing about this kick pod setup for me is that I can have the car wide open and the sound stage stays the same...good for quick demos.

With what I'm doing, I'll need the flexibility that the Bit One gives me. The nice thing though, is if anything bad happens to the piece, I have the source to use.

Yes, I've given up the spare tire. I've got roadside assistance from three places (insurance, Toyota, and the tire place). I'm good.

I think the next pictures will be the finish of the kicks, more work on the sub enclosure, and sometime in the next month, I'll be working the frame for the amps. I'll be using one of the shop guy's cars while the Yaris is being welded on. After the frame is up, then we place the amps and the Bit One.

Fun!

[sqcomp]

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo30.jpg
^I'm going to do the grills on Sunday before these get carpeted.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo26.jpg
^ That is a jig...I now make two copies and flush them down into my grills...

You'll see those soon.

[derickveliz2]

^I'm going to do the grills on Sunday before these get carpeted.


^ That is a jig...I now make two copies and flush them down into my grills...

You'll see those soon.

Very nice!

I keep staring at the HAT logo but I can't find out where it's coming or what is trying to say, do you know the history behind? I'm curious to know.

D.

[sqcomp]

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/image.php?u=2615&dateline=1306369793

"It is the Christian cross with the stylized circle being the international symbol of unity (“Unbroken Circle”, kind of like a wedding band would signify perfect unity – thus the naming nomenclature of the future Unity series)." - Scott Buwalda

[_S7V7N_]

Hey D i installed them Autotek's today and wow, they sound pretty damn good. The crossover still allows the higher frequencies on the 6.5's through to the tweeter. It's giving a pretty full sound . The Midbass probably isn't as impressive as SQ's or yours but it's good enough for me ! I crossed the mid's over at 120 Hz and they still put out a decent amount of thump !

[TOLMACH]

Hey D i installed them Autotek's today and wow, they sound pretty damn good. The crossover still allows the higher frequencies on the 6.5's through to the tweeter. It's giving a pretty full sound . The Midbass probably isn't as impressive as SQ's or yours but it's good enough for me ! I crossed the mid's over at 120 Hz and they still put out a decent amount of thump !

Was there any special reason for setting the HP filter for your mid woofers at 120 Hz?

[_S7V7N_]

I could Easily set it to pick up the mids at 90 Hz but i liked the way it sounds. It's not a brick wall, it'll pick up stuff lower than 120 Hz. You have a diff suggestion ?

[TOLMACH]

I could Easily set it to pick up the mids at 90 Hz but i liked the way it sounds. It's not a brick wall, it'll pick up stuff lower than 120 Hz. You have a diff suggestion ?

it sure depends on your taste.. most people would cross their mids at 60-80 hz (12 db/oct.)

[sqcomp]

In my case, I crossed my L8's at 40 Hz. I have a feeling that these L6SE's may be crossed in the 30's or even lower...

I have plenty of juice to push them, a neat pair of pods that make the L6SE's close to, I not completely, IB.

Mid bass is the key for me.

[_S7V7N_]

I may get an 8 inch sub to handle the midbass, but for now Imma let the 12's handle the 20 - 100 Hz Range.

[_S7V7N_]

I did some searching since you guys set yours different and this was what i found on Crutchfield : http://www.crutchfield.com/S-zucuJncJha4/learn/learningcenter/car/crossovers_faq.html

In a hypothetical car audio system the audio frequencies might be directed as follows:

Low frequencies (say 100 Hz and lower) go to subwoofers.
Midbass speakers get frequencies between 100 and 250 Hz.
Midrange speakers would see frequencies between 250 and 3,000 Hz.
All frequencies above 3,000 are handled by the tweeters.

Keep in mind that the points listed here are not set in stone and do not apply to every car out there. The best crossover points for one vehicle might not be the best for another. It all depends on the speakers being used and the acoustic properties of the car. Most electronic crossovers allow you to choose from several crossover points.


Nothings ever set in stone, Like SQ has them kickass 6.5's and Derick does as well so there crossover points will be a hell of a lot lower than mine. The specs on mine say 60 Hz on the low end, I'd prolly do 60 Hz if i had them in an enclosure with the specified airspace i wouldn't worry to much about over powering them and possibly messing up my voice coils ( which is what i think happend to my component 6.5's ).

[sqcomp]

Here's something a little more solid to look at:

http://renegademinds.com/Portals/0/GDT/Remove-Instruments/Interactive-Frequency-Chart.png

[xbr3akd0wnx]

Here's something a little more solid to look at:

http://renegademinds.com/Portals/0/GDT/Remove-Instruments/Interactive-Frequency-Chart.png

This is like a map of God's internal organs
Impossible for the likes of me to understand :headbang:

[sqcomp]

^ This is actually a good reference to have printed out and in front of you when tuning, especially with a 1/3 octave control...I speak from experience.

So D...

I may know someone at my shop with a 700.2. You might call Aaron at the shop and ask him about it.

Spurring you on a little more:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo37.jpg
^A blurry closeup of the conceptual on the amp rack. I'm keeping it budgeted tightly. We went as wild as separating the two big amps, reversing them so you see guts. Then we'd place the four channel on a piece of plexi, "floating" and backlight that bad boy.

Instead we're going to show heat sinks on all the amps and have the four channel suspended above the two using a rack and a single piece of MDF that will be carved out on the insides a bit to show off the DD logos on the two big amps while still "floating" the 4 channel on the MDF piece. It'll be routered and painted to match the car. We still might do some lighting behind the 4 channel to show the big boys off.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo36.jpg
^Guess what piece makes an appearance? :)

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo35.jpg
^ 48 dB slopes on all channels left and right, 1/3 octave control on all outputs, and TA down to .2 milis of control. Think about it D...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo34.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo33.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo32.jpg
^I didn't finish tonight on these simply because I'm sending the grill inserts to be CnC'd...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo31.jpg
^Rack construction? What rack construction? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! That's Jim...He's got a square face...

[TOLMACH]

In my case, I crossed my L8's at 40 Hz. I have a feeling that these L6SE's may be crossed in the 30's or even lower...

I have plenty of juice to push them, a neat pair of pods that make the L6SE's close to, I not completely, IB.

Mid bass is the key for me.

Do you think you will get good (level of at least F-3) 40 Hz in your kick panel pods? (Asking 'cause never had experience with kicks)

Also, why don't you open a separate thread dedicated to your project? Yours is interesting instal deserving a separate one ))

[_S7V7N_]

He had an awsome thread with lots of pics but deleted it cause people were being ______ . it would be great if that thread was reopened !

[sqcomp]

^ *meh* I hear you. I'm posting these pics to drive Derick on to do a little more...

Speaking of...

Derick, do you have an announcement about a certain new amplifier? :D

...Also, my grill inserts are being CnC'd this week. Nice! It'll be a brushed aluminum insert over an MDF ring. I'll be making two sets of rings, one for show and one for "go" (daily use).

40 Hz in a kick. Well, I'm attempting to recreate an infinite baffle loading on the speakers. What you haven't seen, right below in the sheet metal of the car we Yaris owners have plugs that go into sub frame...just by the kick panel area. That "venting" allows the speaker to load much differently than a sealed or even a traditional vented encolsure.

Having heard the L6SE before in a "tuned" vehicle (a 3x MECA world champ vehicle), one almost doesn't need a woofer...seriously...Dave had his Camry pushing his L6SE's down to 25 Hz. They had great attack and decay, great presence and the definite ability to play low. He had two 12" woofer IB loaded in the trunk. They only came alive around 30 Hz and below.

in my setup I have more power and much more control than even that championship vehicle I'm alluding to. This means good things!

[derickveliz2]

^ *meh* I hear you. I'm posting these pics to drive Derick on to do a little more...

Speaking of...

Derick, do you have an announcement about a certain new amplifier? :D


Yeah! it was crazy but finally I got a NIB Image Dynamic 700.2

175 watts @ 4 ohms! for my L6s

http://tokospeaker.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/Q700-2.jpg




I also got for my birthday an iPad! I know the P-99 it's iPod ready! I'm going to try tomorrow if works with the iPad

http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/images/overview_mirroring_20110311.jpg#features-gallery2

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8128/p99rs.jpg


I downloaded a free app with RTA:

http://www.promusicapps.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/rta1-2.jpeg


D.

[derickveliz2]

A-pillar update!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/1d753fe2.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/f21438ab.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/873f6cfb.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/22c99e79.jpg



http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/bc82b9dc.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/94203794.jpg




http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/fdc58f05.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/b86dee47.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/fc47d330.jpg



D.

[_S7V7N_]

I connected my I-Touch for the first time ina while, for some reason it sounded better than my regular MP3 player, i hardly put cd's in anymore although CD's give you far better sound. I need to find a good program that will convert audio files without losing alot of SQ.

Maybe somebody can chime in.

Congrats on the i Pad ! One question if you play a movie on the i Pad will you get surround sound straight off the USB or would you have to run an Audio / video cable like this ? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61LB7maESpL._AA1000_.jpg

[sqcomp]

Music file conversion? Goldwave.

[derickveliz2]

Having heard the L6SE before in a "tuned" vehicle (a 3x MECA world champ vehicle), one almost doesn't need a woofer...seriously...Dave had his Camry pushing his L6SE's down to 25 Hz. They had great attack and decay, great presence and the definite ability to play low. He had two 12" woofer IB loaded in the trunk. They only came alive around 30 Hz and below.

in my setup I have more power and much more control than even that championship vehicle I'm alluding to. This means good things!

I'm not going to be a champ, that is not my intention, but this is exactly where I'm going to... if I can get my L6s properly installed and tuned I only need a little sub-woofer in the front!


D. :thumbsup:

[sqcomp]

Hey D,

How do you have the thread-serts installed in the baffle for the mids? Just screwed in?

[derickveliz2]

I need to find a good program that will convert audio files without losing alot of SQ.

Maybe somebody can chime in. [/IMG]

I didn't know about "Goldwave" so I've been using free software:

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Front%20Stage/c03d00af.jpg


D.

[sqcomp]

http://www.goldwave.com/

[derickveliz2]

Hey D,

How do you have the thread-serts installed in the baffle for the mids? Just screwed in?

For this I really had to go back into my R/C skills... (not a big science, but it's simple and it works)

1.- mark precisely all 4 holes.

2.- use a tiny drill bit to center the thread-serts

3.- use a bigger drill bit but still smaller than the thread sert

4.- screw in the thread sert

5.- unscrew the tread sert

6.- apply CA + accelerator into the MDF hole

7.- re-screw thread sert

8.- apply CA + accelerator to the outside of the thread sert


I know, maybe sounds complicated but the rings for the HL-70s don't leave space for errors/mistakes, it's just to small. Like you can see in the photos the thread serts exposed on one side... final en result... rock solid.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/68f060c9.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/39157b19.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/2d254855.jpg


D.

[derickveliz2]

Today I test fit the a-pillars... like a glove! fit is perfect!


D.

[derickveliz2]

My brother came to visit us, I took him for a ride on my Yaris, well I gave him the keys for the ride of his life! and this is what happen later:

We start pulling out the drive way and a couple of blocks away he tells me "This is a very quiet car, feels very solid and I can barely hear or feel the engine" He has a 2008 Subaru Legacy.

Then I turn on the P-99 (no a-pillars, no Mids, tweeters on cup-holders) and he was speech less... then I explained to him about Time Alignment, front stage... and he was thrilled! I told him how much better the sound is when the Mids are in action. He just couldn't believe it.

Another point for the Yaris and one more day of making me feel good about it... all this work and time on my car. Makes me feel proud of my self. (o:

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Congrats bro !

[sqcomp]

I was hoping you CA'd those thread-serts in.

good news on the test drive!

[derickveliz2]

I was hoping you CA'd those thread-serts in.

good news on the test drive!

I love CA+Accelerator

got used to it when building r/c airplanes.

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/9/1/9/3/a958180-51-DSC_6783a.jpg

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/9/1/9/3/a967544-122-1DSC_6880.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

More spurring for D to follow:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo1-3.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo14-2.jpg

...Of course I didn't take the opportunity to take a picture with the grills over the speakers. What I have to do now is to find a NON-stainless steel machine screw (preferably a flat headed security type screw) so that I only need to use magnets on the grill's underside to attach them to the kick.



That'll probably happen sometime this week or early next.



What should be noted about these grills is that these are for daily driving and use. I have some "show" grills being made right now. I'll place those on...during shows obviously. These that are made above are a little bit of router work, some sanding, painting, stapling, and gluing. It's a fun afternoon project really.

[derickveliz2]

More spurring for D to follow:
...Of course I didn't take the opportunity to take a picture with the grills over the speakers. What I have to do now is to find a NON-stainless steel machine screw (preferably a flat headed security type screw) so that I only need to use magnets on the grill's underside to attach them to the kick.

That'll probably happen sometime this week or early next.

What should be noted about these grills is that these are for daily driving and use. I have some "show" grills being made right now. I'll place those on...during shows obviously. These that are made above are a little bit of router work, some sanding, painting, stapling, and gluing. It's a fun afternoon project really.

Very nice, do you have a picture looking at the back of the enclosures?

D.

[sqcomp]

The back huh?

You're trying to see if I have them open like the last pods? If that's the case, no I don't. I've got the opening on the bottom that leads down into/through the subframe holes in the floorboard.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo12-2.jpg
^This is actually the side of the pod. I can tell because the little hole right there is used to bolt the pod into the car where the wiring bundles behind the kicks go.

It doesn't look like I have any direct pics of the back. I can take some if you'd like.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo5-3.jpg
^You can see the hole I was referring to through the grill cloth...

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo4-4.jpg
^There's also this one too...

You can see with that last one that the pod's glassing is VERY thick. When you rap or knock on the pod, it's pretty much a dead thud or impact. It's not hollow at all. I'd liken it to the same sound when you hit a stone wall. There's just THAT sound...that nope, it's not moving sound. All the interior and edges of said interior of the pods have been coated with long hair. It's simply rock solid.

I'd estimate that each of the kicks unloaded weights at least 10 lbs.

[derickveliz2]

Very nice Sqcomp,

Has HAT come up with a formula to calculate the area for venting? when I did my first pods (Spheres) some one at DIYMA wrote that the vents should be at least 1/3 of the cone area, what are the Legatia's cooking recipe for this scenario?

D. Ps... why did you do only 1 pair of kick panels? lol

[sqcomp]

Why only one pair of Yaris kicks? No one else has the nuts to do kicks like me.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked016.gif

He he...J/K D!

[derickveliz2]

Why only one pair of Yaris kicks? No one else has the nuts to do kicks like me.

He he...J/K D!

Just because I really want a woofer up front, I'm putting my Lows at the doors OEM location, other wise kick panels is the way to go.

tell us a little bit why you went from a pair of L8 down to L6SE? I know down size sometimes it's good.


D.

[sqcomp]

Well, the L8SE's are massive. I'd say they're suited more for the space available in a truck versus a sub compact like ours. Take for example:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2694.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2106.jpg

versus

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo5-4.jpg

Why? Isn't there no replacement for displacement? Yes and no. In this case, I would be starving the L8SE's for airspace. It would be like putting a turbocharger on our engine without upgrading the injectors. More air needs more fuel. Recall that both these speakers like to run IB. Well, I'm closer to an IB setup with the L6SE given that I'm in the same general airspace perhaps a little bigger with the smaller speaker and the same "vent" through the bottom.

I do lose 1 mm of Xmax and the cone area. But really? I have HUGE power available. More power than I'll ever need.

Working with that logic, I'm interested to hear these things sing here in a couple weeks.

[sqcomp]

Oh...we got the rack frame up:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo16-1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo18-1.jpg

I know it doesn't look like much, but that board is the space of just the two amplifiers. RAWR!!!!!

The S4b will be on the cabin side of that framed board.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo17-1.jpg

The Bit One will be under the passenger's seat in a little protective cover. Tonight I'll be heading to the shop to start fleecing for the sub enclosure and carpeting the amp board. Hopefully I'll be able to start the cover for the Bit One as well.

[derickveliz2]

Well, the L8SE's are massive. I'd say they're suited more for the space available in a truck versus a sub compact like ours.Recall that both these speakers like to run IB. Well, I'm closer to an IB setup with the L6SE given that I'm in the same general airspace perhaps a little bigger with the smaller speaker and the same "vent" through the bottom.

I do lose 1 mm of Xmax and the cone area. But really? I have HUGE power available. More power than I'll ever need.

Working with that logic, I'm interested to hear these things sing here in a couple weeks.

Agree 100%, sounds very clever.

On the passengers side... how are you venting the L6SE's? to the floor like on Pilot's side? or in that vertical cavity towards the wheel well?


D.

[sqcomp]

I'm venting them the same way as the driver's side. We do have the option of also using the vertical cavity as well. If I feel that my mid bass is choking, I'll open up the sides.

[derickveliz2]

I'm so tired of sanding, and the a-pillars don't even look close to finish )o:


D.

[sqcomp]

Pics...

...and yes, that mid-pillar burn out will happen. You think mine just appeared "perfect"? Feel my sacrifice and sanding pain. :) Why do you think a good shop wil charge so much for custom work like that? Time, time, and more time.

[sickpuppy1]

D, and when your done, and their in you'll say, F yes! I did that! and when people ask who did them for you or if you did them yourself, your gonna be so proud.Its worth it in the end.......just getting to the end that sucks,lol
Bet.....when there in and set up you get this giddy little sentimental chuckle inside....

[sqcomp]

^ I'll second that! This is YOUR work. This is something YOU should feel proud of. If you need help, let me know. I'd say send the pillars to me and I'd finish them...BUT...they need to be YOUR pillars.

[derickveliz2]

Pics...

...and yes, that mid-pillar burn out will happen. You think mine just appeared "perfect"? Feel my sacrifice and sanding pain. :) Why do you think a good shop wil charge so much for custom work like that? Time, time, and more time.

Here are some pictures of the a-pillars WIP...

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/b673fc86.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/d389cc6f.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/c32e8c63.jpg


D.

[derickveliz2]

Thanks guys!
I'm sure going to feel proud and sore! jeje

Here is something I don't need to sand! AKA 175watts x 2 for my L6's

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/066b47e2.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/94a559be.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

I started with the soft filler that I used on the spheres to cover the really small uneven surfaces, tomorrow I suspect more sanding...

(o:

D.

[sqcomp]

He he! You know my quest...POWER! You've upgraded your grounds and the alty to battery, right?

Now...to the pillars.

How's the transition between the filler and the plastic? Is it smooth? Truly? I had to bring that line up a bit more than you have yours. The red marks are to bring attention to spots that you need to work on?

[sqcomp]

More spurring for you D...Get crackin' on your $hit!

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo7-1-1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo8-1-1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo2-4.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo10-2-1.jpg
^The speakers are back in...

[derickveliz2]

He he! You know my quest...POWER! You've upgraded your grounds and the alty to battery, right?

Now...to the pillars.

How's the transition between the filler and the plastic? Is it smooth? Truly? I had to bring that line up a bit more than you have yours. The red marks are to bring attention to spots that you need to work on?


Yes I did a Big 3, you help me do it! LOL

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-EEa4LmOxIyE/TD8dsc0shOI/AAAAAAAAYqk/ZyAolCpPKRc/s800/DSC_0966.JPG




Transition it's smooth, of course it can get better (it will), I'm concern on how to finish them... Primer, texture, paint or flock? :iono:

Yes the red marks are from a previous Bondo/Sanding in my attempt to fill valleys and little imperfections.

D.

[derickveliz2]

.:wink:

Thinking about the power...

At 40MPH - under 2,000 RPMs - fifth gear - flat road - Lights on - AC cranking full power - HU on at max volume - Spanish pop music playing - =

13.8 volts according to the P99s volt meter.


.:wink:

[derickveliz2]

More spurring for you D...Get crackin' on your $hit!

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo7-1-1.jpg


http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo2-4.jpg

^The speakers are back in...


That's a very strange spare tire... LOL

The L4SE's have a nice sexy BUTT.

Mmm... you still need front and rear spoiler, ground effects, eye lids, front grill, shark fin antenna (fake), allow wheels, Lowering springs, SSK, etc ... JKD . (o:

I know your install is much fancier and nicer than mine, but I'll let you have the best sound system on a Yaris! :thumbup: on that side of the continent! jeje and I forgot... RED looks faster!


D.

[derickveliz2]

It's hot and humid down stairs!

I did sand last night glaze coat! easier to sand than bondo, after 3 layers of bondo I'm done with bondo!

added another layer of glaze so I have something to sand tomorrow. Every layer makes the a-pillar look better.

http://www.evercoat.com/imgs/products/GlazeCoat.jpg


D.

[sqcomp]

You know...you're right. With all the exterior enhancements, I think you've got the best looking yaris. I really need to do that stuff next. You don't mind if I make your car's twin in flint micha do you?

That glazing putty is easy stuff (fun) to work with. I'm anxious to hear your impressions of that Q amp.

[derickveliz2]

You know...you're right. With all the exterior enhancements, I think you've got the best looking yaris. I really need to do that stuff next. You don't mind if I make your car's twin in flint micha do you?

That glazing putty is easy stuff (fun) to work with. I'm anxious to hear your impressions of that Q amp.

No I don't mind at all! :w00t: you can also copy Kaotic and Herb! other awesome, good looking sedans in the continent! to be honest Kaotic's Yaris was the inspiration to do mine.

Q amp... me too but...I need 2 fuses (came without fuses) and I'm trying to find out how many amps each...

D.

[derickveliz2]

For now, more sanding and a couple of layers of primer, I did open a hole for the L1v2s but the thickness of the glass didn't let me use the plywood baffle behind, but all is good.

I'll upload pictures later for the record.

(o:

[sqcomp]

...and after installing the passenger's side a-pillar...I think I've messed with it SO much that it's not clicking in anymore. Yikes! I'm replacing the white switch clips on Monday. If that doesn't work, I'll try to use my grill guide magnets to try and attach them that way...

Pray for me. I REALLY don't want to have to redo my right side a-pillar.

[derickveliz2]

sqcomp... that's scary, is that due to the on/off of the a-pillars? the left one is getting easier to take off every time, I think I should get new clips too!

D.

[sqcomp]

Wait! I've already ordered 4.

I actually figured out what the issue was. It was how I was running my wiring on that side of the car's pillar. It finally hit me this afternoon. I had something like 15 minutes after coming home from Army drill...before taking a girlie out to the Kenny Chesney concert. I sat there and looked at the pillar and notice a bow in the center. It was one of those moments where you're like, WTF!? I looked at the other pillar, sighed and took off the pillar. I sat there looking at the wiring and just moved it from the position I had it into what seemed like it would obstruct the pillar even more. Nope! It fell right into place like it was supposed to be there the whole time. Now it's almost like new! Go figure. After two years of struggling with the pillar on that side, I finally have it right.

I'll still replace the two, I can probably just drop you the other two just for the hell of it.

[derickveliz2]

Yeah! thanks,
I need to commit my self and try hard to contact Jim for the I6SW, every time I call him... he is out, I can't get hold of him!

D.

[sqcomp]

You know you can talk to Aaron too...

I'll be there tomorrow working on the woofer enclosure and the Bit One. I talked to Stan from DC Power, they're trying to get the alternator out to me on the 12th. He mentioned that they were machining the body of the alternator on Friday. Go figure, apparently you do get what you pay for. We'll see when we install it.

[derickveliz2]

Pictures... "Work in Progress"

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/e80fd58a.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/68997e8e.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/7991f86f.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/6aed408b.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/65dded59.jpg

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[derickveliz2]

You know you can talk to Aaron too...

I'll be there tomorrow working on the woofer enclosure and the Bit One. I talked to Stan from DC Power, they're trying to get the alternator out to me on the 12th. He mentioned that they were machining the body of the alternator on Friday. Go figure, apparently you do get what you pay for. We'll see when we install it.

Thanks, I'll get in touch with them tomorrow.

Looks like you are getting a super alternator upgrade! keep us posted!

D.

[derickveliz2]

Tweeter Gap...

Filling in the space! I learned this Technic securing servos into Foam wings of my r/c airplanes, forgot how we call it, but it's simple and works.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/3f470dfc.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/d5590f7c.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/2cac18bf.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/43b9f133.jpg

[derickveliz2]

1st attempt to get some texture, final a-pillar finish will be black to hide away speakers. A little stealth factor in my equation!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/d3208bd0.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/8638d556.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

Test fit the elements!...

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/d87c2345.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/8668e315.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/214e07da.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/9c60bfe6.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/95346447.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/e8754cea.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/9f001571.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/1fe06641.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/6aed408b.jpg

Talk to me about the edge there...

You sanded it down more, correct?

[derickveliz2]

Talk to me about the edge there...

You sanded it down more, correct? YES!

I left on purpose that image, I knew it was going to bring your attention:

- Yes... I did sanded more with this:

http://tomsdigitalcentral.com/i/trc/to/GPMR6172.jpg



- I could have photo-shop the image

-D.

[sqcomp]

He he! My man! I have learned to love the straight edge sanding block. Tell me about the tweeter...

(yes, I'm being tough on you on purpose)

Here's something for you:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2840.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2841.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2843.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2844.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2845.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2847.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2848.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2851.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2853.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/th_CIMG2842.jpg (http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/?action=view&current=CIMG2842.mp4)
^No leaks...and it sounds great. Excuse the camera's microphone, it doesn't reflect the actual sound.

[derickveliz2]

He he! My man! I have learned to love the straight edge sanding block. Tell me about the tweeter...

(yes, I'm being tough on you on purpose)

Here's something for you:

^No leaks...and it sounds great. Excuse the camera's microphone, it doesn't reflect the actual sound.

The right tweeter end up flush but the left one there was a small gap, that I filled in and then sanded out, similar to what you did to the edge of your subwoofer.

:clap: That's a sexy sub you have there, I think I wrote this before (o: :laugh:

If I could just do something like that with my IDQ12 and stick it under the dashboard... :smoking:

Hey I'm about to try the Mids down in the Kicks, the PLDs turn out to be really good, I want to do this before I plug the Mids on the a-pillars to compare and write my thoughts.

I'm afraid I could like it! that makes me think... mmm going to start all over again!

D.
D.

[sqcomp]

I think you could like it too...

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/164000-164999/164608_98_full.jpg?230909-324

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp352/ozziefudd/090-1.jpg

[derickveliz2]

I think you could like it too...


On the first photo... tell me he is not using the OEM door speakers area? Mids in the kickpanels Tweeters on A-pillars, Lows on the floor... floor? how did he deal with ground clearance? sub in the trunk?

Keep them coming!

D.

[sqcomp]

Mid bass in the doors AND in the floor. Two 15"s in the trunk.

That is Bill Pleasant's IASCA/USACi SQ vehicle. It's been the highest scoring vehicle in his class in IASCA for 4 years now without changing a single piece of equipment. People have been trying to take him down for years and it's hasn't worked well for them.

[derickveliz2]

Mid bass in the doors AND in the floor. Two 15"s in the trunk.

That is Bill Pleasant's IASCA/USACi SQ vehicle. It's been the highest scoring vehicle in his class in IASCA for 4 years now without changing a single piece of equipment. People have been trying to take him down for years and it's hasn't worked well for them.

4 Midbass!!!

very interesting....

D.

[sqcomp]

I thought you might like that. It seems to work for Bill. I'll probably be seeing him in August.

[derickveliz2]

I thought you might like that. It seems to work for Bill. I'll probably be seeing him in August.

What are your thoughts comparing the ergonomics of the Yaris with the Altima?

HAT recommends a difference of PLDs of no more than 12 inches for the Mids. At the A-pillars I have 10 inches aprox.

D.

[sqcomp]

Yes an no. This is where you can play with aiming and your time alignment. Yes, the PLDs should be equal (or as equal as possible). That goes without saying for any speaker really. Take my setup for example, it works because the passenger's side speaker is more on axis than the driver's side. It lends itself to a nice even stage and precise imaging. What it lacks at this point is width. It goes a little beyond pillar to pillar.

I know what and how I can improve the pillars if I was to do them over again. The tweeters would stay the same but the kids would sink in a little more and I'd put the mids slightly more on axis and deeper into the windshield. Why? Because we have the processing to make that setup happen.

Ultimately, I want to rebuild the dash and make this little yaris a two seat car for the IASCA judges. I could do that...

Planning and scheming. I know exactly where I'd place the speakers. On the engine bay side of the firewall...aperiodically enclosed (sort of)...weatherproof of course. The trippy
thing is that the other drivers around me would hear all my music.

[sqcomp]

More spurring for you D! I'm glad you got the sub ordered. I'm working on the CD thing. I just got the blue screen of death on my laptop on Monday. I'm working on it though.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo-9.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo2-5.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo3-6.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo6-4.jpg

To those who don't know...that is a 15" woofer. Small car and huge amps...much like an audio hot rod. :)

[derickveliz2]

I love "Yes and No" answers at work we use them a lot. There is a lot of thinking behind that short sentence.

"mids slightly more on axis and deeper into the windshield." more on axis I get it but deeper into the windshield? :confused:

What does it means a 2 seat car for the IASCA judges?


"On the engine bay side of the firewall" I can't picture this..:iono:


D.

[derickveliz2]

More spurring for you D! I'm glad you got the sub ordered. I'm working on the CD thing. I just got the blue screen of death on my laptop on Monday. I'm working on it though.

To those who don't know...that is a 15" woofer. Small car and huge amps...much like an audio hot rod. :)

Yeah, mean while I'm getting a 6 inch woofer you are showing off a 15" woofer!

Beautiful amp rack, the DD logo looks like it's a woofer in action!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KnrzusN2fYk/TjD553lP5zI/AAAAAAAAivw/n-Q331zDBFg/Fullscreen%252520capture%2525207282011%25252015343 %252520AM.bmp.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

Yesterday I painted the a-pillars black (mate) I left my camera at the office so we'll have to wait for pictures!

I like the way they came out! looks very OEM finish,

NOTE: the original color of my Yaris on the a-pillars is Tang or Beige not black! I just don't want the speakers to show off from the outside! in black they will blend better, like camouflage.

D.

[sqcomp]

I love "mids slightly more on axis and deeper into the windshield." more on axis I get it but deeper into the windshield? :confused:

What does it means a 2 seat car for the IASCA judges?


[B]"On the engine bay side of the firewall" I can't picture this..:iono:

You recall how my mids are now. Angle them in towards the cabin, then move them "back" to snug more closely with the windsheild, and then sink them in a little more closely to the a-pillar.

In IASCA you have two types of judging classifications. One seat and two seat. Two seat judging is what the more advanced audio setups are in. They're the ones that *should* sound good from either seat with judges in both seats.

Picturing the location of the speakers I was talking about isn't needed at this point. I'm exploring future setups. While at CES this year, I was privy to how Scott set up Black Betty. Now I know how and where he stages his speakers as well as what the specifics of the enclosures are (for the most part). This will make it easier for me to move up into a two seat class OR simply improve on my own setup in the future.

The action shot of the trunk is from a crappy iPhone camera. Being "blurry" is simply an effect of the conditions and lack of a good camera.

So...Pics of the new colored A-pillars! :smile: Give!

[derickveliz2]

So...Pics of the new colored A-pillars! :smile: Give!

Per your request!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/601c8acc.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/ec22c53b.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/2b2f6f04.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/e8d68059.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/94bd37e2.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/66e46f6d.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/ecdcf9bf.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/699a9a10.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/06800faf.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/797ef7b5.jpg


D.

[derickveliz2]

OK!

I did a test for my self that I had to do... before continuing my install:


I put the MIDS down in the Kick panel area! see pictures below my temporary installation.

Thoughts:

Yes I could live with that! It's amazing how our brains work, stage is way up around HU area. Even I know and I see the speakers down there I hear and feel the music up there!

The stage is wide and smooth, If I didn't have the option of going with the MIDS up in the a-pillars I would be very pleased with the MIDS in the kick panels, what I didn't like was that I found out why they call them kick panels! I was so afraid to kick my mids, but that's an issue that we can take care in the installation.

If I had a sports car or a car that you are close to the floor and your legs are stretch out forward, I see a very convenient opportunity for MIDS at kick panels, on the Yaris even though PLDs are improved the kicks are kind of forward/ down, think like in a SUV that the kicks are 45 degrees or more from you. Maybe that is way the stage stops at the HU area.

Now I'm going with the MIDS up on the a-pillars like you see in the pictures above, because I want to take advantage of the cavernous "Windshield - Dashboard" of the Yaris, it's like a big open mouth, see your self other cars the windshield and the dashboard create a very small area, angle, how ever you call it, it doesn't compare with the Yaris' proportions. And I'm going to take advantage of that!

For example my Corolla doesn't brings me the same space, and some other cars have the instrument cluster on the pilot's side, the Yaris has a symmetrical dashboard, Yes my PLDs suffer a penalty of about 2 inches and the distance between speakers is less for about 3-4 inches, but I can deal with that, my PLDs are under 12 inches (9.5" for a-pillars scenario) and the COOL factor watching the cones of the MIDS move like little woofers it's amazing!

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/d174e615.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/ed1cb30a.jpg

Yeap! bags of rice are great to hold down your speakers!


D.

[sqcomp]

Fun test down there wasn't it? I'll bet you we could get the image up on the dash too...

[derickveliz2]

Another issue that I ran into with the Mids down in the kick panel area is my knee! if between my left ear and left Mid, center image kind of fades away.


D.

[derickveliz2]

Fun test down there wasn't it? I'll bet you we could get the image up on the dash too...

Did you do try it?


D.

[sqcomp]

No. One of my previous systems I had though.

More pics:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo14-4.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2856.jpg

^The RCAs and power is run, at least temporarily run on the power wire. I see myself today bolting up a ground and running the speaker wires to the amps.

[derickveliz2]

I finished the a-pillars they are pounding music! awesome center image, just like if there was a speaker some where floating in the middle of the windshield above, over the instrument cluster.

Yes I can tell the stage got slightly smaller by 1 or 2 inches, but after a while, just been amazed on how good you can spot vocals/instruments/etc on the stage, it's a trade that I'm happy to take, and I haven't played with T/A or EQ, this is where the fun starts.

I'll post some pictures of the a-pillars in place tomorrow.

D.

[derickveliz2]

No. One of my previous systems I had though.

More pics:

^The RCAs and power is run, at least temporarily run on the power wire. I see myself today bolting up a ground and running the speaker wires to the amps.

The Bit One, looks like if I would like just a little bit "one"! jeje, wonder what would do for you over the P-99 in real life. Just curious, looks awesome.

What are those circles on your bumper?

D.

[sqcomp]

I wish you could see how big my smile is!

D...let me take the next step in the tuning. I'm under the impression I can widen the stage with some creative crossover play that involves phasing and TA.

Look for some hints from me over the next couple months on how we're going to move our image out well onto the hood and stretching from mirror to mirror.

[derickveliz2]

I wish you could see how big my smile is!

D...let me take the next step in the tuning. I'm under the impression I can widen the stage with some creative crossover play that involves phasing and TA.

Look for some hints from me over the next couple months on how we're going to move our image out well onto the hood and stretching from mirror to mirror.

Can't wait! That's awesome!

mean while I'll install the HAT L6s, and hopefully the HAT I6SW, and of course the IDQ-700.2

D.

[sqcomp]

The bumper? That's backup sensors. It's a real nice, relatively inexpensive, upgrade. I've also got blinking brakelights like you see on the ambulances, firetrucks, and race cars.

What does the Bit One do over the P-99? The equalizer is 31 band 1/3 octave per output channel (in expert mode) that can be set for each individual channel or for linking the left/right respective channels. Adjustments are made in .2 dB increments to + or - 12 dB.

Another nice feature is the Dynamic EQ for the subwoofer. For lack of a better term this is a highly adjustable loudness feature.

The Bit One includes a DRC (Digital Remote Control) that is used to select different inputs, to switch between the four preset tunes and to adjust the Balance, Fader and Subwoofer volume. It is also used as the master volume for all input sources.

Crossover Filter type 12 / 24 / 36 / 48 dB Linkwitz
6 / 12 / 18 / 24 / 30 / 36 / 42 / 48 dB Butterworth
Crossover Mode Hi Pass / Low Pass / Band Pass
Equalizer Filter type 31 Band, ISO 1/3 Oct, 20 Hz÷20 kHz
Equalizer Gain +/- 12 dB
Delay 0÷22 ms (748 cm / 294.5 inch)

[derickveliz2]

" blinking brake lights" I want blinking lights!

D.

[sqcomp]

I'll send you a module if you want...I'd only ask to cover my costs...

[derickveliz2]

I'll send you a module if you want...I'd only ask to cover my costs...

Let me know the details!

D. :thumbsup:

[sqcomp]

Actually...here's the site:

http://www.flashingbrakelights.com/Index.html

Let me know what you think.

Well would you look at what's up and playing?

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo15-2.jpg

I've managed to get it to a VERY similar tune to what I had on the deck before the Bit One. Now...I have a couple weeks to play with the tune. After the show at Soundsgood, I have a year to play around with the tune and massage the system to make all the speakers and enclosures perfect and harmonious.

What gets me though, I haven't figured out yet if I can adjust each side of the slope independently like I could with the P-01 crossover. It'd be a pisser if you couldn't...

[derickveliz2]

And the pictures... (sorry I didn't have my SLR so point and shoot for now)

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/3e6876b9.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/fbd4ebfd.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/d1699a62.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/c87e8f40.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/6a4adb8e.jpg

[sqcomp]

D! Those pillars are secksi!

Here's something fun for you:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/th_CIMG2875.jpg (http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/?action=view&current=CIMG2875.mp4)

It isn't an accurate representation of the actual sound. The vocals are NOT echoey inside the car at all. That is the mono mic on the camera reacting to the two sides' wavelengths and all the reflections in the vehicle. There is actually bass as well, you can sort of hear the sound fade in and out...that's the bass hitting and overloading the little handheld camera mic. You also don't get left and right separation and at the end with that explosion, on this camera, you hear almost a digital report...it's the camera and NOT the system. Also, the background noise (hiss)? That's the camera as well. The only noise one could maybe remotely hear *might* be the CD transport. Other than that, the system is dead quiet in person.

I also kept the lights off so that you wouldn't see anything to distract you. It's just the IASCA SQ judge in me not wanting to bias anyone. :thumbup:

[sickpuppy1]

Interesting recording! You mean and camcorder recording on Photobucket isnt a good playback medium?! who'd a thunk it,lol The pillars turned out real good SQ.
I can see where that CD covers so many parts of the audio spectrum and system setup. Dont know what I was expecting to hear, but I didnt envision that.
Now how do they judge though? Is it a combination of metered measurement and judge discretion or is it all one or the other. Know what I'm asking?

[sqcomp]

They judge SQ on tonal accuracy (basically, does the instrument sound like it's supposed to?)

spectral balance (does said instrument sound right with the other instruments playing on all the other frequency ranges?)

Sound stage (width, height, positioning, depth, and ambiance)

Imaging (are the tracks played correctly placed on the sound stage)

sound linearity (how well does the system perform at low, moderate, and high output levels)

absence of noise (mechanical, floor noise, external mechanical noise, alternator whine)

ergonomics (how well does the system operate and flow in it's design)

Now, those pillars you notice above are Derick's...not mine. Notice how well he snugged his Mid ranges into the pillar? That's fun!

The next step for me on my setup will be more in depth. I'm talking reconstructing the dash area completely. You wouldn't even be able to see the speakers that are on the A-pillars. They'll actually be out in the engine bay :evil: :eyebulge:

Yes, in the engine bay. I will have to have another car before I start that project...and the room to take the Yaris down to buld on that level. I have the knowledge thanks to Scott Buwalda. I'm in the pre-planning stage at this point.

[sickpuppy1]

Wow! That sounds very intense! I already have several questions, But I'll wait till the build starts,lol
Duh, yeah, that does make sense doesnt it. Dericks photos in dericks post........

[sqcomp]

I say ask away regardless of what and where the build is...

[derickveliz2]

D! Those pillars are secksi!

:thumbup:

Thanks!


Just click on the links:

LINK 1 (http://youtu.be/M9dOl5Du2Gg)

LINK 2 (http://youtu.be/5nc5E6Z1WLU)


I'm sorry quality is so bad )o: but give you an idea of the a-pillars !

(o:

[derickveliz2]

Next weekend for New-England enthusiasts!!!

Northeast Mega-Meet-Saturday and Sunday August 13th & 14th 2011 in Oakham Ma

LINK for more info. (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/12-volt-events-team-diyma/107540-northeast-mega-meet-saturday-sunday-august-13th-14th-2011-oakham-ma.html)

D.

[Lil Abner]

D! Those pillars are secksi!

Here's something fun for you:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/th_CIMG2875.jpg (http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/?action=view&current=CIMG2875.mp4)

It isn't an accurate representation of the actual sound. The vocals are NOT echoey inside the car at all. That is the mono mic on the camera reacting to the two sides' wavelengths and all the reflections in the vehicle. There is actually bass as well, you can sort of hear the sound fade in and out...that's the bass hitting and overloading the little handheld camera mic. You also don't get left and right separation and at the end with that explosion, on this camera, you hear almost a digital report...it's the camera and NOT the system. Also, the background noise (hiss)? That's the camera as well. The only noise one could maybe remotely hear *might* be the CD transport. Other than that, the system is dead quiet in person.

I also kept the lights off so that you wouldn't see anything to distract you. It's just the IASCA SQ judge in me not wanting to bias anyone. :thumbup:

That opener sounds like the opener on the TELARC Time Warp CD. What other tracks are they currently using?

[Lil Abner]

And the pictures... (sorry I didn't have my SLR so point and shoot for now)

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/3e6876b9.jpg


Awesome pillars!!

[sqcomp]

@ Lil - That's Don Dorsey's, "Ascent". I do believe it is on the Time Warp CD...I have it in my car.

I'll get the track listing soon. You'll have to excuse my succinct answers...I was told by my chain of command today that I'd be attending the Soldier of the Year board for our Brigade. I have 13 hours until I go in front of the board.

I'm a little miffed. less than 24 hours to prep for the SOtY board. Great. Everyone else knew over a month ago...

[derickveliz2]

You'll have to excuse my succinct answers...I was told by my chain of command today that I'd be attending the Soldier of the Year board for our Brigade. I have 13 hours until I go in front of the board.

I'm a little miffed. less than 24 hours to prep for the SOtY board. Great. Everyone else knew over a month ago...

AWESOME!

D.

[derickveliz2]

I was searching for some photos and I found this... good memories!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HxtGWBhQcCI/TkC5A5I4QQI/AAAAAAAAjGU/LoNwVs7s8ms/s1024/KICK.JPG



13 years ago, I did have a small idea...

10" woofer in a band pass box for lows

2 8" woofers in sealed boxes for midbass

3.5" Mids

and Tweeters not shown...

Even a year ago I had no idea about Time Alignment, Image, etc


"what a difference"



D.

[derickveliz2]

Awesome pillars!!

Thanks Lil Abner!

I feel proud of my self! the more I stare at them,,, the more I can't believe I did them!

D.

[Lil Abner]

I'll get the track listing soon. You'll have to excuse my succinct answers...I was told by my chain of command today that I'd be attending the Soldier of the Year board for our Brigade. I have 13 hours until I go in front of the board.

I'm a little miffed. less than 24 hours to prep for the SOtY board. Great. Everyone else knew over a month ago...

Yeah, that's awesome man!

[sqcomp]

@ D - you know that you always have me out on the other coast for ideas. I want to help in your quest for great sound.

[derickveliz2]

@ D - you know that you always have me out on the other coast for ideas. I want to help in your quest for great sound.

Thanks my friend!

I know I have a very good SQfriend! :thumbsup:

this is only the beginning.

D.

[derickveliz2]

2 a.m. and I just finished installing the IDQ700.2

It's working, turn on and I get music from my 6.5 inch Hifonic Zeus components. (if these sound good, I can't wait to put the HAT L6s)

I can't tell how loud they play now, everybody sleeping, just got it to volume 1, to make sure it's working.

We'll see tomorrow.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/A-Pillars%20v2/066b47e2.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/DSC_9259.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/L6/561a93ac.jpg

(o:

D.

[derickveliz2]

Why I didn't get this Amp before!!!

:thumbup: :thumbsup: :thumbup:

D.

[sqcomp]

simple answer...

Because you didn't know about it AND you didn't want to afford it.

Truth.

[derickveliz2]

simple answer...

Because you didn't know about it AND you didn't want to afford it.

Truth.

I agree, I'm not going to disagree with that,

it's just fantastic!

Now, let's try to put the L6's in the doors and see what happens!

D.

[sqcomp]

The important thing is to keep asking questions.

[derickveliz2]

The important thing is to keep asking questions.

Ok!

here I go:

-Where and how do I plug in this little guys for the amps?

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/0d3be961.jpg


D.

[derickveliz2]

My little giant is here! "HAT I6SW"


http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/1ff5fddb.jpg


http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/9bde7646.jpg


http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/cdbdc241.jpg


http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/40cf873d.jpg


http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/6f97c95b.jpg


http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/c78ef95a.jpg


http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/76a3e893.jpg

This is what a BOSE sub-woofer should look like!

D.

[sqcomp]

How many amplifiers are you using in your system? We also need to work on a neat enclosure for the I6SW...

[derickveliz2]

How many amplifiers are you using in your system? We also need to work on a neat enclosure for the I6SW...

Only 2 :redface:

1.-Power Bass 5 channels (Tweeters, Mids, Sub) :biggrin:

2.-IDQ700.2 2 channels (Lows) :biggrin:


D.

[derickveliz2]

A general question for every one...

Can I put the sub facing down into the carpet when using a ported box, (port facing to the side)

D.

[sqcomp]

The deck should be able to turn on two amplifiers...

The relays...you're using them to turn on the amplifiers?

Yes, you can aim the woofer into the carpet. Just make sure you're giving the woofer enough room to move. Now, tell me what your resonant frequency for the caq is?

[derickveliz2]

The deck should be able to turn on two amplifiers...

The relays...you're using them to turn on the amplifiers?

Yes, you can aim the woofer into the carpet. Just make sure you're giving the woofer enough room to move. Now, tell me what your resonant frequency for the caq is?

Some time ago I mention that a small 'pop' from speakers
when turning on/off the HU, you suggested a relay
for the amp, I got these from Adam/Jim to prevent
the pop issue.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Now, tell me what your resonant frequency for the caq is?

OK, now talk to me in plain English! what does that mean? :iono:

D.

[derickveliz2]

I made a model (mock-up) of the subwoofer enclosure, pictures tonight!

D.

[sqcomp]

Do an spl sweep of your car, what's the loudest frequency?

[derickveliz2]

Do an spl sweep of your car, what's the loudest frequency?

Ok, I will :wink:


D.

[derickveliz2]

Designing the enclosure for the I6SW:

Ok, space required 0.35 cubic feet = 9.9 liters lets call it 10 liters

So I got some pop-corn and filled a couple of bags with 10 litters of pop-corn and ready to go:

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/e60af509.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/6ed4252e.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/cd85e986.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/0ce727f3.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/070e90ae.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/ce8c155e.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/57ec2e0c.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/7d2e4be2.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/9ab2af59.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/9fae9081.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

remember to give the woofer some room for excursion...

[derickveliz2]

remember to give the woofer some room for excursion...

Don't worry, I'm aware about that!

I wanted to see the woofer in the original designs but for many reasons will go facing down. I'm providing extra space for the cone to "move" (o:

D.

[derickveliz2]

Do an spl sweep of your car, what's the loudest frequency?

Ok,
here is my way of describing it:

10hz nothing just a low humble :confused:

20hz my ears hurt and a bigger humble :frown:

30hz my ears hurt and gets louder :eek:

40hz really loud and my hair tickles! :eyebulge:

50hz calms down and not as loud but doors start to reverberate. :frown:

60hz not as loud as 50hz but everything vibrates :redface:

70hz it just keeps smoothing more and more.... :w00t:


So I guess some where around 40hz it's the loudest!

D.

[TOLMACH]

Ok,
here is my way of describing it:

10hz nothing just a low humble :confused:

20hz my ears hurt and a bigger humble :frown:

30hz my ears hurt and gets louder :eek:

40hz really loud and my hair tickles! :eyebulge:

50hz calms down and not as loud but doors start to reverberate. :frown:

60hz not as loud as 50hz but everything vibrates :redface:

70hz it just keeps smoothing more and more.... :w00t:


So I guess some where around 40hz it's the loudest!

D.

lucky you

[sickpuppy1]

Why would you face it down into the carpet, vs facing up into the cabin? I realize there's a protective/ hidden factor, just seems it would muffle the sound badly?

[derickveliz2]

lucky you

why? :iono:

D.

[derickveliz2]

Why would you face it down into the carpet, vs facing up into the cabin? I realize there's a protective/ hidden factor, just seems it would muffle the sound badly?

Besides many factors like protective, away from heat vent, easier installation, etc. It's a ported box so all the bass will come out of the 2" vent that will face towards the fire wall!

D.

[derickveliz2]

I'm waiting for the 2" port...

https://www.madisound.com/store/images/madisound/product/2FLARE.jpg

From Precision Sound Products (http://www.psp-inc.com/index.html)

http://www.psp-inc.com/Graphics/home_page_pix.png


I also need to get a 2" PVC-90 degrees elbow, from Lowes, the port needs to be almost 16" long.

D.

[derickveliz2]

OK, 2 a.m. again

Tape night! there is something about this that I have no patience...

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/90695176.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/536b6c22.jpg

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/40c9ebdc.jpg




So the floor is not flat, there are some curves and bumps, to mold the cardboard I spray cleaner to the back and then let it sit with lots of weights on top, a day under the sun and will evaporate the liquid and hopefully the cardboard will hold it's shape. (and stay clean lol)

Next would be start glazing!

Any clues about integrating MLV to the subwoofer enclosure build up? or I'm just acting stupid?

D.

[sqcomp]

Sorry bro...I was up in Canada this last weekend winning! Apparently, IASCA has me as the best sounding vehicle in the Pacific Northwest region in my class. I won a 1st place showing with a score of 225 in SQc Amateur division. It was a regional championship event, the Western Canadian Finals. It was a 3x registered event for IASCA. This means that I can compete at SBN in Daytona Beach Florida with the car and go for a World Championship.

...Alas, I don't have the time or the money to take my car all the way across the country and back for a two day event...

I can still take solice that without proving any more, I have the best sounding Amateur class vehicle in the region this year.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/301279_10150266302154773_741244772_7633317_5319473 _n1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/329613_10150266302844773_741244772_7633333_3949423 _o.jpg

[sqcomp]

Now, to you Derick.

Why don't you simply glass the floor? You've got everything taped...

Also to those who don't understand about the aiming of the woofer, as with mine:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/photo3-6.jpg

The sound is omnidirectional. That being said, there is a feeling difference between a standard forward or up-firing woofer and one that is downfiring. I feel my bass a LOT lower...pretty much from the bottom of the seat and through the body of the car.

The MLV IMHO should be applied to the inside of the enclosure once it's formed.

Also, D...I'm thinking that our resonant frequency is at 42 Hz. See if you can find a 42 Hz tone and run it through. You now combine that frequency and combine it with the tuning frequency for your enclosure of, oh let's say 38 Hz. Then that extends the response of the enclosure to fit your vehicle's response more accurately.

[sickpuppy1]

I realize what your saying about bass being omni directional, that makes sense. What I was thinking of was the amount of volume from a smaller speaker hes using. Course I also realize the enclosure it's in will affect it just as much. But you feel the sound from the back of the speaker will do as well as what comes out front? Thinking of it going into carpet vs what enclosure under your trunk mounted set up.

[derickveliz2]

I won a 1st place showing with a score of 225 in SQc Amateur division. I can compete at SBN in Daytona Beach Florida with the car and go for a World Championship.

...Alas, I don't have the time or the money to take my car all the way across the country and back for a two day event...

I can still take solice that without proving any more, I have the best sounding Amateur class vehicle in the region this year.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/301279_10150266302154773_741244772_7633317_5319473 _n1.jpg


Congratulations!!!, I can see (feel) how you end up in 1st place, I'm very happy for you.

Now you know why I don't compete! it's just too much of a commute for me, jeje LOL


D.

[sqcomp]

@ sick,

I do get what you're saying. What I wouldn't do would be to put both the woofer AND the port facing down. I'd actually aim the port up into the dash or at the firewall.

@ Derick,

Keep your pillars the way they are now. Let me do the R&D. If I get an improvement with the left side width, I'll let you know what I did so IF you want, you can do the same type of thing. I'm looking at making waveguide-type panels for my tweeters right now as well as moving the mids deeper towards the windsheild.

The closest IASCA competition for you would probably be in South Carolina or up in Canada (this weekend). I ultimately think that you should give it a try at least once. Let me know if you ever decide to take a weekend and go to one, most likely I'll know one of the Team Hybrids guys there so they can take you under their wing.

[derickveliz2]

Now, to you Derick.

Why don't you simply glass the floor? You've got everything taped...

Also, D...I'm thinking that our resonant frequency is at 42 Hz. See if you can find a 42 Hz tone and run it through. You now combine that frequency and combine it with the tuning frequency for your enclosure of, oh let's say 38 Hz. Then that extends the response of the enclosure to fit your vehicle's response more accurately.

Yeah! I'm still in "thinking" mode, you know how designers work, think think think, then get it done. (sort of).

Yes, 38 Hz it's my target according to the enclosure Design Criteria...

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/IDQ/I6SW/a9daf105.jpg

D.

[derickveliz2]

@ Derick,

Keep your pillars the way they are now. Let me do the R&D. If I get an improvement with the left side width, I'll let you know what I did so IF you want, you can do the same type of thing. I'm looking at making waveguide-type panels for my tweeters right now as well as moving the mids deeper towards the windsheild.

The closest IASCA competition for you would probably be in South Carolina or up in Canada (this weekend). I ultimately think that you should give it a try at least once. Let me know if you ever decide to take a weekend and go to one, most likely I'll know one of the Team Hybrids guys there so they can take you under their wing.

Ok, do your R&D I'll wait (O:

I would love to have my set up go through IASCA's judges, I'm very curious to see where I'm!

D.

[derickveliz2]

I realize what your saying about bass being omni directional, that makes sense. What I was thinking of was the amount of volume from a smaller speaker hes using. Course I also realize the enclosure it's in will affect it just as much. But you feel the sound from the back of the speaker will do as well as what comes out front? Thinking of it going into carpet vs what enclosure under your trunk mounted set up.

2 different enclosures,

Sqcomp has a sealed enclosure with the woofer upsidedown, yes the back of the woofer is what creates the bass, it doesn't matter.

I'm doing a ported box (vented) and yes the back of the woofer is what produces the bass, but with a little help from the port, bass increases a little more and bass goes out through the vented port that will be facing towards the fire wall.

Here are a couple of diagrams with different types of enclosures:

http://www.termpro.com/whe/images/tpencl.gif

http://www.zoopedup.com/blogs/uploads/speaker%20sceme4.JPG

D.

[derickveliz2]

:eyebulge:
And why? I want the subwoofer in front....??? :confused: :iono: :confused:

This is why: when I have my IDQ12 in the trunk, my seat vibrates! :w00t: and at very low notes, it can be localized! (in the rear of course) :wub:

When I have my IDQ12 in front, my chest feels the bass, like it's coming from the Mids! payless sensation! :w00t: x 1,000,000


D.